Split Electric Vehicles (from Twitter idiot)

[Gospel]

Coasting is dangerous and stupid. Whether or not it's legal depends on your jurisdiction; But just because something isn't illegal doesn't imply that it's a good idea to do it.

It's not illegal to nail your testicles to the ceiling.

I remember long ago driving a Saab two stroke car that sounded like a small dirt bike, and would freewheel itself as a feature. You could feel it let go of the drive train, and there was a delay when you step on the gas again.

Right. I'm surprised no one understands the advantage or has done the maneuver. It's not dangerous at all. It makes perfect sense by removing drag. I've yet to drive an EV so maybe what Loren says makes sense. Supposedly the engine throttles down so the vehicle is still using minimal fuel. But it is still being held back by engine drag, at least for ICE vehicles.

Of course, on a steep enough descent no one wants to coast, you actually want the engine to slow you down, which it does. The FIT is wonderfully designed to downshift nicely to aid in braking.

Not sure about other EV's but in a Tesla you can turn off regenerative breaking and it will just coast with no interference from the motor. You can also turn on creep which causes the car to act like an ICE vehicle where you'd have to hold the break at a stop or else it will move forward without pressing the gas. No idea why anyone would want to do either because one peddle driving (when done right) means it's possible you'll never have to change the breaks.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I miss regenerative braking (or regenerative slowing/coasting in gear). It was the best anti-slip on a snowy downhill drive part of the Insight.

 

[Gospel]

A Tesla vehicle using “Smart Summon” appears to crash into a $3.5 million private jet

The vehicle didn’t stop after it crashed into the jet.

www.theverge.com

What an idiot. It's meant for car parking lots not airplane parking lots. The car ought to be able to detect a whole damn jet though.

 

[Elixir]

I remember long ago driving a Saab two stroke car that sounded like a small dirt bike, and would freewheel itself as a feature. You could feel it let go of the drive train, and there was a delay when you step on the gas again.

A Saab two stroke? I can see freewheeling being useful with such engines because oil is mixed with the gasoline.
There is no advantage with modern, 4 stroke, fuel injected engines though.

Nobody said anything about “modern”. I’m trying to place where I was and when, when I drove that “almost a” car. My best recollection is that it was in FL, which would probably have been pre 1971, and it was old then.
OK ya made me look. Here it is, a 1963 model. It was even this color, though it didn’t look this good. What a POS.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Not sure about other EV's but in a Tesla you can turn off regenerative breaking and it will just coast with no interference from the motor. You can also turn on creep which causes the car to act like an ICE vehicle where you'd have to hold the break at a stop or else it will move forward without pressing the gas. No idea why anyone would want to do either because one peddle driving (when done right) means it's possible you'll never have to change the breaks.

Thanks for the info. I know you can turn the regenerative braking on and off but thought the motor was still juicing. Are you saying that if I turn the regenerative braking off and take my foot off the accelerator it is coasting, even on downhills? That seems kinda strange but if indeed that is the case good for Tesla.

As far as saving wear and tear on the brakes i had the brakes redone on the FIT at 62,000 miles which was eleven years. So no sweat on brake wear. I do know how to drive a car with it's mechanical aspects in mind. I treat it like a horse, I don't beat it. Some drivers are always either accelerating or braking. My left foot is on the dead pedal unless it's on the clutch, nice and secure. Much safer than two foot drivers.

 

[thebeave]

I remember long ago driving a Saab two stroke car that sounded like a small dirt bike, and would freewheel itself as a feature. You could feel it let go of the drive train, and there was a delay when you step on the gas again.

A Saab two stroke? I can see freewheeling being useful with such engines because oil is mixed with the gasoline.
There is no advantage with modern, 4 stroke, fuel injected engines though.

Nobody said anything about “modern”. I’m trying to place where I was and when, when I drove that “almost a” car. My best recollection is that it was in FL, which would probably have been pre 1971, and it was old then.
OK ya made me look. Here it is, a 1963 model. It was even this color, though it didn’t look this good. What a POS.
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Don't know that much about Saabs, but I do recall listening to a Car Talk show years ago, where Tom and Ray lamented that Saabs were unique in that they're built as though the designers and engineers had never seen another car in their lives and were making it completely from scratch.

 

[Elixir]

Damn I loved the Car Guys show.
Good radio!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not sure about other EV's but in a Tesla you can turn off regenerative breaking and it will just coast with no interference from the motor. You can also turn on creep which causes the car to act like an ICE vehicle where you'd have to hold the break at a stop or else it will move forward without pressing the gas. No idea why anyone would want to do either because one peddle driving (when done right) means it's possible you'll never have to change the breaks.

