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Democrats 2020

Bernie Sanders came in first place for the first time since RealClearPolitics has tracked the 2020 field, dethroning Joe Biden.

26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.
Fuck the bernie bros. They aren't actually progressives. I'm not even sure why they would (theoretically, if one believes them) vote for Bernie.

The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.
 
Bernie Sanders came in first place for the first time since RealClearPolitics has tracked the 2020 field, dethroning Joe Biden.

26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.
Fuck the bernie bros. They aren't actually progressives. I'm not even sure why they would (theoretically, if one believes them) vote for Bernie.

The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

I don't see a conflict here in the least. The Bernie Bros would rather help Trump than vote for the lessor of two evils. I like the democratic party because for one, we can have a larger tent. Republicans have a smaller tent. They get mad at "rhinos". But they also come together and vote. Where we have some self described "bros" who whine and help the other side.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

I don't see a conflict here in the least. The Bernie Bros would rather help Trump than vote for the lessor of two evils. I like the democratic party because for one, we can have a larger tent. Republicans have a smaller tent. They get mad at "rhinos". But they also come together and vote. Where we have some self described "bros" who whine and help the other side.

Here is the conflict.:

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I actually agree, but it doesn't change anything, since you're giving me suggestions on how I should conduct myself with ideological opponents as if I had the free will to do otherwise.

Since I don't hold a narrow minded radical view, I can see the positives in something while not expecting it to meet all of my desires or goals.
What you are calling "a narrow minded radical view" is what I am calling "an ethical objection to something that is accepted as normal by liberals and centrists". It's not a matter of failing to see the right balance of positives and negatives in something, it's a matter of having the view that a particular policy or approach is so negative that no positives can outweigh it, or so positive that its negatives can be safely ignored. If it's really, truly the case that nobody should go without their basic needs being met, and almost everybody with a chance at power is satisfied with vast numbers of people going without their basic needs being met, the time for compromise is over. If it's actually very bad and evil to kill many innocent people to further the goals of big business, then there is no silver lining to look for in any candidate whose platform contains or apologizes for that. None. The proper response to egregious violations of the foundational moral principles good people hold dear is righteous anger, not docile and strategic posturing.

I have no idea why you think that compromise is always between the center and the right. Maybe we have different definitions of what the center and the right mean.
That's definitely true.

Compromise is simply taking the other group or person's views into consideration when achieving something. If the entire country was far left and left of center, then compromise would be between those two factions. If the entire country was center right and far right, those two groups would need to compromise. Our country is all over the place with far right and far left groups not wanting to compromise. But, if you take a far right and a far left group who want to accomplish a goal, the solution is likely to be in the center. Otherwise, we stay stagnant and accomplish nothing.
No. The side that should win is the one that has good and rational ideas that don't treat people like chattel slaves or cannon fodder; having a difference of opinion on those basic matters of human value isn't something that needs to be taken into consideration by anyone who is serious about what they believe. Time and time again, we have reached across the aisle to accommodate these ghouls, who have used the opportunity to slide further and further into a proto-fascist cult while vociferously opposing everything to the left of Nixon. That's never accomplished anything durable. Social, civil, and economic change has always happened as a result of radical action from masses of fed up people. Every time, they were characterized as wild-eyed extremists. Every time, half-measures were pushed forward by centrists as realistic, practical steps to whatever was being demanded (an end to slavery, the right of women to vote, etc.), not seeing the moral gravity of the situation; if they did, they would know that nobody with a conscience could abide anything less than the whole package. The right response, then and now, was to firmly repudiate the more liberal-minded slaveowners who had bright ideas to improve the living conditions of their slaves so they would be more comfortable, or the progressives who were willing to give women a vote that counted for half as much as a man's.

The reason you don't understand me is perhaps because you don't see anything in our current political climate that rises to this historic level of wrongness, and think I'm being hyperbolic to invoke them as examples. If you had a strong perspective about something like human freedom from endless work imposed by capital, or the rights of Palestinians not to be surrounded by an encroaching wave of ethnic cleansing, then you wouldn't see the point in finding a middle ground on these issues, and you would take offense to anybody who chided you for not being more open-minded.

