"Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up." - GK Chesterton

[Trausti]

MS-13 is ‘taking over the school,’ one teen warned before she was killed

All but one of those arrested attended Brentwood, according to Suffolk County police. Three were unaccompanied minors who had been caught at the border and then placed in the community by a federal refugee program.

From New York to Virginia to Texas, schools in areas racked by MS-13 violence are now struggling with a sobering question. What to do when the gang isn’t just in your community, but in your classrooms?

For the past year, the Trump administration has waged a nationwide crackdown on MS-13. Nowhere has this effort been more intense than in Suffolk County, where police say the gang has committed 27 murders since a surge of unaccompanied minors began arriving in 2013.

"Refugees bring their problems with them" - Black Panther

Kayla, a basketball player from a Puerto Rican family, had first clashed with MS-13 two years earlier at Brentwood’s Freshman Center, where gang members spat on her, stole or broke her things and taunted her, according to her mother’s lawsuit.

Things escalated in summer school, when an MS-13 member threatened her with a knife, then continued to attend Brentwood High, the lawsuit says.

“She used to tell me, ‘Ma, they are taking over the school. It’s like they’re everywhere,’ ” said Evelyn Rodriguez, who has become the face of MS-13 victims.

Rodriguez said she and her daughter reported the bullying to school administrators, who promised the knife-wielding student wouldn’t be allowed back. But when Kayla, 16, who had exchanged online taunts with MS-13, showed up for classes that fall, he was still there, the lawsuit alleges.

After a confrontation at Brentwood, federal prosecutors say, MS-13 put a “greenlight” — or kill order — on Kayla, and members made a “throat slicing gesture” toward her at school, the lawsuit says.

A week later, she was walking home one evening with Nisa, a basketball teammate one day shy of her 16th birthday, when MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete[!!!] and baseball bats, according to prosecutors. The girls were beaten to death.

There are videos on the internet of how Central American gangs deal with rivals - including use of machetes. They make ISIS seem like humanitarians. But why would we want that shit here? These girls' deaths were 100% preventable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

MS-13 is ‘taking over the school,’ one teen warned before she was killed

All but one of those arrested attended Brentwood, according to Suffolk County police. Three were unaccompanied minors who had been caught at the border and then placed in the community by a federal refugee program.

From New York to Virginia to Texas, schools in areas racked by MS-13 violence are now struggling with a sobering question. What to do when the gang isn’t just in your community, but in your classrooms?

For the past year, the Trump administration has waged a nationwide crackdown on MS-13. Nowhere has this effort been more intense than in Suffolk County, where police say the gang has committed 27 murders since a surge of unaccompanied minors began arriving in 2013.

"Refugees bring their problems with them" - Black Panther

Kayla, a basketball player from a Puerto Rican family, had first clashed with MS-13 two years earlier at Brentwood’s Freshman Center, where gang members spat on her, stole or broke her things and taunted her, according to her mother’s lawsuit.

Things escalated in summer school, when an MS-13 member threatened her with a knife, then continued to attend Brentwood High, the lawsuit says.

“She used to tell me, ‘Ma, they are taking over the school. It’s like they’re everywhere,’ ” said Evelyn Rodriguez, who has become the face of MS-13 victims.

Rodriguez said she and her daughter reported the bullying to school administrators, who promised the knife-wielding student wouldn’t be allowed back. But when Kayla, 16, who had exchanged online taunts with MS-13, showed up for classes that fall, he was still there, the lawsuit alleges.

After a confrontation at Brentwood, federal prosecutors say, MS-13 put a “greenlight” — or kill order — on Kayla, and members made a “throat slicing gesture” toward her at school, the lawsuit says.

A week later, she was walking home one evening with Nisa, a basketball teammate one day shy of her 16th birthday, when MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete[!!!] and baseball bats, according to prosecutors. The girls were beaten to death.

There are videos on the internet of how Central American gangs deal with rivals - including use of machetes. They make ISIS seem like humanitarians. But why would we want that shit here? These girls' deaths were 100% preventable.

ISIS was way too radical for al Qaeda. Enough with the stupid shit. MS-13 is a very bad gang. Why it seems to be the worst thing to ever happen to America since 9/11, I'm not certain, other than right-wingers are using this shit to help propel their xenophobic crap.

