Drag Shows

[Oleg]

I, personally, find drag icky. But it isn't dangerous or anything.

But it's for adults, not children. Icky or not.

The problem l have with strip clubs is the sexualising and objectifing, not the boobs and dicks.

Right. Sexualizing children is wrong. Why would an adult want to do a sexualized dance in front of children?

 

[TomC]

But it's for adults, not children. Icky or not.

You state this like it's obvious or something.
Could you clarify why you think drag is only for adults?
Tom

 

[TomC]

@Oleg

I also consider sport hunting icky. I don't like any hunting, although I know it's part of reality.

That doesn't mean I think my b-i-l is wrong for taking his kids hunting at an early age. He's very big on gun safety.

I think he could do better, but....
Tom

 

[bilby]

But it's for adults, not children.

Oh no it isn't!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime_dame

 

[Jarhyn]

Why would a drag queen want to perform in front of children?

Why would a clown want to perform in front of children?

Why would a dancer want to perform in front of children?

Why would a storyteller want to perform in front of children?

...

That kind of rank sexism and sex essentialism is disgusting and disturbing.

A drag show is adult entertainment.

Why? Because YOU say it is?

I've seen cartoons that are adult entertainment... And cartoons for children.

Of course I've seen drag shows that are adult entertainment. And I have seen drag performances that are not.

Your essentialism is disappointing to say the least

Why would an adult want to do a sexual performance in front of children?

It's only sexual if sexual content is included. I've seen drag shows as simple as someone singing an innocuous song far more often than anything Ribald.

I have seen many performers put on a show for all ages (The Tortuga Twins, for example), and then put on that same show with a twist that was designed to embarrass parents foolish enough to bring kids into the mix.

A performance is not sexual unless the performer makes it sexual.

Equating clowns to sexual drag shows is ridiculous. But seriously, why do you want to sexualize children?

Equating sexualized drag shows with nonsexual drag shows reveals your bad faith.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why would a drag queen want to perform in front of children?

Why would a clown want to perform in front of children?

Why would a dancer want to perform in front of children?

Why would a storyteller want to perform in front of children?

...

That kind of rank sexism and sex essentialism is disgusting and disturbing.

A drag show is adult entertainment.

Why? Because YOU say it is?

I've seen cartoons that are adult entertainment... And cartoons for children.

Of course I've seen drag shows that are adult entertainment. And I have seen drag performances that are not.

Your essentialism is disappointing to say the least

Why would an adult want to do a sexual performance in front of children?

It's only sexual if sexual content is included. I've seen drag shows as simple as someone singing an innocuous song far more often than anything Ribald.

Or something as crude as ballet. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

Equating clowns to sexual drag shows is ridiculous. But seriously, why do you want to sexualize children?

Equating sexualized drag shows with nonsexual drag shows reveals your bad faith.

Oleg may only be familiar with one type of drag show. I'm not judging, I'm just saying, they may only have seen or attend one type and aren't aware that others exist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The problem l have with strip clubs is the sexualising and objectifing, not the boobs and dicks.

Right. Sexualizing children is wrong. Why would an adult want to do a sexualized dance in front of children?

If you think it is so wrong, why is it all you can think about?

I ponder the show Chicago. Would you object to a child watching it because of the adult content... or because one character is dressed in drag?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Yes, let's not sexualize children.

Amen to that.

And I'd put money those parents are church-going, god-fearing christians. Christians really hate themselves which is why they're constantly inventing new boogymen.

 

[TomC]

I ponder the show Chicago. Would you object to a child watching it because of the adult content... or because one character is dressed in drag?

Goes back much further.

Bugs Bunny had skits featuring Bugs in drag.

He'd pop up out of a hole, dressed as a hot girl. He'd say "What's up, doc?" Then shove a carrot in his mouth.

Ha ha ha!
Kids were allowed to watch that in the 60s!
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Christians really hate themselves which is why they're constantly inventing new boogymen.

I mean, if we're talking American Evangelicalism, isn't hatred of the self more or less doctrine for them? We are all irredeemable on our own merits and must be forced to either live moral lives via supernatural powers or not at all? Their idea of "good news" is that one does not have to be good to be saved, but it comes at the cost of believing that people can do or be good of their own accord.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Christians really hate themselves which is why they're constantly inventing new boogymen.

I mean, if we're talking American Evangelicalism, isn't hatred of the self more or less doctrine for them? We are all irredeemable on our own merits and must be forced to either live moral lives via supernatural powers or not at all? Their idea of "good news" is that one does not have to be good to be saved, but it comes at the cost of believing that people can do or be good of their own accord.

