Democrats 2020

[Jolly_Penguin]

No offense, but... I'm not sure she's an expert on that?

Looks like she recognizes the mistake she made in 2016 that cost her the election.

Doubtful. She's still going around pointing her finger at everyone but herself for it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

From NYT:

When an audience member asked about conditions in Gaza...Buttigieg began responding in Arabic.

The overwhelmingly white audience, largely unaware of what he said, broke into raucous applause.

The author doesn't even relate WHAT, exactly, Mayor Pete said about Gaza.

That's what makes it funny (and scary).

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Live political debates aren't won by facts, they are won by presentation and sound bites.

Just watch the current Democratic Party primary debates and you will see examples of this.

But Trump has such a limited quiver. By the time he's on stage with anyone he'll have already telegraphed his best lines, standard insults and name calling.
Everyone's had 4 years to predict and plan adaptively. Whethervvthey go toe to toe or treat him like a heckler, yhere's no reason to be caught by surprise by Trump.

Oh they will find a way. Wait and see.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

As demonstrated yesterday in Kentucky with Bevin's defeat, issues often are the difference between defeat and victory. Bevin was well hated for his past actions on not expanding medicare and other actions that rankled people for whom health care was an important issue.
Trump has supported attacking Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And destroying ACA. He has made lots of big, fat juicy quotes on the matter. That hacking into these important programs will be a project for 2021 after his re-election. A lot of Republican members of Congress seem to agree with this, notably Senator Joni Ernst, who suggests the GOP will want to do all of this behind closed doors, something pissing a lot of people off big time.

If all Trump has left is name calling (Pocahontas! Pocahontas!) Trump is doomed. And Trump's anti-intellectual backwardness in regards to science will be a problem also. There are big problems peole want solved, but Trump is obviously not going to be the one who is willing or capable of solving them. I suspect that will doom him more than anything else. On very important issues dear to many, Trump is a bust. And is too stupid to realize that.

 

[angelo]

Take note that this is for a single's cover...............For example, the average cost of private health insurance for a Basic Hospital plan for a single adult living in NSW is around $96.30 to $120.24 per month, while Extras only costs between $14.30 and $29.61 per month (October 2019).5 days ago

So there you go. You have what Americans want, UHC. And, btw, while I've not known of anyone how had to wait 2 years for a Knee replacement, I've known plenty of people who had to wait several months for that surgery. And, as boomer doctors retire, with or without UHC, I am afraid that waiting periods will get longer here for elective surgery. I'm not a fan of Medicare for All. I think there are better ways to transition to UHC, and the polls I've read reveal that far less than 50% of Americans support Medicare for All. I'd like to see us get our drug prices lowered and do something about the insane amount of fraud and abuse that is already present in the current Medicare system. But, I digress.

Don't forget that the Medicare levy of 2% on salaries still applies on top of those private health premiums, here in Australia at least.

 

[angelo]

As demonstrated yesterday in Kentucky with Bevin's defeat, issues often are the difference between defeat and victory. Bevin was well hated for his past actions on not expanding medicare and other actions that rankled people for whom health care was an important issue.
Trump has supported attacking Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And destroying ACA. He has made lots of big, fat juicy quotes on the matter. That hacking into these important programs will be a project for 2021 after his re-election. A lot of Republican members of Congress seem to agree with this, notably Senator Joni Ernst, who suggests the GOP will want to do all of this behind closed doors, something pissing a lot of people off big time.

If all Trump has left is name calling (Pocahontas! Pocahontas!) Trump is doomed. And Trump's anti-intellectual backwardness in regards to science will be a problem also. There are big problems peole want solved, but Trump is obviously not going to be the one who is willing or capable of solving them. I suspect that will doom him more than anything else. On very important issues dear to many, Trump is a bust. And is too stupid to realize that.

