Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[Toni]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

 

[Toni]

Of course she was a commodity--that's what actors/actresses are!

Seriously?? That is a truly obscene thing to say.

No worker is a commodity. Actors are paid professionals.

I agree that it’s an obscene concept—and reality for most actors and indeed for many workers.

...and yet again I find myself astonished that US workers haven't risen up in bloody revolution and hanged their bosses from the streetlamps, or set up guillotines in the Capitol Mall.

Or even just collectively agreed to not work for anyone who treats them like shit.

There have been bloody workers revolutions in the US. Less violently, there have been strikes of screen actors guild members, writers and other film and entertainment industry people, which have led to changes in work conditions and compensation and crediting of work, etc.

Today, films such as Pretty Baby and Blue Lagoon could not be made the way they were or perhaps at all. The 1968 Romeo and Juliet could not be filmed using nude actors who were minors. Because it is inherently exploitive.

 

[Jarhyn]

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl

Wasn't that the entire plot of Lolita?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden.

No, People's Front of Judea. You are very much a Trump apologist.

You are a two party apologist, making you much closer to Trump than I am.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

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[Jason Harvestdancer]

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden.

No, People's Front of Judea. You are very much a Trump apologist.

I think I need to expand on my previous response, where I correctly pointed out that Patooka supports the two party system while I oppose it, making Patooka closer to Trump than I am.

When I found out about Nawar al-Awlaki, I considered it horrible. One of the worst things Trump could have done. So I posted it to IIDB and was greeted with a gigantic "Big deal, so what?"

As far as I could tell, I was the only person participating in Politics on IIDB that gave a damn about that issue. I thought "gee, people here hate Trump no matter what he does, surely they'll hate him for this" and instead found the one thing he did that they DON'T hate him for.

I don't recall you chiming in saying "yea Jason that's horrible." I don't recall you saying "Trump shouldn't have done something that horrible." I do recall some people here on IIDB, who accuse me of supporting Trump, defending Trump on that issue.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[scombrid]

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden.

No, People's Front of Judea. You are very much a Trump apologist.

You are a two party apologist, making you much closer to Trump than I am.

Written in another thread:
After the 2020 election I was told how safe, secure, and resistant to tampering or stealing our elections were, and anyone who said otherwise was a right-wing kook

One can imagine how that looks.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden.

No, People's Front of Judea. You are very much a Trump apologist.

You are a two party apologist, making you much closer to Trump than I am.

Written in another thread:
After the 2020 election I was told how safe, secure, and resistant to tampering or stealing our elections were, and anyone who said otherwise was a right-wing kook

One can imagine how that looks.

You have a lot of imagination.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Appealing the ruling doesn't taint anything. It means he goes to the higher court and explains why he thinks the lower court is wrong.

Biden didn't even try that.

Why didn't Biden try that?

Did he want them sealed for reasons other than tainting the jury?

You still NOT going to get over the burden Trump has now to do exactly what you say and release the files, assuming he was innocent which he wasn't. Clown around all you want, people see what you are.

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden. I criticized Trump for not releasing them, and Johnson for keeping congress out of session to avoid a vote in the issue. Find a Republican to defend Trump and Johnson on this.

So, why didn't Biden appeal the ruling?

No, to appeal you have to show what the lower court did wrong. And "a decision you don't like" is not something you can appeal. You have to find something wrong about the process.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What in the world would make you want to post that here??? That's kinda' skeevy.

I thought it fit the "Epstein Island" meme.
But if you think it's inappropriate, feel free to delete.

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Of course she was a commodity--that's what actors/actresses are!

Seriously?? That is a truly obscene thing to say.

No worker is a commodity. Actors are paid professionals.

Reality is often unpleasant.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course she was a commodity--that's what actors/actresses are!

Seriously?? That is a truly obscene thing to say.

No worker is a commodity. Actors are paid professionals.

I agree that it’s an obscene concept—and reality for most actors and indeed for many workers.

...and yet again I find myself astonished that US workers haven't risen up in bloody revolution and hanged their bosses from the streetlamps, or set up guillotines in the Capitol Mall.

Or even just collectively agreed to not work for anyone who treats them like shit.

Perhaps they remember some history.
The guillotines led to Napoloeon which led to the invasion of Russia and Waterloo.
The frogs have not won a war since.

France set itself back 30 years with their revolution.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

In other words, the problem was her mother, not the producers.

 

[laughing dog]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

In other words, the problem was her mother, not the producers.

Part of the problem was the mother, but another part of the problem was priducets pushing those roles and expectations.

 

[Toni]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

In other words, the problem was her mother, not the producers.

Part of the problem was the mother, but another part of the problem was priducets pushing those roles and expectations.

