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If you can't charge at your destination, you have to consider the round trip distance in the range considerations, yes.
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I don't hide where I am--Las Vegas. I picked the visitor center of Death Valley as my objective--actually it was 35.91215, -116.58582. It's the intersection of Jubilee Pass Road and a dirt track that AFIAK only has a number, not a name. Actually, anywhere within about 2 hours of Las Vegas--the only supercharger I'm aware of lies 2 hours NE of here, St. George, Utah--and I almost never go that way because the travel time gets too high for day hiking.Use this https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
Edit: That one should show more than just Tesla chargers.
Edit: Is there a place you know of (other than the one you go to) that the map also shows the same absence of chargers? I'm not a camper so I wouldn't know where to look. I just need a test case so I can try for myself without doxing you.
I'm seeing super charges from every direction to those coordinates. My Model 3 long Range can do 350ish Miles (driving dumb). You can charge a Tesla and get to and back from your destination. I mean, you do plan to leave the car behind and go hiking and not take the car on the hike right? Granted you power the Tesla down you should be able to camp for days without concern for phantom drain (meaning the battery being used while away from the vehicle). I'd use the charger 79 miles away & charge to 90% before heading out. You'd have easily over 100 miles of range left (100 considering the worst scenario, like leaving the car on and hiking for a week) when you get back to that same charger.
Edit: Leaving the car on drains the battery at approximately 15% every 30 days. I'm not being exact here because I suck at math but that's around 17 or so miles of range lost just sitting there for a month.
Edit2: And the Model Y would probably be the best bet if trying to drive the dirt roads since it sits fairly high. I mean, I wouldn't recommend going in a Tesla but it can be done for sure.
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I'd be curious about the charging side of things. What is the max miles for quick charging. That car is a ton more affordable than a Tesla. I'm addicted to the up folding Fit seats, but Honda isn't making those anymore.
259 miles... at what temp. That is pretty much a back and forth trip to Columbus. I really would want 300 miles (that is affordable). That thing would manage the 90% of my driving though. I loved the concept of the Chevy Volt, but that didn't last too long.
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The S. And the cheap ones aren't cheap. The Bolt starts at under $30k. The Model 3, before the thread started, was over $60,000!I seriously wonder how much Jimmy thinks a Tesla costs.You keep saying 6 digits. What digits exactly?
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My wife had a Chevy Aveo (became the Sonic). It was quite similar to the Bolt but a bit larger. She absolutely loved that car and it was quite roomy inside. It was also the top of the line for that model so it had all the bells and whistles available.
It was, however, a very bad luck car for us. It was like a target for people to damage it. It was in the body shop at least three times in its short life. The last time it was totaled because an idiot slowed for a stop sign then rolled right through and we t-boned them.
Too bad they didn't choose the Sonic for an EV platform.
The S. And the cheap ones aren't cheap. The Bolt starts at under $30k. The Model 3, before the thread started, was over $60,000!I seriously wonder how much Jimmy thinks a Tesla costs.
Only the Model 3 performance (one of the trims) was 60k and up. Model 3's ranged from $47k to $67k depending on the trim. You had the base model on the low end, Long range in the middle and performance at the top.
Edit: Yes I thought and still do consider Tesla's over priced but lets use real numbers please.
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I'm not sure about the civilian Bolt or EUV, but we would charge the AV when we came back for lunch break. The range was a lot less due to all the extra electronics we had packed in there, but it would charge to 80% by the time our lunch break ended - 30 minutes.
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Okay, so Model 3 says 175 mile range within the super fast charging... where fast charging is available. So less than every 3 hours. Honda Fit, 400 miles (technically) between stops for fast fueling.The S. And the cheap ones aren't cheap. The Bolt starts at under $30k. The Model 3, before the thread started, was over $60,000!I seriously wonder how much Jimmy thinks a Tesla costs.
Only the Model 3 performance (one of the trims) was 60k and up. Model 3's ranged from $47k to $67k depending on the trim. You had the base model on the low end, Long range in the middle and performance at the top.
Edit: Yes I thought and still do consider Tesla's over priced but lets use real numbers please.
Model 3 is $50k and more. One thing that sucks about Tesla is there cars have too many ranges based on the sub model.
Okay, so Model 3 says 175 mile range within the super fast charging... where fast charging is available. So less than every 3 hours. Honda Fit, 400 miles (technically) between stops for fast fueling.The S. And the cheap ones aren't cheap. The Bolt starts at under $30k. The Model 3, before the thread started, was over $60,000!I seriously wonder how much Jimmy thinks a Tesla costs.
Only the Model 3 performance (one of the trims) was 60k and up. Model 3's ranged from $47k to $67k depending on the trim. You had the base model on the low end, Long range in the middle and performance at the top.
Edit: Yes I thought and still do consider Tesla's over priced but lets use real numbers please.
Model 3 is $50k and more. One thing that sucks about Tesla is there cars have too many ranges based on the sub model.
Those are used with reasonable mileage on them with 310 range. Keep in mind that the range provided is a mixture of City & highway Driving. It's not city or Highway Driving alone. I've reached nearly 360 miles on a single charge on the highway. As far as superchargers go, I've already showed you a map; they are all fast chargers.
I hate sounding like I'm chilling for Tesla but no other auto manufacturer has the charging network they do. No other company in the business of providing EV chargers can compete with them either. It's just the facts (for now).
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I will miss being able to put the EV into neutral while it is moving. Yes, I know, some of that "coasting" energy is supposedly recovered according to sources, but it is not very much at all. Why can't someone build an EV that freewheels when you take you foot off the accelerator? That would seem to me to be a way to seriously improve driving range. All the EVs out there require you to apply and hold the brake before being able to place the vehicle into "neutral" to avoid damage such as at a car wash, being towed or being pushed. I would think such a modification would increase driving range by 25%. Just let the car be able to coast.
I think some state laws make coasting in neutral illegal.
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You have a Tesla, dude, so it's your responsibility to find out for sure and let us know!
(Seriously I suspect you're right; DC current isn't going to do much to you after traveling/dispersing through body of water like a lake.)
Plus it's another myth about EV's. Well, at least in a Tesla you can go into neutral from drive by holding the right stalk up a second or two.
Edit: Changed left to right.
T.G.G. Moogly
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Does that mean if I'm driving a standard, see a red light ahead and put it in neutral while I coast/brake to a stop I'm breaking the law? Or if I push in the clutch while leaving it in gear I'm breaking the law too? Seems strange.
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Not while the car is moving.
My Honda Fit is an automatic because my wife prefers automatics. It gets great average mpg because I can do a lot of coasting.
Probably. But not sure how that's enforced unless you get into an accident.
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I did a little reading and it isn't necessarily illegal. The claim is that if one needs to accelerate quickly you have to get into gear first. Sounds pretty dopey. I'll chalk it up to laws being written for the benefit of the least capable vehicle operators.
Lots of drivers have their left foot on the brake pedal and their right foot on the gas pedal. Not legal either.