Not according to this article.............................................The Dems are living in la la land if they think turning sharp left will ensure them victory in 2020.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...mocrats-swing-state-biden-warren-sanders.html

 

[southernhybrid]

As demonstrated yesterday in Kentucky with Bevin's defeat, issues often are the difference between defeat and victory. Bevin was well hated for his past actions on not expanding medicare and other actions that rankled people for whom health care was an important issue.
Trump has supported attacking Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And destroying ACA. He has made lots of big, fat juicy quotes on the matter. That hacking into these important programs will be a project for 2021 after his re-election. A lot of Republican members of Congress seem to agree with this, notably Senator Joni Ernst, who suggests the GOP will want to do all of this behind closed doors, something pissing a lot of people off big time.

If all Trump has left is name calling (Pocahontas! Pocahontas!) Trump is doomed. And Trump's anti-intellectual backwardness in regards to science will be a problem also. There are big problems peole want solved, but Trump is obviously not going to be the one who is willing or capable of solving them. I suspect that will doom him more than anything else. On very important issues dear to many, Trump is a bust. And is too stupid to realize that.

Not according to this article.............................................The Dems are living in la la land if they think turning sharp left will ensure them victory in 2020.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...mocrats-swing-state-biden-warren-sanders.html

I'm not so sure after what happened in Kentucky and Virginia yesterday. I could be wrong, but I'm beginning to think it may not matter who the nominee ends up being. People are more motivated than usual to get rid of the nasty Republicans. The Republicans are losing the suburban voters who were once firmly in their camp. But, what would you know about that. You don't live here.

I prefer someone who is moderately left of center, but everyone I know who feels like I do is planning on voting for the nominee, regardless of how far left they are. Besides, most of us are smart enough to understand that a far left president is going to. have to track to the center if she or he is elected. Most of us realize that Trump is the most corrupt, inept president that we've ever had in the US. This will motivate those who don't vote regularly to get off their asses and vote. Of course, it's still a year from the election so none of us really know what will happen.

 

[PyramidHead]

Highly informative new ABC poll.

We were just talking about independents and moderates. Here's a breakdown of who they support between July and now, according to this poll. Notice anything?



Here is the trajectory of all the candidates against Trump since July. Notice anything?



Appealing to moderates, being "electable", and beating Trump do not require abandoning progressive principles in favor of centrist ones.

Also, a statistic about which voter populations are the most volatile:

But Democrats face their own fissures: Just over a third of 18- to 29-year-olds say they might sit out 2020 if Biden or Warren is the nominee, while 22 percent say the same of Sanders.

 

[Patooka]

Also, a statistic about which voter populations are the most volatile:

But Democrats face their own fissures: Just over a third of 18- to 29-year-olds say they might sit out 2020 if Biden or Warren is the nominee, while 22 percent say the same of Sanders.

Democrats can be their own worst enemy, sometimes.

 

[PyramidHead]

Recent Reuters data:



So now we've seen 3 polls that show (a) Sanders is the only candidate who is ahead in all the crucial states that went to Trump in 2016, (b) his platform is regarded as better than those of his rivals on every issue, and (c) independents prefer him over Biden and Warren. Combined with last night's wins for socialists in conservative Virginia (Lee Carter and Joshua Cole), the idea that winning in 2020 is somehow about appealing to moderates is nonsense.

 

[PyramidHead]

Also, a statistic about which voter populations are the most volatile:

But Democrats face their own fissures: Just over a third of 18- to 29-year-olds say they might sit out 2020 if Biden or Warren is the nominee, while 22 percent say the same of Sanders.

Democrats can be their own worst enemy, sometimes.

If you mean dull, uninspiring candidates who don't convince voters that their lives will improve if they vote for them are their own worst enemy, yes I absolutely agree

 

[southernhybrid]

Also, a statistic about which voter populations are the most volatile:

But Democrats face their own fissures: Just over a third of 18- to 29-year-olds say they might sit out 2020 if Biden or Warren is the nominee, while 22 percent say the same of Sanders.

Democrats can be their own worst enemy, sometimes.

Democrats are almost always their own worst enemies, but I tend to think that those who were stupid enough to sit out the last election or vote third party won't be so stupid again. Sure, some of them will, but most of them won't. I've voted for plenty of candidates that weren't my first choice because they were always better than the alternative.