Exactly. The DIRECTOR and the producers are to blame because if it hadn’t been Brooke Shiekds, it would face been some other child. Let’s not leave out the studio heads and all the other big wheels and money guys who wanted to make a pen adjacent film featuring an actual CHILD. And everyone else who produced these films, marketed, booked these films. And let’s not let off the green ass men who looooved these movies so much—and who told their middle school students about how great the films were ( true story but unlikely confined to just one teacher or just my town) possibly not being very conscious of exactly what it was that so delighted them.

Brooke Shields’ mother had a duty to protect her child. Absolutely. Movie studios are now held to standards that don’t legitimately allow them to exploit children in this way.

 

[Toni]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

In other words, the problem was her mother, not the producers.

In other words, in Loren’s view, men who want to make money off of the youth and beauty and naked bodies of children are not to blame.

 

[Toni]

Of course she was a commodity--that's what actors/actresses are!

Seriously?? That is a truly obscene thing to say.

No worker is a commodity. Actors are paid professionals.

I agree that it’s an obscene concept—and reality for most actors and indeed for many workers.

...and yet again I find myself astonished that US workers haven't risen up in bloody revolution and hanged their bosses from the streetlamps, or set up guillotines in the Capitol Mall.

Or even just collectively agreed to not work for anyone who treats them like shit.

Perhaps they remember some history.
The guillotines led to Napoloeon which led to the invasion of Russia and Waterloo.
The frogs have not won a war since.

France set itself back 30 years with their revolution.

O my fucking god you are on a roll tonight. It stuns me that you are not publicly worshipping at the alter of Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Brooke Shields considers herself to have been massively abused in the making of that movie.

Does she? [citation needed]

Brooke Shields Ignored ‘Blue Lagoon’ Director’s Phone Call After She Criticized the Film for Exploiting Her ‘Sexual Awakening’

Brooke Shields says "The Blue Lagoon" exploited her sexual awakening.

variety.com

Your claim was that she was "massively abused". The article does not back up your claim.
It is true that she feels exploited in hindsight of several decades and changes in societal attitudes toward how teenage sexuality is portrayed, but that is not the same as being "abused" on set, much less "massively" so.

You’ve never been a 14 year old girl, much less a 14 year old girl with a stage mother.

Girls are very much raised to not make waves, to be ‘nice’ which means compliant. It is difficult to push back against violation of boundaries if you have never been allowed to have boundaries.

I realize that it is a common fantasy for some males that 14 year old girls are just waiting for some man to awaken their innermost sexual desires. But that’s a male fantasy. 14 year olds are children, even if their bodies arouse sexual desire in adults. 14 year olds are trying to figure themselves out, to figure out what, if any, say they have about their own lives, their own thoughts, their own feelings. Those are just everyday 14 year olds. Add in all of the adults telling you you must do this or it will hurt your career . Brooke Shiekds’ mother was divorced and put her daughter in commercials at age 11 MONTHS. Her income depended upon her daughter’s career, pressure that was not lost on her daughter as it is never lost on any child, particularly the only child of a mother. Her mother saw Brooke as ‘a sexy child’ and capitalized on that, monetarily and emotionally. FWIW, the actors who played Romeo and Juliet felt similarly exploited, and had been told that they would be wearing body suits during the infamous love scene and then were not allowed to wear body suits and told that their willingness to do the scene nude would determine whether the film succeeded or failed. That’s an enormous amount of pressure to put on a kid who lacks the maturity and agency and who has no life experience to help them advocate for themselves.

I think a lot of adult men confuse their own feelings with what it is like to be a 14 or 15 year old girl.

In other words, the problem was her mother, not the producers.

This is a false dichotomy.

 

[bilby]

...and yet again I find myself astonished that US workers haven't risen up in bloody revolution and hanged their bosses from the streetlamps, or set up guillotines in the Capitol Mall.

Or even just collectively agreed to not work for anyone who treats them like shit.

Perhaps they remember some history.
The guillotines led to Napoloeon which led to the invasion of Russia and Waterloo.
The frogs have not won a war since.

France set itself back 30 years with their revolution.

Did it? By what measure?

French peasants probably wouldn't care too much if France didn't go to war with Russia, or expand her empire, of if French GDP fell, or French wine exports collapsed.

By whose standards are you measuring "back 30 years"?

Military and economic strength on the world stage are not the only measures of a nation.

 

[Elixir]

By whose standards are you measuring "back 30 years"?

The bourgeoisie (90% of the population) went forward 10 years and the elite (10% of the population) went backwards 90 years, for a total overall net gain or loss of zero.
But civil wars are fun or people wouldn’t keep arranging for them.