Thanks for the info. I know you can turn the regenerative braking on and off but thought the motor was still juicing. Are you saying that if I turn the regenerative braking off and take my foot off the accelerator it is coasting, even on downhills? That seems kinda strange but if indeed that is the case good for Tesla.

As far as saving wear and tear on the brakes i had the brakes redone on the FIT at 62,000 miles which was eleven years. So no sweat on brake wear. I do know how to drive a car with it's mechanical aspects in mind. I treat it like a horse, I don't beat it. Some drivers are always either accelerating or braking. My left foot is on the dead pedal unless it's on the clutch, nice and secure. Much safer than two foot drivers.

My impression is that you have to keep your foot on the accelerator on a Tesla, but that that doesn't mean it's actually using power.

 

[thebeave]

My guess is no.

You can also plunge it down a cliff and survive.
Tesla plunges 250 feet off a California cliff, all 4 occupants survive

Oddly enough, the driver of the car has been charged with attempted murder. He intentionally drove off the cliff to try to kill his family (and himself presumably).

Tesla driver is charged with intentionally plunging his family off a California cliff

 

[TV and credit cards]

.Tesla price cuts.

They made hay while they were essentially the only player. Now they can force the competition to keep profit per vehicle low while simultaneously having to spend heavily getting their EV production going. All this while also having to maintain ICE production. That’s gotta hurt. Meanwhile, Toyota sits back and watches. Toyota is always late to the new tech party. They think EVs are overhyped. I believe there is a recent Reuters article on that. Go fish.
I was looking at Toyota’s website. They like making hybrids. They offer a hybrid Sequoia that gets 20/24 mpg. Big whoop. Why’d they even bother? This from the company that offered a cassette deck years and years after all others had ceased to do so.

To control production costs, Tesla has invested heavily in new manufacturing technology - such as the use of large castings to replace small metal parts. Tesla brought battery manufacturing and other parts of its supply chain in-house, and standardized vehicle designs to improve economies of scale.

I remember reading about these large castings when they were still struggling to ramp up productions. They are doing the same for that godawful looking pickup truck. To each his own.

Cynertruck’s 9,000 ton press.

These massive presses are proving to be a wise investment. It will be years before others can integrate them into their production lines.

Search Idra giga press.

 

[Gospel]

Not sure about other EV's but in a Tesla you can turn off regenerative breaking and it will just coast with no interference from the motor. You can also turn on creep which causes the car to act like an ICE vehicle where you'd have to hold the break at a stop or else it will move forward without pressing the gas. No idea why anyone would want to do either because one peddle driving (when done right) means it's possible you'll never have to change the breaks.

Thanks for the info. I know you can turn the regenerative braking on and off but thought the motor was still juicing. Are you saying that if I turn the regenerative braking off and take my foot off the accelerator it is coasting, even on downhills? That seems kinda strange but if indeed that is the case good for Tesla.

As far as saving wear and tear on the brakes i had the brakes redone on the FIT at 62,000 miles which was eleven years. So no sweat on brake wear. I do know how to drive a car with it's mechanical aspects in mind. I treat it like a horse, I don't beat it. Some drivers are always either accelerating or braking. My left foot is on the dead pedal unless it's on the clutch, nice and secure. Much safer than two foot drivers.

My impression is that you have to keep your foot on the accelerator on a Tesla, but that that doesn't mean it's actually using power.

Nope neutral is neutral. There is absolutely no interference from the motor. As far as always having to keep your foot on the pedal that's a yes if you want to maintain speed while having regen breaking on. Turn regen breaking off and it coasts.

 

[Gospel]

I blasted off from a light this morning leaving a Honda Fit 10 Honda Fit car lengths behind before I hit 45mph & thought about Jimmy.

 

[Gospel]

.Tesla price cuts.

They made hay while they were essentially the only player. Now they can force the competition to keep profit per vehicle low while simultaneously having to spend heavily getting their EV production going.

I think the price reductions has many layers. I can think of three off the top.

1) Making a Tesla more affordable means more customers and more market share.
2) Lets go Brandon! The government will spend more on the EV tax credit than anticipated.
3) Coal rolling competiters.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I blasted off from a light this morning leaving a Honda Fit 10 Honda Fit car lengths behind before I hit 45mph & thought about Jimmy.

You out accelerated a car that cost half to a third your car? *slow clap*

 

[thebeave]

First off, he didn't create Tesla, he came in after it was created, and I think forced out the founders.

He did not create it, true, but he did get it pretty early on and has developed it into what it has become.

He doesn't give a shit about the environment or EVs, he cares about his fortune.