After Trump, only a Democrat who is spiteful or stupid would refuse to vote in the next election because their favorite person didn't become the nominee. And, 18-29 year olds have a poor history of voting, regardless of party. I hope they will vote because I support the right of all adults to vote, but that age group has never decided elections. Statistically, older voters are the most reliable ones.

It's odd that swing voters like both Biden and Sanders. The one thing they have in common is that they are both old white guys. Warren's ideology is much closer to Sanders, but she's not liked by most swing voters. Gee. Could it be due to her gender? It sure looks like it.

The sad, but simple truth is that most people vote for the candidate they like, not the candidate's policies. A lot of people didn't like Hillary so they voted third party. I personally know quite a few of them. When I asked why they didn't vote for Clinton, the answer was always the same. "I don't like her."

Right now, the polls are all over the place and are probably meaningless. In fact, polls don't seem to be very accurate anymore because it's difficult to get a good sample of voters to even participate in polls these days.

 

[PyramidHead]

After Trump, only a Democrat who is spiteful or stupid would refuse to vote in the next election because their favorite person didn't become the nominee.

Or: someone for whom it has historically made zero difference whether someone like Trump or someone like Biden is President. Not everybody has the luxury to be politically engaged all the time; diagnosing and addressing this lack of engagement,unlike merely scolding it, may actually be productive.

Right now, the polls are all over the place and are probably meaningless. In fact, polls don't seem to be very accurate anymore because it's difficult to get a good sample of voters to even participate in polls these days.

 

[Politesse]

A millennial who has a land line and time to answer a poll questionaire is probably unemployed...

 

[lpetrich]

Rep. Ayanna Pressley now endorses Elizabeth Warren, unlike her friends AOC, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar, who endorse Bernie Sanders.

Ayanna Pressley endorses Warren in break with AOC, other allies - Vox
Ayanna Pressley Endorses Elizabeth Warren for President - The New York Times

Ayanna Pressley on Twitter: "Big structural change can’t wait. https://t.co/8Sanof9COD" / Twitter
Which got a response:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "@AyannaPressley " / Twitter
AOC also likes EW.

AP on EW in that video:

“I have seen Ms. Warren in small church basements and in packed gymnasiums,” Ms. Pressley said in the video. “And she is consistent. She never loses sight of the people.”

“You’ve all heard about the senator’s plans — but here’s the thing,” she added. “Her plans are about power: who has it, who refuses to let it go, and who deserves more of it.”

Is EW a favorite daughter for AP?

More from the NYT:

Representative Katie Porter of California endorsed Ms. Warren over her home-state legislator, Senator Kamala Harris of California. Mayor Jim Kenney of Philadelphia announced his support for Ms. Warren’s campaign last month, her first endorsement from a big-city mayor.

Ms. Warren also recently rolled out endorsements from two of the country’s most progressive district attorneys: Larry Krasner of Philadelphia and Rachael Rollins of Suffolk County in Massachusetts.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Democrats are almost always their own worst enemies, but I tend to think that those who were stupid enough to sit out the last election or vote third party won't be so stupid again. Sure, some of them will, but most of them won't. I've voted for plenty of candidates that weren't my first choice because they were always better than the alternative.

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The sad, but simple truth is that most people vote for the candidate they like, not the candidate's policies. A lot of people didn't like Hillary so they voted third party. I personally know quite a few of them. When I asked why they didn't vote for Clinton, the answer was always the same. "I don't like her."

Oh yea, I sure learned my lesson. Me voting for the Libertarian Party candidate in California is absolutely positively the reason Hillary didn't carry Pennsylvania.

Democrats need to own up to a few factors of their loss and figure out if they can have a candidate attractive enough to not make people want to sit out. Should people feel defiled after casting their vote?

A friend on Facebook posted that voting isn't about finding "Mr Right", the perfect one, it is more like taking public transit and taking the bus that gets you closer to your destination. The problem is, I see people saying "sure this bus is going in exactly the opposite direction, but this bus won't take me as far away from my destination as the other one will."

