Europe submits voluntarily

[DrZoidberg]

Isn't the fact that it is an army, in itself, something to be worried about? What does the "Islamic" bit add?

It tells the infidel that they are fucked.

Historically a Christian overlord behaved atrociously. A Muslim overlord less so. I actually don't think this has anything to do with religion. I think it has to do with regional politics surrounding the conquering. Islamic conquering has historically taken place in more civilised and affluent areas of the world. There was an incentive not to kill people. The Ottomans treated their Christian and Jewish subjects relatively well. The Christians following the colonisation of the post-industrial world was about as bad as it can get. Christian/European settlers primarily just wanted land, so they had little incentive to give a shit about the conquered peoples. I'm including Nazi-Germany into this same general vibe.

If you are making a case that religion matters I don't think history is on your side here.

 

[TSwizzle]

It tells the infidel that they are fucked.

Historically {snip}

Christians bad, muslims good. Got it.

or, muslims good, everyone else bad.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Historically {snip}

Christians bad, muslims good. Got it.

or, muslims good, everyone else bad.

ha ha... that's what you took from my post. My argument is that religion doesn't matter. Until we see past religion there's no way to deal with ISIS (other than in the most short-term way)

 

[TSwizzle]

Christians bad, muslims good. Got it.

or, muslims good, everyone else bad.

ha ha... that's what you took from my post. My argument is {snip}

You're "argument" such as it is; muslim=good, xtians=badder or worser.

 

[Jokodo]

It's something to be concerned about because it's an army, not because they're Muslims.

Oh it makes a difference to the infidels, the Jews, the Pagans and the Christians. Basically if you're a non muslim, you know what's coming. Concern for that is not a phobia.

History fact of the day: Christians or Jews in Anatolia or the Balkans after the Ottoman expansion fared far better than Muslims or Jews in Andalusia after the Reconquista. Many times, Christians fared worse as the result of a Christian conquest.

I tend to agree with DrZ that that's not because of religion, but because of a much broader set of social and political circumstances surrounding the respective conquests, but even so it's enough to show that the reason to be concerned wasn't that they're Muslims but that they're a bunch of armed people intent of subduing you.

 

[TSwizzle]

Oh it makes a difference to the infidels, the Jews, the Pagans and the Christians. Basically if you're a non muslim, you know what's coming. Concern for that is not a phobia.

History fact of the day:{snip}

History facts of any day do not negate the point, muslim armies massed at your gate are something to be concerned about and not a phobia.

 

[untermensche]

Christians bad, muslims good. Got it.

or, muslims good, everyone else bad.

The formula is as old as humanity.

The more power you have the more crimes you commit and the more terrorism you do.

It is the way the world works today and the way it has always worked.

Nothing wrong with Islam in itself.

What is wrong is religious leaders with power. No matter their religion.

 

[angelo]

'them' is all the dumbass liberals that want to let the muslims into Europe today, to let them attempt the second takeover!

Attempt? Give it 50-100 years and at the this rate of entry, plus birth rate, and they'll be the majority.

 

[angelo]

I wish the process would hurry up in the Muslim world. The young girl Mala from Pakistan got shot for trying to get educated.

The US blew up many Mala's when it invaded Iraq.

Might that be why some don't like the US?

Are you not sick and tired of blaming everything on the US?
Islam has been at war with Islam a thousand years before there was a US.

 

[angelo]

That's the last thing the imams want. A educated population.

Are you talking about the extremist Imams or the regular kind of Imams? I'm pretty sure they have diametrically opposed opinions on this.

I wish the good imams would tell the bad imams to crawl back to their holes if that's the case.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The US blew up many Mala's when it invaded Iraq.

Might that be why some don't like the US?

Are you not sick and tired of blaming everything on the US?
Islam has been at war with Islam a thousand years before there was a US.

You can blame the US and its allies for meddling without understanding the consequences.
They were quite happy shooting each other before the US poured petrol on the fires and as the regimes collapsed the extremists once kept under check quickly filled the void.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Are you talking about the extremist Imams or the regular kind of Imams? I'm pretty sure they have diametrically opposed opinions on this.

I wish the good imams would tell the bad imams to crawl back to their holes if that's the case.

They do all the time. Very few imams haven't condemned ISIS. It's in the news all the time if you know where to look. Western mainstream media don't report on it because it doesn't fit the narrative of the rabid and evil Muslim empire supported by a world of Muslims. And it's not like they're waving a finger lazily. Lot's of them are taking it very seriously indeed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/imam-isis-haqiqah-magazine_n_6956028.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/imam-network-website-counter-isis-propaganda-haqiqah

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...wa-Against-ISIS/2015/09/09/article3018529.ece

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists...uslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

These were just the top of the search on this.

 

[angelo]

None of these sources write about the fact that the earlier more peaceful "hadith's" or sayings of the pedo prophet are superseded by the much more violent later hadiths that 70% of Muslims, radicals as well as moderate follow. Moslems are convinced that the quran is the perfect word of allah as revealed to the warrior, pedophile prophet. This is the biggest hurdle that Islam faces in modernising their cult.

 

[bilby]

None of these sources write about the fact that the earlier more peaceful "hadith's" or sayings of the pedo prophet are superseded by the much more violent later hadiths that 70% of Muslims, radicals as well as moderate follow. Moslems are convinced that the quran is the perfect word of allah as revealed to the warrior, pedophile prophet. This is the biggest hurdle that Islam faces in modernising their cult.

Is that the same 70% who are demonstrably not illiterate?

You throw a lot of numbers around; but you never seem to be able to back them up.

Funny that.

 

[angelo]

Forget the numbers and see troubles in Islam that appear to be insuperable. Many Moslems demand a community within a community, many will never assimilate. The whole idea about multiculturalism was eventually assimilating like millions of European and South East Asian have done. They celebrate being Australians and free. Many have being naturalised. Would be interesting to see just how many Muslims have done so.

 

[Jokodo]

How are we supposed to forget the numbers if you keep bringing up a new invented figure in every post?

 

[DrZoidberg]

None of these sources write about the fact that the earlier more peaceful "hadith's" or sayings of the pedo prophet are superseded by the much more violent later hadiths that 70% of Muslims, radicals as well as moderate follow. Moslems are convinced that the quran is the perfect word of allah as revealed to the warrior, pedophile prophet. This is the biggest hurdle that Islam faces in modernising their cult.

Who cares? Muslims certainly don't. I think the evidence is in that religious people don't care what their God says. They'll just use their holy texts to justify what serves them the best right now. Which is what religious people always have done. History certainly backs it up.

 

[repoman]

let's bring back European Pride:



that is some cold blooded look from the soldier.

 

[untermensche]

The US blew up many Mala's when it invaded Iraq.

Might that be why some don't like the US?

Are you not sick and tired of blaming everything on the US?
Islam has been at war with Islam a thousand years before there was a US.

Your deliberate and willful turning away from the facts sickens me.

You are the problem, no solution.

 

[untermensche]

Are you not sick and tired of blaming everything on the US?
Islam has been at war with Islam a thousand years before there was a US.

You can blame the US and its allies for meddling without understanding the consequences.
They were quite happy shooting each other before the US poured petrol on the fires and as the regimes collapsed the extremists once kept under check quickly filled the void.

Who are these people that were happy shooting each other until the US interfered?

What the fuck are you talking about?

In 2003 the US launched an unprovoked attack of the Iraqi people. It tortured thousands of innocent people, killed thousands of innocents, destroyed an entire nation and unleashed ISIS.

And now we live with the aftermath of that illegal invasion and all those US crimes.

To not see it is to be deliberately ignorant and worthless.