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TomC said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trump in 2020 himself.
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Or ever.
It's been years now. Still, there's nothing but talk and unsupported assertions. Talk of voter fraud, talk of evidence for voter fraud, but only talk.
No evidence.
Tom
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Oh yeah? Ask Swizzle or Vonse - they’ll tell you: THERE’S EVIDENCE!!
(They can’t tell you what it is, but they’ll swear it exists -“mountains of evidence” is the Party Line iirc)
 
Elixir said:
TomC said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trump in 2020 himself.
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Or ever.
It's been years now. Still, there's nothing but talk and unsupported assertions. Talk of voter fraud, talk of evidence for voter fraud, but only talk.
No evidence.
Tom
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Oh yeah? Ask Swizzle or Vonse - they’ll tell you: THERE’S EVIDENCE!!
(They can’t tell you what it is, but they’ll swear it exists -“mountains of evidence” is the Party Line iirc)
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And one more time, with feeling...

If there really was all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," there is no way in hell that the GOP would have slept on it. Think about it...you're the leader of the Republican Party, and late in 2020 (or even early 2021) someone comes to your office with rock-solid irrefutable evidence that the Democrats "stole" the election. What do you do?

You've got them dead to rights, and have the opportunity to not just re-litigate the election you just "lost," but utterly destroy your opposition for at least a generation...perhaps even forever. I don't know about y'all, but I'd blast that shit on every media outlet that would take it...and they would. File cases in every court in the land. Send the evidence in an email to every registered voter. Print a book and mail it to everyone as well. Make campaign ads and spend your entire budget on getting them on every channel you can think of. "The Democrats are the Party of Voter Fraud and here's the proof." Put out a documentary film. Sell it to every streaming outlet.

Because if you really had the proof, you could install yourself as the permanent majority party for at least a couple of decades. It would be the biggest political story in US history.

They didn't do any of that. Instead, the GOP settled meekly into minority party status. Yeah, there were a few who went on friendly cable shows and droned on about "irregularities" and candidates ran in 2022 on platforms claiming widespread fraud, but if they really had the goods, the 2022 election would have truly been a "red wave." Nancy Pelosi could not have been elected dog catcher in Berkeley.

This is how you know that they knew it was all bullshit.
 
63+ lawsuits by Trump. All failed. Lawsuits in Arizona. Failed. Lawsuits with no actionable facts. Despite the animalistic grunting of the right wingers, not a scrap of evidence that could be taken to court. Except for Dominion and Smartmatic suing Faux et al. Will these lying moroms be bellowing this crap 10 years from now?
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
63+ lawsuits by Trump. All failed. Lawsuits in Arizona. Failed. Lawsuits with no actionable facts. Despite the animalistic grunting of the right wingers, not a scrap of evidence that could be taken to court. Except for Dominion and Smartmatic suing Faux et al. Will these lying moroms be bellowing this crap 10 years from now?
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www.reuters.com

Trump, lawyers sanctioned nearly $1 million for 'political' lawsuit vs Clinton

A federal judge on Thursday ordered former U.S. President Donald Trump and his attorneys to pay more than $937,000 in sanctions for suing former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over claims the 2016 presidential election was rigged.
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Jan 19 (Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday ordered former U.S. President Donald Trump and his attorneys to pay more than $937,000 in sanctions for suing former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over claims the 2016 presidential election was rigged.

U.S. District Judge John Middlebrooks, who threw out Trump's lawsuit in September, said the sanctions were warranted because the former president had exhibited a pattern of misusing the courts to further his political agenda.


"This case should never have been brought. Its inadequacy as a legal claim was evident from the start. No reasonable lawyer would have filed it. Intended for a political purpose, none
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Ford said:

They didn't do any of that. Instead, the GOP settled meekly into minority party status. Yeah, there were a few who went on friendly cable shows and droned on about "irregularities" and candidates ran in 2022 on platforms claiming widespread fraud, but if they really had the goods, the 2022 election would have truly been a "red wave." Nancy Pelosi could not have been elected dog catcher in Berkeley.

