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Democrats 2020

This primary election is a referendum on the professional/managerial class versus the working class, on whether the majority of Americans should submit to the wise stewardship of upwardly mobile technocrats who know what's best for them, or apply direct pressure on the political institutions that have failed them by banding together for each other's benefit. Sanders and AOC represent the latter strategy, and everyone else with a snowball's chance in hell at winning represents the former.

Which is why it always irks me when Sanders is painted as the pie-in-the-sky candidate, as he's the only one with an actual theory of change that has a shot at working. Even Warren, for all her laudable plans, has shown no indication that she's aware of the structural impediments that will stymie and compromise every last one of them. Sanders knows this landscape because he's fought against it his whole life, and he knows that a mobilized and politically active working class is the only force capable of extracting concessions from it, because consultants and psychology professors don't grind all of society to a fucking halt when they go on strike. Air traffic controllers and subway train drivers do.

It's by no means a sure thing that his strategy will work, but it's the only one with a chance of working. Unequivocally, without question, maintaining the existing reliance on doing politics behind closed doors rather than in public to rally support is a dead end. There is simply no scenario where it alters the trajectory we've been on for decades. The working class will hear the usual merit-based, means-tested bullshit that nibbles around the edges of the encroaching wave of further stagnation and disaster, and just tune out and hunker down like they always have to while rich people duke it out in boardrooms. Maybe that's inevitable no matter what happens, but there's no excuse for political nihilism now, when there's as clear and historic a way beyond that outcome as the Sanders movement. If it fails, it fails, but it only fails if you're either too afraid to support it or don't actually care about what it represents.
 
The " Newspaper that's been around for a very long time" is not rated very highly by the punters is it?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...s-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?r=US&IR=T

I didn't read your link but the NYTimes has picked up a huge number of new subscribers in the past few years, so I doubt you have a point. There are people who criticize the Times as being too conservative and others who criticize it as being too liberal. That probably means it's about as unbiased as journalism is capable of being. Plus, where else can you read such extensive world news as the Times? No where that I've ever seen. Of course, most Trumpers don't appreciate good journalism. For one things, you have to able to read on at least a 9th grade level to be able to understand the NYTimes. I doubt the poorly educated, aka Trump supporters, would even be able to read at that level. And since, a good percentage of Trumpers hate educated people, I can see why they would also hate the Times.

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According to this chart, NYT is just on the left side of the neutral area right under the BBC. The Wall Street Journal is further to the right than the Time is to the left.
 
The " Newspaper that's been around for a very long time" is not rated very highly by the punters is it?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...s-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?r=US&IR=T

I didn't read your link but the NYTimes has picked up a huge number of new subscribers in the past few years, so I doubt you have a point. There are people who criticize the Times as being too conservative and others who criticize it as being too liberal. That probably means it's about as unbiased as journalism is capable of being. Plus, where else can you read such extensive world news as the Times? No where that I've ever seen. Of course, most Trumpers don't appreciate good journalism. For one things, you have to able to read on at least a 9th grade level to be able to understand the NYTimes. I doubt the poorly educated, aka Trump supporters, would even be able to read at that level. And since, a good percentage of Trumpers hate educated people, I can see why they would also hate the Times.

So has the Right leaning Aussie newspaper the The Australian adding thousands. While most other newspapers here are shedding subscribers by the thousands annually.
 
According to this chart, NYT is just on the left side of the neutral area right under the BBC. The Wall Street Journal is further to the right than the Time is to the left.

I would agree with that. I subscribedto the WSJ one year, but didn't find it very interesting. I've been a NYT junkie for well over decade. I used to read it online when it was free. Apparently, I read so many articles that the Times gave me one free year when the Times started charing for online content. It's intelligent journalism with very little bias imo. The opinion writers come from both the right and the left, but the ones on the right have all spoken out against Trump. Most of the liberals aren't that far to the left, with a few exceptions. I really appreciate the excellent world news coverage. I know of no other source of news that does such an in-depth job of reporting what's happening all over the world. Yesterday, I read a long, sad article about Haiti, and it's near collapsed state. I like to know what's happening on other countries, and not just the US. I read some sources of news that are much further left and I also read WaPo which I think is more centrist than the Times. Did y'all hear that Trump has banned copies of either of those papers in the WH? So m much for free speech! The little toddler can't stand to have anything around that tells the truth about him.
 
