DeSantis signs bill requiring FL students, professors to register political views with state

[laughing dog]

I think all pubic university employees and students should follow the lead of Michael Flynn and John Eastman and simply plead the 5th amendment to any question.

 

[Bomb#20]

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

Correctamundo!

 

[Bomb#20]

Not expelled. But "have financial aid reconsidered", have instructors lean on students,

That would get the school sued right quick.

or just close the institution entirely due to non-response.

That is of course a possible outcome if the legislature really wants to go nuclear over this, but that still won't have retroactively made any student register her political views with the state.

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[Ford]

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

Correctamundo!

So you agree then that this survey should be scrapped as inappropriate. Got it.

 

[Jarhyn]

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

Correctamundo!

And the point is that the state does not accept this answer. No response means no funding.

There's little difference from any normal person's perspective between expelling all the students or closing the school.

And the legislature and DeSantis have already been very vocal that they are on the railroad to nuclear-town.

This law is not even a threat so much as a promise to close any school that doesn't align with Desantis's fascistic views.

 

[bilby]

So your theory is that students who leave a survey question blank will be expelled? You're in la-la land. And your theory is that when the expelled students inevitably sue, the courts will rule in favor of the schools that expelled them over it? You're in the la-la land on the far side of regular la-la land.

The law requires the schools to survey. The survey will be meaningless without people answering the questions. The Governor is threatening funding over this. Nothing in the law indicates students can be expelled, but the schools are being compelled to make students answer the questions.

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

Why would the state pass legislation that is both unpopular and pointless?

They must have at least some inkling that this law will achieve something; What do you think they expect it to achieve?

It seems that either this is a really bad law because it outright enables fascism; Or it’s a really bad law because it slightly weakens the protections against future fascism, while having no counterbalancing benefits; Or, just possibly, it’s a really bad law because it has no effects whatsoever apart from an increase in pointless bureaucracy.

Whichever way, it’s a really bad law.

 

[Ford]

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

Correctamundo!

And the point is that the state does not accept this answer. No response means no funding.

There's little difference from any normal person's perspective between expelling all the students or closing the school.

And the legislature and DeSantis have already been very vocal that they are on the railroad to nuclear-town.

This law is not even a threat so much as a promise to close any school that doesn't align with Desantis's fascistic views.

It's a bit like the ruling allowing coaches to "lead" their players in prayer.

Is it required? No. The kids can choose to sit the middle of the field prayer ceremony out. But if one says "no thanks, coach," he gets pulled aside and the coach says "Johnny, you worked really hard to get to where you are, and you've got a lot of potential. Next week is the homecoming game, and there's gonna be scouts from all the big colleges watching. Be a shame if I started Tommy at quarterback for that game instead of you, wouldn't it?"

 

[Bomb#20]

Do you seriously think that the sole purpose of this survey is to <rest snipped>

Do you seriously think that pulling something out of your ass and asking people if they seriously think it is a serious contribution to a discussion? I didn't offer an opinion on the purpose of the survey and there is zero in my previous posts to suggest I think it's the asinine purpose you hypothesized.

I think all pubic university employees and students should follow the lead of Michael Flynn and John Eastman and simply plead the 5th amendment to any question.

That would be entertaining. But since none of the possible answers would be admission of criminality, that might not fly in the implausible scenario of a court trying to compel an answer. So I suspect a better answer would probably be to plead the Florida Constitution: “Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein.”

 

[bilby]

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It’s one thing to self-censor, but misquoting other posters is seriously fucking rude. If their posts breach the ToU, report them to the moderators; If not, either quote what they fucking said, or don’t fucking quote them at all.

It’s a great deal worse to misquote someone, than it is to quote them using a word you yourself would not choose to use (presumably for weird puritanical reasons that don’t align with the tone and regulations of the board).

 

[Bomb#20]

... but the schools are being compelled to make students answer the questions.

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students....

Well, from the law quoted above, the "school" isn't asking anything. The school are distributing surveys developed by the State Board of Education, which is a committee appointed by the Governor of Florida.

I.e., the schools are asking what they're told to ask. That counts as asking anything.

The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

Jebus, you can't be that naïve. This is a fishing expedition for data that they can manipulate and meddle with the schools.