I've always viewed christianity as religious nihilism. But that's another conversation.

 

[Politesse]

Maybe it is. But I definitely think it shapes their positions on issues like this. Childhood, from an Evangelical standpoint, is a eternal war waged against the powers of darkness, and one that Satan is destined to essentially win. You cannot stand alone against His might. You cannot by your actions or teachings raise your child to be good. No one is good. The smallest thing could drag them off the path. You can only protect them long enough to be saved by magical means, by accepting baptism at the appropriate time and then sticking with it through adulthood. The fear isn't that any particular theater act will turn them into bad people; they're already bad people, who without God's guidance are fundamentally inclined to all manner of evil acts from cheating on taxes to bestial-clown-orgies to murder. The fear is that they will leave the church community and thus become endangered by "the world". If that proposition were rational, their response would be, because attending a drag show most certainly does challenge fidelity to this perversion they've made of the earthly church.

In other words, it's a Lovecraftian, not Campbellinian, reinterpretation of the faith. Encountering the world, crossing the limens of community safety, can only lead to darkness and madness. You don't want your kids meeting new people, or going on quests, or suggesting useful changes to the village management style. So a drag queen story hour cannot possibly be anything but a threat, as it did not originate from within the community. A double threat in fact - non-Christian books and gender freedom. Danger on every side and chaos beyond the gates.

 

[TSwizzle]

Why are so many of this type drawn to schools?

Students were allegedly threatened with suspension if they took pictures of their controversial transgender teacher who has size Z prosthetic breasts. Parents at the Halton School District, in Ontario, Canada, claimed some students were warned they would be suspended from classes if they continue filming and photographing Oakville Trafalgar High School shop teacher Kayla Lemieux. Lemieux made headlines earlier in the fall following widely circulated pictures of her in class with the massive prosthetics, as well as her trip skydiving with a porn star.

Daily Mail

A mystery indeed.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why are so many of this type drawn to schools?

So many? That'd be one. But I bet you could link to literally a couple dozen... which would still be just 24.

Man obsessed with transgender people, seems to see them everywhere.

 

[TomC]

A mystery indeed.

The real mystery, to me, is why you find big piles of steaming innuendo from The Daily Mail important.

Well, really it's not a mystery to me. You'll eat that stuff without questioning where it came from.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Man, I really wish Republicans would go this hard at pedophiles in churches. It's almost as if they forgot about those.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Maybe it is. But I definitely think it shapes their positions on issues like this. Childhood, from an Evangelical standpoint, is a eternal war waged against the powers of darkness, and one that Satan is destined to essentially win. You cannot stand alone against His might. You cannot by your actions or teachings raise your child to be good. No one is good. The smallest thing could drag them off the path. You can only protect them long enough to be saved by magical means, by accepting baptism at the appropriate time and then sticking with it through adulthood. The fear isn't that any particular theater act will turn them into bad people; they're already bad people, who without God's guidance are fundamentally inclined to all manner of evil acts from cheating on taxes to bestial-clown-orgies to murder. The fear is that they will leave the church community and thus become endangered by "the world". If that proposition were rational, their response would be, because attending a drag show most certainly does challenge fidelity to this perversion they've made of the earthly church.

In other words, it's a Lovecraftian, not Campbellinian, reinterpretation of the faith. Encountering the world, crossing the limens of community safety, can only lead to darkness and madness. You don't want your kids meeting new people, or going on quests, or suggesting useful changes to the village management style. So a drag queen story hour cannot possibly be anything but a threat, as it did not originate from within the community. A double threat in fact - non-Christian books and gender freedom. Danger on every side and chaos beyond the gates.

Great post. I think I should have said "paranoid religious nihilism."

 

[TomC]

Great post.

It's a great post if you're into massive derails.
Tom

 

[steve_bank]

Yes, let's not sexualize children.

Amen to that.

And I'd put money those parents are church-going, god-fearing christians. Christians really hate themselves which is why they're constantly inventing new boogymen.

Considering all that kids are exposed to today calling drag queens a threat to kids is laughable.

In some of the pictures of the Ramsey kid that got murdered in Colorado I thought she was dressed like a hooker. Heavy makeup.

Stating the obvious on the forum, a real threat to the mental health of kids is in a diverse culture raisimg them to fear or shun those who are different than they are.

 

[Politesse]

Great post.

It's a great post if you're into massive derails.
Tom

What about quippy one liners that contribute nothing at all?