Based on what are you claiming that "he doesn't give a shit about the environment"?

So he got government investment early on, but works against the government investing in any other EV company.

Isn't it kind of the other way around? Biden going out of his way not to invite Tesla to an EV summit. Also trying to make Teslas not eligible for a tax credit.

He produces expensive luxury EVs, rather than working to make them affordable and able to be a viable option for a lot of people.

The Tesla approach was exactly the right way to make EVs go mainstream. EV technology, esp. batteries, is expensive, and was much more so in mid-2000s when the original Roadster was developed.
Until then, what few EVs were available were small cars which were much more expensive than comparable ICE cars. But in luxury segment, one could have an EV that did not cost the double what a comparable ICE car would cost. That made say a Roadster an attractive option for somebody looking to spend $100k on a car. A subcompact should cost $12-15k. If it costs $25 or even $40k nobody would be buying.

He keeps people interested with various vaporware, promising amazing things to come in the next couple years for investors, but somehow never materialize. (hyperloop, solar panel shingles, electric truck)

Hyperloop is not part of Tesla, I don't think. Don't conflate companies! And many of the projects have been released: numerous Tesla models after the original Roaster (S, 3, X, Y). There is the Power Wall. And first semis have been delivered, so that is not vaporware. Neither are the shingles.
You are right that some things have been overhyped and pushed way too quickly. Notably the self-driving features.

He convinced states to not invest in high speed public trains, and instead invest in his projects that don't deliver. He tries to convince people he is Tony Stark, when he is more of a Trump, all show and little substance.

He is orders of magnitude more substantive than Trump.
And Tony Stark is a fictional character. If you expect anything akin to the ark reactor from reality, you will be disappointed every time.
Musk/Tesla should not be measured against such a ridiculous yardstick.
Reality is that Tesla has made electric cars viable and has pushed the legacy carmakers to enter that segment. Without Tesla, I doubt we would have the number and quality of EV models in 2022 we have.

I've heard other car companies are starting to make decent EVs, and that the military is having EVs developed for the field. Now that will be a big help if the military can go electric for a lot of its vehicles.

Which would not have happened at this rate if these companies were not pushed by Tesla.

Yep. If not for Elon Musk and Tesla, electric cars of the future would be as portrayed on The Simpsons.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yep. If not for Elon Musk and Tesla, electric cars of the future would be as portrayed on The Simpsons.

You didn't seem to get the point of the skit. IE, that car exhibit was developed by the oil/gas industry who clearly have an agenda.

 

[Gospel]

Yep. If not for Elon Musk and Tesla, electric cars of the future would be as portrayed on The Simpsons.

You didn't seem to get the point of the skit. IE, that car exhibit was developed by the oil/gas industry who clearly have an agenda.

Then that car was definitely a Hybrid.

 

[Gun Nut]

the military is having EVs developed for the field.

Oh goody, now we can disable them all entirely, with just one EMP weapon.

what gas vehicle exists today (and still runs) that would not be impacted by an EMP? the engine might run on gas, but every critical system is computer controlled.

 

[Gun Nut]

Also, you can do a lot by getting a second car that is EV. I use my ( $15,000) EV to communte to work and if I need to go anywhere further, I take an ICE vehicle. The ICE vehicles stay parked most of the time and only fire up when required.

I kinda do the same, except instead of an EV, I use a velomobile.

Pedal power, the only thing I use electricity for is the small (5600mAh) battery that runs the lights, turn signals, and horn. Fully enclosed, three wheels for stability even in slippery conditions (I've ridden it in the snow), gets me exercise, and has minimal environmental impact.

The only time I drive is when getting a lot of groceries (I use the velo for frequent, small trips) and when I have to take my mom somewhere. Longer trips where time is an issue, I take one of my motorcycles, that get 45-55 mpg.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to walk almost everywhere I need to go, except my gym.. to which I ride my eBike if above 60F outside, which is the vast majority of the year.... I love that thing... I can get 50 miles on a 2 hour charge with minimal pedal effort. And since my Job has gone "hybrid" office hours, I burn maybe 1 gallon of gas per month.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm fortunate enough to be able to walk almost everywhere I need to go, except my gym.. to which I ride my eBike if above 60F outside, which is the vast majority of the year.... I love that thing... I can get 50 miles on a 2 hour charge with minimal pedal effort. And since my Job has gone "hybrid" office hours, I burn maybe 1 gallon of gas per month.

Still pushing pedals here, 100% human power. But I do see lots of e-bikes on the trails and the roads. E-bikes are heavy and probably wouldn't fit into my FIT or CRV anyway.