Huh? How the devil does it being a fishing expedition conflict with what I said? Just because the governor doesn't like the survey results doesn't mean the school didn't do the survey as commanded.

 

[laughing dog]

Do you seriously think that the sole purpose of this survey is to <rest snipped>

Do you seriously think that pulling something out of your ass and asking people if they seriously think it is a serious contribution to a discussion? I didn't offer an opinion on the purpose of the survey and there is zero in my previous posts to suggest I think it's the asinine purpose you hypothesized.

I asked a serious question to see if your responses indicated a level of unforeseen naivete or outright ignorance in your responses. Any literate person could see you have no basis for your attack. Please try to restrain your unnecessary and boring moral outrage: it is both unbecoming and hypocritical. But is useful in avoiding answering a direct question.

I find it fascinating you concluded that my hypothesized purpose (that Desantis is actually worried about the representative of conservative and/or Christian thought was "asinine". It shows a real depth of ignorance on your part.

So, are you going to address my question or continue to incompetently and rudely play the court jester?

I think all pubic university employees and students should follow the lead of Michael Flynn and John Eastman and simply plead the 5th amendment to any question.

That would be entertaining. But since none of the possible answers would be admission of criminality, that might not fly in the implausible scenario of a court trying to compel an answer.

If you had been paying attention to the Jan. 6th hearings, both pleaded the 5th to questions that had nothing to do with criminality. Hence my observation,

So I suspect a better answer would probably be to plead the Florida Constitution: “Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein.”

That would be more entertaining.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So your theory is that students who leave a survey question blank will be expelled? You're in la-la land. And your theory is that when the expelled students inevitably sue, the courts will rule in favor of the schools that expelled them over it? You're in the la-la land on the far side of regular la-la land.

The law requires the schools to survey. The survey will be meaningless without people answering the questions. The Governor is threatening funding over this. Nothing in the law indicates students can be expelled, but the schools are being compelled to make students answer the questions.

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

But many student will answer the survey and do so honestly because they are a bunch of naive nineteen and twenty year olds who still think there is fairness in the world.
Next up: My employer values all my hard work.

 

[Bomb#20]

<more scatology deleted>

It’s one thing to self-censor, but misquoting other posters

I didn't misquote him; I correctly described something he said that I'd chosen to leave out. If you are suggesting that some reader could have taken that to be a claim that the previous poster literally wrote the words "more scatology deleted" in angle brackets, then (a) you have a remarkably dim view of our members' reading comprehension, and (b) I was once advised by a moderator that "<expletive deleted>" was an acceptable way to indicate the ungentlemanly words I was choosing not to repeat, when some mind-blowingly oversensitive snowflake raised a stink about my replacing them with something like "!@#$%".

(If your contention is that what I cut out did not in fact contain scatology, go read it again. It's post #14.)

is seriously <expletive deleted> rude. If their posts breach the ToU, report them to the moderators; If not, either quote what they <expletive deleted> said, or don’t <expletive deleted> quote them at all.

As you can plainly see from my response, you are not the boss of me. I will quote what I please from you and leave out whatever I do not wish to repeat. If you don't like that, go buy yourself a goddamn Xerox machine.

It’s a great deal worse to misquote someone, than it is to quote them using a word you yourself would not choose to use

It's also a great deal worse to falsely insinuate that I misquoted someone. Your opinion that failing to sign up to be somebody else's amplifier constitutes misquotation is detached from reality.

(presumably for weird puritanical reasons that don’t align with the tone and regulations of the board).

I'm sorry, but if the regulations of the board mandate a race to the bottom, no officer has pointed out to me the place where the TOU specify this.

 

[Bomb#20]

Do you seriously think that the sole purpose of this survey is to <rest snipped>

Do you seriously think that pulling something out of your ass and asking people if they seriously think it is a serious contribution to a discussion? I didn't offer an opinion on the purpose of the survey and there is zero in my previous posts to suggest I think it's the asinine purpose you hypothesized.

I asked a serious question

You did nothing of the sort. You asked a question on a level with "Do you seriously think the moon is made of cheese?". Don't insult our readers' intelligence by denying it. The record of what you said is there for all to see.

to see if your responses indicated a level of unforeseen naivete or outright ignorance in your responses. Any literate person could see you have no basis for your attack.

Any literate person can see you attacked me and I answered you appropriately.