 

[bilby]

MS-13 is ‘taking over the school,’ one teen warned before she was killed



"Refugees bring their problems with them" - Black Panther



There are videos on the internet of how Central American gangs deal with rivals - including use of machetes. They make ISIS seem like humanitarians. But why would we want that shit here? These girls' deaths were 100% preventable.

ISIS was way too radical for al Qaeda. Enough with the stupid shit. MS-13 is a very bad gang. Why it seems to be the worst thing to ever happen to America since 9/11, I'm not certain, other than right-wingers are using this shit to help propel their xenophobic crap.

America never had gangs like this before. Back in the good old days, the murdering low-lifes were all fine upstanding white men, who wore smart suits, and carried their machine guns in violin cases, like proper, decent, respectable, criminals.

 

[Patooka]

There are videos on the internet of how Central American gangs deal with rivals - including use of machetes. They make ISIS seem like humanitarians. But why would we want that shit here? These girls' deaths were 100% preventable.

umm...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-in-u-s-crackdown-on-ms-13-gang-idUSKBN1DG32Z

MS-13 was founded in Los Angeles in the 1980s in part to protect immigrants fleeing civil war in El Salvador and has since grown into a sprawling cross-border criminal organization.

Los Angeles is in El Salvador? I thought the US having a shitty education system was just a stereotype.

 

[Valjean]

Didn't MS 13 begin originate as the sons of refugees from an American puppet state that revolted against its American backed dictator? Weren't the refugees discriminated against and forced into gangs, then deported back to Central America to wreck havoc on the shattered, post war societies?

Didn't US foreign policy create MS13 just as it created ISIS?
Why are Americans always so surprised when their political chickens come home to roost?

 

[Derec]

Los Angeles is in El Salvador? I thought the US having a shitty education system was just a stereotype.

Who said that it was? It is a Central American gang because the bangers who are part of MS13 are Central Americans.

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Didn't MS 13 begin originate as the sons of refugees from an American puppet state that revolted against its American backed dictator? Weren't the refugees discriminated against and forced into gangs, then deported back to Central America to wreck havoc on the shattered, post war societies?

Didn't US foreign policy create MS13 just as it created ISIS?
Why are Americans always so surprised when their political chickens come home to roost?

Poor gangbangers, victims of those evil white people.

 

[ZiprHead]

Some gangs use machetes and baseball bats. Some use nerve agents.

 

[LordKiran]

Los Angeles is in El Salvador? I thought the US having a shitty education system was just a stereotype.

Who said that it was? It is a Central American gang because the bangers who are part of MS13 are Central Americans.

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Didn't MS 13 begin originate as the sons of refugees from an American puppet state that revolted against its American backed dictator? Weren't the refugees discriminated against and forced into gangs, then deported back to Central America to wreck havoc on the shattered, post war societies?

Didn't US foreign policy create MS13 just as it created ISIS?
Why are Americans always so surprised when their political chickens come home to roost?

Poor gangbangers, victims of those evil white people.

Pretty much actually. Not that i'd expect you to understand how consequences work.

 

[Derec]

Pretty much actually. Not that i'd expect you to understand how consequences work.

So basically you do not think people who abuse their "refugee" status for gang crime should not be deported.

And I understand how consequences work. When you let people into your country with no vetting just because they showed up om the border and claim to be "refugees" your country will face some very negative consequences, no matter if your country is Germany, Italy or US.

 

[LordKiran]

Pretty much actually. Not that i'd expect you to understand how consequences work.

So basically you do not think people who abuse their "refugee" status for gang crime should not be deported.

And I understand how consequences work. When you let people into your country with no vetting just because they showed up om the border and claim to be "refugees" your country will face some very negative consequences, no matter if your country is Germany, Italy or US.

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

 

[Derec]

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

In any case, we can't turn back time. Therefore we must act in the here and now. And if a supposed refugee engages in gang violence, they should be deported. And if people show up at the border claiming to be "refugees" they should be vetted before they are allowed in. That's just basic common sense.

 

[LordKiran]

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

In any case, we can't turn back time. Therefore we must act in the here and now. And if a supposed refugee engages in gang violence, they should be deported. And if people show up at the border claiming to be "refugees" they should be vetted before they are allowed in. That's just basic common sense.