Progressive Middle-Eastern on Twitter: "#BernieSquad!! Assemble @BernieSanders @ninaturner @AOC @IlhanMN @RashidaTlaib @davidsirota [MENTION=990]CO[/MENTION]rnelWest @KyleKulinski @RoKhanna @KillerMike @iamcardib @SusanSarandon @bern_identity @AbdulElSayed @fshakir @briebriejoy @keithellison @DrDooleyMD #Bernie2020 #NotMeUs #NoMiddleGround https://t.co/tOQtaa6x52" / Twitter

Progressive Middle-Eastern on Twitter: "This video is in response to trump shooting video. This one doesn’t have any form of violence showing. It shows the soul of Bernie’s campaign of not me us. Of multiracial coalition coming together and standing up to demand justice compassion and love. #Bernie2020 #NotMeUs" / Twitter

"Not me, us" - good slogan. Right-wingers may snicker at how collectivist it is, however.

WATCH: AOC to Endorse Bernie Sanders at New York City Rally - has several speeches. It had 23,000 people there, large by campaign-rally standards.

Filmmaker Michael Moore (5m) talked about Bernie Sanders being old enough to experience what many working-class people used to get, like good pensions, libraries open 7 days a week, etc. Also pointed out lots of things in bad health in addition to Bernie Sanders. Then stated his idea of democratic socialism: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." - the Preamble (Preface) of the US Constitution.

Carmen Yulín Cruz, Mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico (26m)

Nina Turner, BS Campaign Co-Chair (40 min) introduced several other people.

Tiffany Cabán (1h 1m) - she ran in the primary for Queens District Attorney, but lost by 60 votes out of more than 90,000 to Melinda Katz. TC was backed by AOC and MK by Joe Crowley, AOC's onetime opponent. She talked about growing up, how zip code determined destiny. She grew up in a crumbling, overpoliced neighborhood, and her parents sent her to a Catholic school that was a lengthy bus ride away. She saw how governments give resources to upper-middle-class and upper-class people and cops to lower-middle-class and lower-class people. Sort of like AOC and zip code determining one's destiny. She never considered running for office very likely.

But then she saw AOC win, and that inspired her to try. To decriminalize poverty, mental health, substance-use disorder, sex work, and to treat violence as a public-health issue. AOC won without the political establishment or big money from Wall Street and real-estate developers. When TC asked for AOC's endorsement, AOC did not ask how much money TC had raised or whether TC had run before. AOC asked if TC's neighbors were behind her, how many volunteers she had recruited, and how low her contributions were. Lots of small ones or a few big ones from rich people? In the final weekend, 1400 volunteers knocked on over 100,000 doors.
 
No worse than the leftists even less credible sources like the New York Times and " Grudian!"


:rolleyes: Right. The newspaper that has been around for a very long time and has won an unlimited number of awards for outstanding journalism is the one you call fake? :rolleyes:

People on the far right and the far left hate it because it's journalists don't make up shit to please one's ideology.

The " Newspaper that's been around for a very long time" is not rated very highly by the punters is it?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...s-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?r=US&IR=T

This represents the biases of the "punters", not the biases of the journalism.
 
According to this chart, NYT is just on the left side of the neutral area right under the BBC. The Wall Street Journal is further to the right than the Time is to the left.

I would agree with that. I subscribedto the WSJ one year, but didn't find it very interesting. I've been a NYT junkie for well over decade. I used to read it online when it was free. Apparently, I read so many articles that the Times gave me one free year when the Times started charing for online content. It's intelligent journalism with very little bias imo. The opinion writers come from both the right and the left, but the ones on the right have all spoken out against Trump. Most of the liberals aren't that far to the left, with a few exceptions. I really appreciate the excellent world news coverage. I know of no other source of news that does such an in-depth job of reporting what's happening all over the world. Yesterday, I read a long, sad article about Haiti, and it's near collapsed state. I like to know what's happening on other countries, and not just the US. I read some sources of news that are much further left and I also read WaPo which I think is more centrist than the Times. Did y'all hear that Trump has banned copies of either of those papers in the WH? So m much for free speech! The little toddler can't stand to have anything around that tells the truth about him.
If you're really interested in world news, getting a non-US centric perspective can be very enlightening. I recommend at least the BBC. Al-jazeera is pretty damn good most of the time as well. Both sources occasionally get some odd (mean very wrong factually) pieces, but I think that happens to almost all news sources.
 
The " Newspaper that's been around for a very long time" is not rated very highly by the punters is it?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...s-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?r=US&IR=T

This represents the biases of the "punters", not the biases of the journalism.
Also, angelo neglects to point out that every single 'news' source he tends to rely on (based on the links he's always posting here) are much worse, so...there's that.

