Europe submits voluntarily

[TSwizzle]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all. That's where the European Islamophobia has it's roots. If not even earlier, the fall of Constantinople.

Are you saying that fear of being invaded and occupied by muslim armies is a phobia ? I guess everybody just had phobias back in the day.

 

[untermensche]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all. That's where the European Islamophobia has it's roots. If not even earlier, the fall of Constantinople.

Are you saying that fear of being invaded and occupied by muslim armies is a phobia ? I guess everybody just had phobias back in the day.

We are a bit past "the day".

We are now the one's attacking.

Since the end of WWI the West has tried to control the ME in one way or another.

One method was to prop up a dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. Worse than that, a dictatorship with religious fundamentalism supported by the state.

And the US has been attacking and killing Muslims non-stop since 2001. That is undisputed.

 

[bilby]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all. That's where the European Islamophobia has it's roots. If not even earlier, the fall of Constantinople.

Are you saying that fear of being invaded and occupied by muslim armies is a phobia ? I guess everybody just had phobias back in the day.

A phobia is an irrational fear.

To fear being invaded and occupied by Muslim armies may have been rational 'back in the day', but it certainly isn't rational for anyone in America or Europe today - so any such fear that still exists is a phobia.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

More than 70% of Islamics or if you prefer, moslems are illiterate. Those that can read, very few have ever picked up a science book, or a paper that may criticise Islam in any way.

I think you nailed it. Extremist religion is a result of shitty education. Which in turn is the result of poverty. Solve the poverty = solve the education problem = no more extremist religion. What this means is that it will go away even if we do nothing. It's just a matter of time. Which, incidentally is what killed Christian extremism in the west.

And it still doesn't explain anything else you've written in this thread

Yes, I'm aware your numbers are wrong. It's not just illiteracy. It has also to do with whether you live in a country with an infrastructure geared toward a predominantly agricultural economy or an industrial economy. The former creates insecurity. And insecurity breeds extremism. But this to is just a matter of time

Cart & horse--extremist religions generally are anti-education because they know educated people are prone to seeing through their garbage.

 

[angelo]

That's the last thing the imams want. A educated population.

 

[bilby]

That's the last thing the imams want. A educated population.

Yeah, but they need educated Imams to run the show.

That's what did for the Catholic church - you start off with a monopoly of literacy, but when you teach priests and monks to read and write, they start to think; and then all of a sudden, when enough churchmen know the secret, the cat is out of the bag, and the enlightenment starts.

 

[angelo]

I wish the process would hurry up in the Muslim world. The young girl Mala from Pakistan got shot for trying to get educated.

 

[Bar-Jesus]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all.

But now people like you want to just LET them all in, like WTF , are u mad or something?

 

[Jokodo]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all.

But now people like you want to just LET them all in, like WTF , are u mad or something?

Who's them? Every single soldier, from the generals down to the foot troops, in the Ottoman army besieging Vienna is dead, and has been dead for a couple of centuries. Speaking of which, a large part of the troops consisted of Christian allies, while, conversely, the Polish army that came to kick them out contained a regiment of Lipka Tatars, i.e. Muslims.

 

[Bar-Jesus]

'them' is all the dumbass liberals that want to let the muslims into Europe today, to let them attempt the second takeover!

 

[untermensche]

I wish the process would hurry up in the Muslim world. The young girl Mala from Pakistan got shot for trying to get educated.

The US blew up many Mala's when it invaded Iraq.

Might that be why some don't like the US?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Also... there had been European racist stereotypes about Muslims dating back to the siege of Vienna. Churchill and everybody else in Europe who had a university education knew very well how extremely close the Ottomans once came to conquering Europe, all of it. That scared them all. That's where the European Islamophobia has it's roots. If not even earlier, the fall of Constantinople.

Are you saying that fear of being invaded and occupied by muslim armies is a phobia ? I guess everybody just had phobias back in the day.

The Ottoman empire wasn't so much a Muslim empire as just an empire. The "Islamic" part of Ottoman rule didn't add much. And for it's day, the Ottoman empire was way more cosmopolitan and liberal than any European/Christian counterpart. In the 16'th century I'd much have preferred being an Ottoman subject than being a subject in any of the Christian countries.

The hang-up with the religion of the Ottomans was always just a phobia. Or more precisely. Europeans thought they dressed funny. That was in reality the sum total of what Islamophobia was based on. Nobody knew anything about Islamic religion back then.

 

[DrZoidberg]

That's the last thing the imams want. A educated population.

Are you talking about the extremist Imams or the regular kind of Imams? I'm pretty sure they have diametrically opposed opinions on this.

 

[Jokodo]

'them' is all the dumbass liberals that want to let the muslims into Europe today, to let them attempt the second takeover!

Do you even read your own posts? "them" clearly referred to someone being let in, not to someone doing the letting in.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Ottoman empire wasn't so much a Muslim empire as just an empire. The "Islamic" part of Ottoman rule didn't add much.

A islamic/muslim army that has massed at your border is something to be concerned about, not a phobia.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The Ottoman empire wasn't so much a Muslim empire as just an empire. The "Islamic" part of Ottoman rule didn't add much.

A islamic/muslim army that has massed at your border is something to be concerned about, not a phobia.

Isn't the fact that it is an army, in itself, something to be worried about? What does the "Islamic" bit add?

 

[TSwizzle]

A islamic/muslim army that has massed at your border is something to be concerned about, not a phobia.

Isn't the fact that it is an army, in itself, something to be worried about? What does the "Islamic" bit add?

It tells the infidel that they are fucked.

 

[Jayjay]

That's the last thing the imams want. A educated population.

Are you talking about the extremist Imams or the regular kind of Imams? I'm pretty sure they have diametrically opposed opinions on this.

I'm not. ISIS is actively trying to recruit doctors and engineers for example, because they realize they need educated people even in the caliphate. And on the other hand, even "regular" imams benefit from weaning their followers away from critical thinking at least when it pertains to their own religion.

 

[Jokodo]

The Ottoman empire wasn't so much a Muslim empire as just an empire. The "Islamic" part of Ottoman rule didn't add much.

A islamic/muslim army that has massed at your border is something to be concerned about, not a phobia.

It's something to be concerned about because it's an army, not because they're Muslims.

Remember that time a huge meteor headed for Yucatan and extinguished 90% of lifeforms on Earth? It was a catastrophy, and if the dinosaurs had had any astronomers observing its advance, the would have been right to be alarmist. But it was dangerous because it was huge, not because it headed for Yucatan.

Your reaction is a bit like panicking because a speck of dust the size of a nail clipping is heading straight for Yucatan.

 

[TSwizzle]

A islamic/muslim army that has massed at your border is something to be concerned about, not a phobia.

It's something to be concerned about because it's an army, not because they're Muslims.

Oh it makes a difference to the infidels, the Jews, the Pagans and the Christians. Basically if you're a non muslim, you know what's coming. Concern for that is not a phobia.