This is how you know that they knew it was all bullshit.
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If they had really liked Trump they would have invented some evidence. Maybe even convinced some bipartisanally respected figure give a speech laying it all out.
 
Ford said:
If there really was all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," there is no way in hell that the GOP would have slept on it. Think about it...you're the leader of the Republican Party, and late in 2020 (or even early 2021) someone comes to your office with rock-solid irrefutable evidence that the Democrats "stole" the election. What do you do?
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Oh, but you misunderstand! There was massive voter fraud--one 800# guy cheated.
 
Fox News got caught lying. So it's telling its viewers everyone else lies more
Lately there’s been one story about Fox News after another that would be embarrassing if the network cared about anything but its audience of far right Republicans. If any other network was facing a $1.6 billion lawsuit that had revealed that it repeatedly aired what hosts and executives knew to be lies, and had then been revealed to have slipped a presidential campaign its opponent's unreleased ads, there would have been a major house-cleaning at that network. At Fox, not so much. The network isn’t even settling that $1.6 billion lawsuit brought by Dominion Voting Systems.
But it does seem like a message is creeping into Fox News coverage that might be a response to all this, an indirect way to instruct its credulous viewers on how to respond. The basic message is: “You’re going to be lied to anyway. You might as well be lied to by us.”

That was the theme of a Hannity segment Wednesday night. Here’s former Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway:
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Loren Pechtel said:
Ford said:
If there really was all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," there is no way in hell that the GOP would have slept on it. Think about it...you're the leader of the Republican Party, and late in 2020 (or even early 2021) someone comes to your office with rock-solid irrefutable evidence that the Democrats "stole" the election. What do you do?
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Oh, but you misunderstand! There was massive voter fraud--one 800# guy cheated.
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The story of Habius Corpus (how that right was passed into law in the Parliamentary legislation) is pretty funny.
The way they voted was to walk through either the Yes door or the No door to indicate their vote. The vote to pass what is now a basic human right in America only passed due to a bad joke. The vote would not have passed if counted correctly. One member of Parliament was a giant 600lb man who walked through the Yes door to vote "Yes"... the person counting votes, counted him 10 times, as a joke, about how large he was... .no one noticed they did that, and the vote passed by a slim margin, giving us the right to not be arrested for no reason and held indefinitely... because of a bad fat joke.
 
ZiprHead said:
Fox News got caught lying. So it's telling its viewers everyone else lies more
Lately there’s been one story about Fox News after another that would be embarrassing if the network cared about anything but its audience of far right Republicans. If any other network was facing a $1.6 billion lawsuit that had revealed that it repeatedly aired what hosts and executives knew to be lies, and had then been revealed to have slipped a presidential campaign its opponent's unreleased ads, there would have been a major house-cleaning at that network. At Fox, not so much. The network isn’t even settling that $1.6 billion lawsuit brought by Dominion Voting Systems.
But it does seem like a message is creeping into Fox News coverage that might be a response to all this, an indirect way to instruct its credulous viewers on how to respond. The basic message is: “You’re going to be lied to anyway. You might as well be lied to by us.”

That was the theme of a Hannity segment Wednesday night. Here’s former Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway:
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Yeah, that argument isn't going to work so well in court.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
ZiprHead said:
news.yahoo.com

Steve Bannon declares war on Fox News: 'You’ve disrespected Donald J. Trump long enough'

Steve Bannon, a former top adviser to Donald Trump, unloaded a torrent of attacks Friday at CPAC on Fox News and its leader, Rupert Murdoch.
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It's always refreshing when the attack dogs start eating each other. These folks would be right at home in Putinstan, plenty of windows and novichok for everyone.
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It will only be refreshing if they all mortally wound each other and there is nothing left of their war against reality.
 