Thanks for the link, angelo! :D
 
AOC (1h 13m) was introduced by TC, and she came onstage and hugged TC and started to speak. After thanking everybody, she went into her waitress experience working alongside lots of illegal immigrants who did a lot of work for very little money. She was resigned to feeling that one's worth depends on whatever one's employer decides to provide until she heard of Bernie Sanders and his message, that we have inherent value, and deserve healthcare, housing, education, and a living wage. She then described her personal history. She was born in "Boogie Down" - the Bronx - and her family lived in a small apartment. They fled north for better schools, but when she was 18, her father died of cancer. She noted that many people live only one accident from major disaster.

She notes that Planned Parenthood helped her mother with prenatal care, and CHIP medical insurance helped her in her childhood - and that Bernie Sanders pushes a single-payer system: "Medicare for All". She also talked about the pressure to be a corporate conformist in Congress and how BS has resisted that pressure. Also about how we need a working-class movement and a multiracial one. She credits BS with showing how a grassroots campaign for Congress was possible, one not dependent on big money or connections. She then introduced "tio" (uncle) Bernie. Though "abuelo" (grandfather) might also be appropriate.

Bernie Sanders himself (1h 33m) finally showed up and hugged AOC. He then thanked the others who spoke, including AOC herself with her remarkable rise to power. He talked about the grotesque imbalance of wealth that the US has. Also racial disparities. He proposed a $15/hr minimum wage and making it easier to join labor unions. Economic rights are human rights. Tuition-free public colleges, canceling student debt. If Wall Street can be bailed out, then why not ordinary people?

Then how much Americans spend on healthcare - twice as much as in most other industrialized nations. Also climate change and a Green New Deal. Then on a nearby electric powerplant right next to a public-housing development, something that AOC also mentioned - "environmental racism" like rerouting the DAPL from near Bismarck ND to near Standing Rock Reservation.

Housing as a human right - mass homelessness is unacceptable, as is paying a large fraction of one's income for housing. He proposes a national rent-control standard. Immigration reform - no horrible border camps. Gun control. Pro-choice about abortion.

Toward the end, he asks if people are willing to fight for people different from themselves or in different situations, like those who have paid off student debt being willing to help those with student debt, and born-here people for immigrants, and for future generations. He asks if one is willing to fight for "a government of compassion and justice and decency".
 
The " Newspaper that's been around for a very long time" is not rated very highly by the punters is it?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...s-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?r=US&IR=T

This represents the biases of the "punters", not the biases of the journalism.
Also, angelo neglects to point out that every single 'news' source he tends to rely on (based on the links he's always posting here) are much worse, so...there's that.

Thanks for the link, angelo! :D

I didn't think one could go as low as Al Jazeera and BBC for leftard biased news sources. Except for Pravda in the Soviet era perhaps!
 
My bet of a carton of beer that Killery will stand and most likely win the Dem nomination in 2020 still stands by the way!
 
From a little over a year ago: How the American left is rediscovering morality | US news | The Guardian
Sanders is not one to quote scripture, but he believes ethical imperative is the foundation of serious politics.

“It’s hard to imagine why anyone would be involved in politics if one didn’t have a moral sense of right and wrong, of justice and injustice,” Sanders told me by phone from Washington not long after he visited Kansas with Ocasio-Cortez.
His good friend AOC also cites moral imperatives.
“In a society that is materially and logistically and in every way capable of ensuring people are paid a dignified wage, have healthcare, have access to an education and opportunity – if that is materially possible,” she said, “I feel like we are morally compelled to make it so.”

Bernie Sanders:
When I asked him whether a moment during his upbringing revealed an ability to stand outside the established order, he recalled seeing boys torment smaller boys on the streets of Brooklyn.

“From an early age, I did not like bullies who were picking on kids who were unable to defend themselves,” he said.
But politics often requires awkward compromises.
“I can pick apart every vote that I cast which was a yes vote and tell you that there were things in it that I really, really disliked, without exception,” he said, citing his vote for the Affordable Care Act. “So the judgment there is, ‘Is this what I want? Is this my view of what the American healthcare system should be?’ The answer is no. Will this keep people alive who otherwise might die or become much sicker than they should? The answer is yes. In politics it is never black or white or as clean as you would like it to be.”

...
“To be very honest with you, it is not easy,” Sanders told me. “It’s not easy at all. I would be lying to you if I did not tell you that Washington is a very, very different environment in which to survive with decency. It is a phony environment. It’s an environment where people are very nice to you and then will do everything they can to undermine you. It is an environment where there is an enormous amount of ego. So it is a tough place in which to work, and it takes a toll on me.”

Sanders encouraged budding representatives to “find colleagues who share a common sense of justice and those with you in the fight” and make frequent visits with earnest activists. He had just left a visit with Vermont youth involved in an ACLU immigration effort.