 

[angelo]

From my position Down Under, I read in the media that the US atm has strong growth, the lowest unemployment figures in 50 years. All this will be in the average punter's mind in the polling booth come 2020.

As Bill Clinton was quoted as saying: It's the economy stupid.

 

[southernhybrid]

A millennial who has a land line and time to answer a poll questionaire is probably unemployed...

These days polls aren't all based on land lines anymore. I received a call from a pollster before an election a few years ago. It was on my caller ID, but I didn't want to be bothered to answer, so I didn't, and I'm old. I have no idea who answers these polls these days. I don't think most of us want to be bothered.

 

[southernhybrid]

Democrats are almost always their own worst enemies, but I tend to think that those who were stupid enough to sit out the last election or vote third party won't be so stupid again. Sure, some of them will, but most of them won't. I've voted for plenty of candidates that weren't my first choice because they were always better than the alternative.

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The sad, but simple truth is that most people vote for the candidate they like, not the candidate's policies. A lot of people didn't like Hillary so they voted third party. I personally know quite a few of them. When I asked why they didn't vote for Clinton, the answer was always the same. "I don't like her."

Oh yea, I sure learned my lesson. Me voting for the Libertarian Party candidate in California is absolutely positively the reason Hillary didn't carry Pennsylvania.

Democrats need to own up to a few factors of their loss and figure out if they can have a candidate attractive enough to not make people want to sit out. Should people feel defiled after casting their vote?

A friend on Facebook posted that voting isn't about finding "Mr Right", the perfect one, it is more like taking public transit and taking the bus that gets you closer to your destination. The problem is, I see people saying "sure this bus is going in exactly the opposite direction, but this bus won't take me as far away from my destination as the other one will."

There will never, ever be a candidate who pleases most people. We have a two party system, so imo, a vote for a third party is just a wasted vote. I understand what you're saying. You voted. Good for you. But, your vote was meaningless since unless things change, there are only two candidates that have a chance of winning in a national election.

Of course, I disagree with anyone who believes that a moderate Democrat is as useless as a conservative Republican. Obama, who was left of center, was able to get health care going in the correct direction. Those of us who were perhaps a bit too idealistic believed that in time, the two parties would work out something to gradually improve the ACA. I have two family members who would have had no health insurance if it were not for the ACA. It was the starting point. It needs to be improved and expanded, and only a Democrat majority will do that, as the other party has made it very obvious that they have no intention of helping the average person have better access to health care.

 

[PyramidHead]

Democrats are almost always their own worst enemies, but I tend to think that those who were stupid enough to sit out the last election or vote third party won't be so stupid again. Sure, some of them will, but most of them won't. I've voted for plenty of candidates that weren't my first choice because they were always better than the alternative.

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The sad, but simple truth is that most people vote for the candidate they like, not the candidate's policies. A lot of people didn't like Hillary so they voted third party. I personally know quite a few of them. When I asked why they didn't vote for Clinton, the answer was always the same. "I don't like her."

Oh yea, I sure learned my lesson. Me voting for the Libertarian Party candidate in California is absolutely positively the reason Hillary didn't carry Pennsylvania.

Democrats need to own up to a few factors of their loss and figure out if they can have a candidate attractive enough to not make people want to sit out. Should people feel defiled after casting their vote?

A friend on Facebook posted that voting isn't about finding "Mr Right", the perfect one, it is more like taking public transit and taking the bus that gets you closer to your destination. The problem is, I see people saying "sure this bus is going in exactly the opposite direction, but this bus won't take me as far away from my destination as the other one will."

There will never, ever be a candidate who pleases most people.

Why is this relevant? Shouldn't someone vote for the candidate that pleases THEM, instead of the one they believe pleases the most other people?

We have a two party system, so imo, a vote for a third party is just a wasted vote. I understand what you're saying. You voted. Good for you. But, your vote was meaningless since unless things change, there are only two candidates that have a chance of winning in a national election.

How do things change, southernhybrid?