Gun Nut said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Ford said:
If there really was all this evidence of "massive voter fraud," there is no way in hell that the GOP would have slept on it. Think about it...you're the leader of the Republican Party, and late in 2020 (or even early 2021) someone comes to your office with rock-solid irrefutable evidence that the Democrats "stole" the election. What do you do?
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Oh, but you misunderstand! There was massive voter fraud--one 800# guy cheated.
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The story of Habius Corpus (how that right was passed into law in the Parliamentary legislation) is pretty funny.
The way they voted was to walk through either the Yes door or the No door to indicate their vote. The vote to pass what is now a basic human right in America only passed due to a bad joke. The vote would not have passed if counted correctly. One member of Parliament was a giant 600lb man who walked through the Yes door to vote "Yes"... the person counting votes, counted him 10 times, as a joke, about how large he was... .no one noticed they did that, and the vote passed by a slim margin, giving us the right to not be arrested for no reason and held indefinitely... because of a bad fat joke.
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Yeah, nah.
Habeas Corpus was already a well established element of English Law for centuries before the 1679 Act, and:
A popular but likely untrue anecdote holds claims that the Act only passed because the votes in favour were miscounted as a joke.
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Wikipedia

Habeas Corpus as a part of English Law originated in 1166, and the failure of the 1679 Act would not have revoked the right, but would instead have failed to codify and define its limits as set out by the Act, leaving the right unchanged.

It seems unlikely that the US constitution would have failed to include the Article 1 references to the continuation of Habeas Corpus if the 1679 Act had not passed. And even less likely that the vote was indeed miscounted, even in jest.
 
I recently listened to an ex FOX news political analyst, Chris Stirewalt, explain FOX's philosophy.

The network says they can promote false news because it's free speech, and that it's good for business.
 
In Dominion v. Wackadoodle, defense argues
NPR Article said:
"We err on the side of speech because the more and more speech you have, the better chance of having people actually getting the opportunity to point out what's right and what's wrong," attorney Erin Murphy, one of the senior figures on Fox's defense team, tells NPR in an interview. "And that's why we don't suppress the speech that we don't think is right."
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But you used your platform to promote a false story. One you knew was "crazy", "nuts", and "ludicrous".

Fox News stands in legal peril. It says defamation loss would harm all media

No. It will harm irresponsible journalism. You cannot even claim a defense under the Neutral Reportage Doctrine. You pushed a lie because you were loosing viewers.
 
Does Fox News have the money to pay this off? Granted, there will be appeals, but really, they aren't flying dead stick, they already crashed and exploded. It is incredible that they have lawyers going onto NPR defending what they did as "free speech", when defamation isn't protected free speech. Worse yet, defamation is hard to prove... usually. Usually you don't have an endless supply of quotes and testimony proving defamation, like Dominion's lawyers have here.

That means this wasn't about free speech, as they knew it was all lies. They were defaming a company for ratings, because they didn't want to be outflanked by the newer and more radical OAN and Newsmax, where some Fox News viewers were heading because Fox News wasn't keeping up with the Fascist Jones.
 
Could Dominion seize Faux Noise in lieu of collecting vast sums of cash in partial payment? That would be funny. Lay off Fuckhead Carlson, Sean Insanity, the whole lot. Bring in new managment, new talent and rename it Progressive News. Smartmatic gets The Wall Street Journal. Fires the enture editorial staff.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Could Dominion seize Faux Noise in lieu of collecting vast sums of cash in partial payment? That would be funny. Lay off Fuckhead Carlson, Sean Insanity, the whole lot. Bring in new managment, new talent and rename it Progressive News. Smartmatic gets The Wall Street Journal. Fires the enture editorial staff.
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All good, except - don’t re-name it. Let all the credulous FOXwashed morons who have been fucking up this Country keep watching. They’re trained to believe whatever that channel spoonfeeds them, so within a year or do they’ll all be progressive voters.
 
TV and credit cards said:
In Dominion v. Wackadoodle, defense argues
"We err on the side of speech because the more and more speech you have, the better chance of having people actually getting the opportunity to point out what's right and what's wrong," attorney Erin Murphy, one of the senior figures on Fox's defense team, tells NPR in an interview. "And that's why we don't suppress the speech that we don't think is right."
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But it's also why we mustn't promote the speech that we know for certain is NOT right.
 
A large cache of new documents from the Dominion/Fox lawsuit will be released later today. I need to make a popcorn run.
 
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