Question:

Are you asking out of genuine curiosity or because you don't think I can give you an answer?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

In any case, we can't turn back time. Therefore we must act in the here and now. And if a supposed refugee engages in gang violence, they should be deported. And if people show up at the border claiming to be "refugees" they should be vetted before they are allowed in. That's just basic common sense.

Question:

Are you asking out of genuine curiosity or because you don't think I can give you an answer?

He apparently isn't aware of American interference in Central America... or specifically, in this case, the Salvadoran Civil War.

 

[LordKiran]

Question:

Are you asking out of genuine curiosity or because you don't think I can give you an answer?

He apparently isn't aware of American interference in Central America... or specifically, in this case, the Salvadoran Civil War.

I don't think it's a matter of whether or not he knows anything.

I don't think he asks questions to lead to an answer. Rather, he asks questions to create barriers between himself and 'admitting defeat.' I say this because it's in line with our past interactions and a common tactic he employs.

The question isn't meant to lead to an answer, its meant to keep the game going and that's not a game I have any interest in playing.

 

[Valjean]

Poor gangbangers, victims of those evil white people.

I'm not excusing criminals. I'm pointing out the US' complicity in creating them.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

Are you serious? You really don't know of the US' imperialist machinations in Central and South America?

 

[RavenSky]

Some gangs use machetes and baseball bats. Some use nerve agents.

Trump only comments about one of them, though.

 

[RavenSky]

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

In any case, we can't turn back time. Therefore we must act in the here and now. And if a supposed refugee engages in gang violence, they should be deported. And if people show up at the border claiming to be "refugees" they should be vetted before they are allowed in. That's just basic common sense.

Meanwhile, ICE is deporting law-abiding fathers and mothers rather than these gang-bangers.

 

[Elixir]

"Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up."

And when you find out it was put up due to unconstrained bigotry and xenophobia... then what? OK to take it down?

 

[Patooka]

I'm saying maybe don't create refugee-ism with piss poor foreign policy to begin with.

And how is US responsible for situation in El Salvador? Or Germany for situation in Syria or Afghanistan? Or Italy for Nigeria or Bangladesh?

In any case, we can't turn back time. Therefore we must act in the here and now. And if a supposed refugee engages in gang violence, they should be deported. And if people show up at the border claiming to be "refugees" they should be vetted before they are allowed in. That's just basic common sense.

Can't turn back time but rewriting history is a piece of piss I see.

 

[Bronzeage]

MS-13 is ‘taking over the school,’ one teen warned before she was killed

All but one of those arrested attended Brentwood, according to Suffolk County police. Three were unaccompanied minors who had been caught at the border and then placed in the community by a federal refugee program.

From New York to Virginia to Texas, schools in areas racked by MS-13 violence are now struggling with a sobering question. What to do when the gang isn’t just in your community, but in your classrooms?

For the past year, the Trump administration has waged a nationwide crackdown on MS-13. Nowhere has this effort been more intense than in Suffolk County, where police say the gang has committed 27 murders since a surge of unaccompanied minors began arriving in 2013.

"Refugees bring their problems with them" - Black Panther

Kayla, a basketball player from a Puerto Rican family, had first clashed with MS-13 two years earlier at Brentwood’s Freshman Center, where gang members spat on her, stole or broke her things and taunted her, according to her mother’s lawsuit.

Things escalated in summer school, when an MS-13 member threatened her with a knife, then continued to attend Brentwood High, the lawsuit says.

“She used to tell me, ‘Ma, they are taking over the school. It’s like they’re everywhere,’ ” said Evelyn Rodriguez, who has become the face of MS-13 victims.

Rodriguez said she and her daughter reported the bullying to school administrators, who promised the knife-wielding student wouldn’t be allowed back. But when Kayla, 16, who had exchanged online taunts with MS-13, showed up for classes that fall, he was still there, the lawsuit alleges.

After a confrontation at Brentwood, federal prosecutors say, MS-13 put a “greenlight” — or kill order — on Kayla, and members made a “throat slicing gesture” toward her at school, the lawsuit says.

A week later, she was walking home one evening with Nisa, a basketball teammate one day shy of her 16th birthday, when MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete[!!!] and baseball bats, according to prosecutors. The girls were beaten to death.

There are videos on the internet of how Central American gangs deal with rivals - including use of machetes. They make ISIS seem like humanitarians. But why would we want that shit here? These girls' deaths were 100% preventable.

So, a fence is gonna keep MS-13 out? What if it just keeps them in?