Maybe you do have such an opinion about something like a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy; imagine if the prevailing debate in this country was between those who felt women who get abortions should be put to death and those who believed they should only serve time in prison. Would you be so even-handed about taking all the pros and cons of each position into account, when both represent a total distortion of what should actually be done? I doubt it. You would feel the need to constantly question both, and while the ones advocating for the death penalty were obviously more monstrous, you'd feel a special kind of frustration and scorn for their opponents advocating for prison, because the energy they spent opposing the first group--for what is clearly the wrong reasons--could be used so much more productively if they just stopped caring about meeting them halfway.

So, if you value having an open mind, you should consider the possibility that to the left of your position on the spectrum is a large, nuanced, and varied school of thought on society and how it is structured, and from this vantage point most of American politics seems like the debate about how severely to punish women who get abortions would probably seem to you. Something deep in the bedrock is lacking in someone who genuinely thinks we should settle for imprisonment of such women, and spends more time chiding the "absolutists" than fighting the death penalty advocates. In that case, it's the recognition that women have absolute and irrevocable autonomy over their bodies. In the case of the left versus the right, it comes down to how you feel about capitalism. What I meant by my comment about compromise is that the entirety of left-wing thinking flows from the desire to overthrow and replace capitalism with something else, yet all of the compromise that takes place in our society is among supporters of it. I don't see Clinton and Trump as equivalent, just as you wouldn't see the two factions of pro-lifers as equivalent, but I see liberals and conservatives as the left and right wing of the right wing, and I think my attitude towards both is reflective of the distance between both and where I'm coming from.

I think that it's extremely dangerous to assume that your position is the moral one and all other positions are immoral. Or you are the center, everyone else are the extremes. This kind of thinking often leads to dictatorships and/or cults.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

I don't see a conflict here in the least. The Bernie Bros would rather help Trump than vote for the lessor of two evils. I like the democratic party because for one, we can have a larger tent. Republicans have a smaller tent. They get mad at "rhinos". But they also come together and vote. Where we have some self described "bros" who whine and help the other side.

Here is the conflict.:

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I meant to see that I don't see any conflict between a person supporting Bernie in the primaries, but then not supporting the Bernie Bros.
 
Bernie Sanders came in first place for the first time since RealClearPolitics has tracked the 2020 field, dethroning Joe Biden.

26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.
Fuck the bernie bros. They aren't actually progressives. I'm not even sure why they would (theoretically, if one believes them) vote for Bernie.

The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?

 
Did you watch Jimmy Fallon's satirical rap on Bernie Sanders? This thread really needs some comic relief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD24oApjci8

And yeah, I did watch the Fox channel town hall with Bernie but later Fox said that Democrats shouldn't worry about coming on Fox because they would be sure the audience was made up of independents and Democrats, so I was not really impressed. Just watch the video and laugh. Laugher is what helps a lot of us make it through these difficult times.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?



Yes, I watched the Fox town hall. That is a big reason I am leaning towards Bernie.

Bernie Bros are specific people. To them, it's either Bernie or I'll fuck everything up. It's the same reaction as a toddler. Thus the immature monicker.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?



Yes, I watched the Fox town hall. That is a big reason I am leaning towards Bernie.

Bernie Bros are specific people. To them, it's either Bernie or I'll fuck everything up. It's the same reaction as a toddler. Thus the immature monicker.


I don't actually think the type of person you're describing exists in any substantial number.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?



The more logical conclusion to draw from that town hall is that the GOP/Russians are looking to "weaponize" Sanders again to drive the same wedge between Dems they exploited so well in 2016.
 
The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?



The more logical conclusion to draw from that town hall is that the GOP/Russians are looking to "weaponize" Sanders again to drive the same wedge between Dems they exploited so well in 2016.


Hmmm yes, very normal and logical conclusion to draw
 
The more logical conclusion to draw from that town hall is that the GOP/Russians are looking to "weaponize" Sanders again to drive the same wedge between Dems they exploited so well in 2016.

Hmmm yes, very normal and logical conclusion to draw

It is, actually. Why would Fox News give a flying fuck about promoting Bernie Sanders unless it were because he was so useful in causing a bitterly divisive civil war in our primaries in 2016 and they wish to continue to use him in that manner? Brainwashed Republicans now just suddenly want to vote for a commie Jew and Fox News has suddenly jettisoned its mandate and become not only an actual news organization, but a part of the "liberal" mainstream media?
 
The more logical conclusion to draw from that town hall is that the GOP/Russians are looking to "weaponize" Sanders again to drive the same wedge between Dems they exploited so well in 2016.