“It strengthens me,” he said. “It makes me feel much more human, talking to these idealistic young kids who are trying to do the right thing.”
Do any of the other 2020 candidates do anything close to that? Hobnobbing with big-money donors isn't a substitute. That's why I distrust Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg - they are relatively young, and they have a record that's at least halfway good, but their snouts are too far in the trough of big money.
 
BS's good friend AOC is not likely to be a Presidential candidate any time soon -- if ever. But she sometimes says very thoughtful and insightful things.
While Sanders has surely seen it all behind closed doors in Washington, Ocasio-Cortez acknowledged what she doesn’t know as a first-time candidate.

“I can’t go in with a plan” for staying true, she said. “It’s one thing to say it’s so corrupt and compromised. But you don’t see the small ways in which that is so.”

She might re-read her favorite moral texts, she said, or try to visit her would-be constituents back in the boroughs more often than other representatives do. Running without corporate money set the right foundation for the path ahead, she said. Still, “you just don’t know until you get there. But you walk in with an intention and a commitment.”
That's remarkably thoughtful, and she seems like she'll be a good successor of BS in Congress.

She likes Keith Ellison (MN), Ro Khanna (CA), Pramila Jayapal (WA), and Raúl Grijalva (AZ), and since that article was written, she has gotten some more friends, Rashida Tlaib (MI), Ayanna Pressley (MA), and Ilhan Omar (MN). She likes Barbara Lee (CA) for being the only one to vote against invading Afghanistan. Fortunately, it has not been as costly for her career as it had been for Jeannette Rankin, the first woman ever elected to Congress. JR voted against entering WWI and WWII, and in both cases, she did not get elected to a term after that.

“I think they’re holding the candles,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “I hope to just be one more.”

College Students React To Bin Laden's Death : NPR (May 3, 2011) - likely AOC's first public statements about politics.

"Now that this (pause) villain has been slayed, questions like what are we doing may have less of an answer today than we did yesterday."

A bit later, "If we could all just take a moment to pause. Thank you."
 
Do any of the other 2020 candidates do anything close to that? Hobnobbing with big-money donors isn't a substitute. That's why I distrust Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg - they are relatively young, and they have a record that's at least halfway good, but their snouts are too far in the trough of big money.

At this point, I'm not even convinced that Pete wouldn't be better off running as a moderate Republican. He is unabashedly after big donor money, and it's having obvious effects on his campaign.
 
Do any of the other 2020 candidates do anything close to that? Hobnobbing with big-money donors isn't a substitute. That's why I distrust Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg - they are relatively young, and they have a record that's at least halfway good, but their snouts are too far in the trough of big money.
At this point, I'm not even convinced that Pete wouldn't be better off running as a moderate Republican. He is unabashedly after big donor money, and it's having obvious effects on his campaign.
He's said as much:
Buttigieg fires back after AOC’s fundraising dig, blasts far-left 'purity tests' | Fox News

What he responded to:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Small-dollar grassroots campaigns, aka what Buttegieg insults here as “pocket change,” out-fundraise him by millions.
Our nation’s leaders should be working to end the era of big money politics, not protect it.
& Beto’s gun policy isn’t “picking a fight,” it’s taking a stand." / Twitter

noting
Peter Hamby on Twitter: "Mayor Pete on Elizabeth Warren’s small donor strategy: “We're not going to beat Trump with pocket change”
Mayor Pete on his gun fight with Beto: “I get it. He needs to pick a fight in order to stay relevant"
And much more on today’s Good Luck America: [url]https://t.co/10uxr1fqph
https://t.co/Xy1sChbOeX" / Twitter[/url]

"What I’m saying is we can’t go into this fight against Donald Trump with one hand tied behind our back," he said, pointing out Trump and his supporters have raised $125 million. "They will pull out all of the stops to stay in power, and I think we have a responsibility to the country to make sure that we go into this fight as Democrats with everything that we've got and not unilaterally disarm it."

...
"I think that we have a chance to build an American majority around bold action, but it is the case that we could wreck that majority through purity tests," Buttigieg said. "Take the example of this Medicare question. I’m proposing Medicare for all who want it. It means we create a version of Medicare, everybody can get access to it, and if you want to keep your private plan we’re okay with that. I think that’s a better policy than kicking people off of their plan, but I also think that it’s something that more Americans can get behind.”
 
Building an "American majority" funded by a minority of rich Americans who dictate your policy positions, yes.

I'm constantly depressed by the fact that both Kamala's and Pete's parents were literally Marxist scholars, and their offspring turned out to be the definition of bourgeois (or in Kamala's case, what Marx would call a "class traitor").
 
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