Please try to restrain your unnecessary and boring moral outrage: it is both unbecoming and hypocritical. But is useful in avoiding answering a direct question.

I didn't avoid answering it. I called your hypothesis of what I thought "asinine". That's an answer. Deal with it.

I find it fascinating you concluded that my hypothesized purpose (that Desantis is actually worried about the representative of conservative and/or Christian thought was "asinine". It shows a real depth of ignorance on your part.

Oh for the love of god! What you wrote is there for all to see. It's post #20. The fact that you care so little about whether what you say about others is true that you can't even be bothered to fact-check before you post your false claims is also there for all to see. The purpose you hypothesized was "Desantis was worried about the lack of socialist, communist, satanist, Islamist or Jewish viewpoints", not "Desantis is actually worried about the representative of conservative and/or Christian thought".

So, are you going to address my question or <gratuitous insult deleted>

No, for the record, I do not think Desantis was worried about the lack of socialist, communist, satanist, Islamist or Jewish viewpoints.

So I suspect a better answer would probably be to plead the Florida Constitution: “Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein.”

That would be more entertaining.

True. Also more likely to convince a court to rule in the student's favor, in the event the school took some reprisal against a student for leaving a survey question blank, and the student sued.

 

[laughing dog]

Do you seriously think that the sole purpose of this survey is to <rest snipped>

Do you seriously think that pulling something out of your ass and asking people if they seriously think it is a serious contribution to a discussion? I didn't offer an opinion on the purpose of the survey and there is zero in my previous posts to suggest I think it's the asinine purpose you hypothesized.

I asked a serious question

You did nothing of the sort.....

Your bilious excuses for your problems with reading comprehension and your over-reaction are unnecessary. If you are not going to accept responsibility for your error, just dealt with it and move on. If you cannot move on, get therapy.

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No, for the record, I do not think Desantis was worried about the lack of socialist, communist, satanist, Islamist or Jewish viewpoints.

See, responding on point is not that hard.

So, what viewpoints do you think Gov. Desantis and the Florida legislature believe are possibly under-represented?

 

[Jarhyn]

So your theory is that students who leave a survey question blank will be expelled? You're in la-la land. And your theory is that when the expelled students inevitably sue, the courts will rule in favor of the schools that expelled them over it? You're in the la-la land on the far side of regular la-la land.

The law requires the schools to survey. The survey will be meaningless without people answering the questions. The Governor is threatening funding over this. Nothing in the law indicates students can be expelled, but the schools are being compelled to make students answer the questions.

That's ridiculous. The school will ask its students, say, "Which political party do you align with?" The survey results will be something like "53% Democrat, 28% Republican, 6% Other, 13% Decline to state". The school will submit that to the Board of Education. The Board of Education will file it somewhere and a bureaucrat will make a note that the school complied with the law.

The proper answer to "which political party do you align with?" is "that's none of your goddamned business, you useless sack of meat."

Nobody - not students, not administrators, not teachers, not staff - should feel the least bit compelled to answer a survey on personal political leanings. The state of Florida has no business even asking the question of these folks. Full stop.

But many student will answer the survey and do so honestly because they are a bunch of naive nineteen and twenty year olds who still think there is fairness in the world.
Next up: My employer values all my hard work.

Well some of them are. I think it's time to recognize that vague threats are still fucking threats and ought be tolerated even less than specific threats, and this whole law is a vague threat (pending an actual leverage) against whole institutions.

 

[Politesse]

But the right-wing devotes a lot of time to paranoid speculation about the Marxist takeover of the university system. What will they do with avalanches of raw data proving that Marxist views among university faculty are vanishingly rare?

 

[Arctish]

But the right-wing devotes a lot of time to paranoid speculation about the Marxist takeover of the university system. What will they do with avalanches of raw data proving that Marxist views among university faculty are vanishingly rare?

Cherry pick the results and double down on the virtue signaling.

 

[Patooka]

There is no indication in the bill to suggest that answering the state's questions will be compulsory.

So because it doesn't explicitly say it, it won't happen, right?

Spare me. The last few months have shown how little worth the word of Republicans is.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

This will be an invitation for smart assed students to get creative.

"Non-Marxist, anti-Republican, progressive Utiltarian".
"Anti-authoritarian super-patriot"
"Anarcho-syndicalist free peasant"