Hmmm yes, very normal and logical conclusion to draw

It is, actually. Why would Fox News give a flying fuck about promoting Bernie Sanders unless it were because he was so useful in causing a bitterly divisive civil war in our primaries in 2016 and they wish to continue to use him in that manner? Brainwashed Republicans now just suddenly want to vote for a commie Jew and Fox News has suddenly jettisoned its mandate and become not only an actual news organization, but a part of the "liberal" mainstream media?

Sen. Bernie Sanders, VT (2019, color)

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The Bernie bros really need to fuck off and die. They are the most immature, whiniest little bitches to come down the pike since Donald Trump himself.

And I'm saying that as I'm leaning towards voting for Bernie in the primary again.

Why does everybody assume that those 26% percent of Sanders supporters are "Bernie Bros" and not former Trump supporters who are now leaning toward Bernie's brand of anti-establishment politics?

Have you watched the Fox News town hall?



The more logical conclusion to draw from that town hall is that the GOP/Russians are looking to "weaponize" Sanders again to drive the same wedge between Dems they exploited so well in 2016.


I think you're giving the Russians miles too much credit. It's bound to swell their heads even more.
 
It is, actually. Why would Fox News give a flying fuck about promoting Bernie Sanders unless it were because he was so useful in causing a bitterly divisive civil war in our primaries in 2016 and they wish to continue to use him in that manner? Brainwashed Republicans now just suddenly want to vote for a commie Jew and Fox News has suddenly jettisoned its mandate and become not only an actual news organization, but a part of the "liberal" mainstream media?

Sen. Bernie Sanders, VT (2019, color)

Joy. You respond to a perfectly logical assessment of what actually occurred in the same idiotic manner Trump morons resort to; with picshures.
 
I can imagine the adds run by the GOP come election time. Americans, like most democracy, freedom loving rational middle class people world wide will in the end steer clear of extremists ideology such as that espoused by the present Democratic Party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...61983b7e0cd_story.html?utm_term=.6db54b1e27bf
What is in that article? It's paywalled. But its title seems to be "Trump Isn't The Biggest Threat To The Constitution. Democrats Are." Whatever that might be.
 
I can imagine the adds run by the GOP come election time. Americans, like most democracy, freedom loving rational middle class people world wide will in the end steer clear of extremists ideology such as that espoused by the present Democratic Party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...61983b7e0cd_story.html?utm_term=.6db54b1e27bf
What is in that article? It's paywalled. But its title seems to be "Trump Isn't The Biggest Threat To The Constitution. Democrats Are." Whatever that might be.
Right click, open in icognito window.

It's a BS article written by a GOP establishment hack. Not exactly unbiased opinion.
 
It is, actually. Why would Fox News give a flying fuck about promoting Bernie Sanders unless it were because he was so useful in causing a bitterly divisive civil war in our primaries in 2016 and they wish to continue to use him in that manner? Brainwashed Republicans now just suddenly want to vote for a commie Jew and Fox News has suddenly jettisoned its mandate and become not only an actual news organization, but a part of the "liberal" mainstream media?

Sen. Bernie Sanders, VT (2019, color)

Joy. You respond to a perfectly logical assessment of what actually occurred in the same idiotic manner Trump morons resort to; with picshures.

Yes, the totally logical assessment of a studio audience crowd loudly cheering Medicare for All when surveyed by Bret Baier is that they are all Matryoshka dolls piloted by radio signals from Saint Petersburg. It couldn't possibly be that a segment of Republicans vote the way they do because they hate liberal elites and appreciate a Democrat that rubs establishment politicians the wrong way. Democrats make so much noise about appealing to a broad base, but as soon as somebody does so by advocating for things that the ruling class don't want to provide, any cross-party support must be evidence of international espionage. Your goddamn frontrunner went into enemy territory and explained democratic socialism to a room full of Republicans and came out unscathed, with a viral video clip to boot. That's an accomplishment and your dismissal of it as a Bolshevik plot is transparent.

CNN's town hall was far, far more hostile to Sanders than Fox's was, with every Harvard failson coming out of the woodwork to demonstrate their knowledge of gulags, and he held his own there as well. The brains of liberal centrists are shattered by the fact that Bernie Sanders holds a commanding lead in many of the latest polls and has millions of supporters within the demographics that will soon be in charge of deciding the country's future. It just won't do to have someone not groomed by private fundraising dinners and shady consulting firms running the show; he's not even a Democrat, and what could be worse than that?!
 
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