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I was as shocked as any sensible human being would have been when I learned about the senseless, heinous, appalling and cowardly act that took place in Paris at the weekend . This attack is shocking, and offends the conscience of every sane person, regardless of their religious identity. I wish to stress categorically and unequivocally our complete solidarity and unwavering support for the French people in their plight and their determination to combat terror.
Terrorist groups flagrantly use religion as a cloak to cover up for their cowardly acts of violence. Their ideological fallacy reveal their warped logic and ill-informed and unauthentic sources which they turn to in order to derive their justification for their insatiable desire for power, control and bloodshed. These ideologies of hate and terror must be challenged and rooted out.
Furthermore, and this is very important, is that none of these extremists have been educated in Islam in genuine centers of Islamic learning. They are, rather, products of troubled environments and have subscribed to distorted and misguided interpretations of Islam that have no basis in traditional Islamic doctrine.
You can blame the US and its allies for meddling without understanding the consequences.
They were quite happy shooting each other before the US poured petrol on the fires and as the regimes collapsed the extremists once kept under check quickly filled the void.
Who are these people that were happy shooting each other until the US interfered?
What the fuck are you talking about?
In 2003 the US launched an unprovoked attack of the Iraqi people. It tortured thousands of innocent people, killed thousands of innocents, destroyed an entire nation and unleashed ISIS.
And now we live with the aftermath of that illegal invasion and all those US crimes.
To not see it is to be deliberately ignorant and worthless.
ISIS kills a lot of Muslims too. In fact it kills more Muslims then it does non Muslims.Dr. Shawki Allam is the Grand Mufti of Egypt, the largest Arabic nation with a population of 80 million people, around 90% of whom are Muslims.
A Grand Mufti is "the highest official of religious law in a Sunni or Ibadi Muslim country. The Grand Mufti issues legal opinions and edicts, fatāwā, on interpretations of Islamic jurisprudence for private clients or to assist judges in deciding cases. The collected opinions of the Grand Mufti serve as a valuable source of information on the practical application of Islamic law as opposed to its abstract formulation ." (Wikipedia, italics mine)
Dr. Shawki Allam is clearly a very important figure of authority on religious matters in the Muslim world, and this is what he said about the Paris bombings:
Terrorist groups flagrantly use religion as a cloak to cover up for their cowardly acts of violence. Their ideological fallacy reveal their warped logic and ill-informed and unauthentic sources which they turn to in order to derive their justification for their insatiable desire for power, control and bloodshed. These ideologies of hate and terror must be challenged and rooted out.
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Furthermore, and this is very important, is that none of these extremists have been educated in Islam in genuine centers of Islamic learning. They are, rather, products of troubled environments and have subscribed to distorted and misguided interpretations of Islam that have no basis in traditional Islamic doctrine.
Full text here: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworl...w-grand-mufti-of-egypt-on-the-paris-attacks/
These are the words of one of the most senior Muslim clerics in the world. I attach greater importance to them than to the writings of anonymous internet posters who claim that terrorism is a direct and unavoidable consequence of Islam.
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I wish the good imams would tell the bad imams to crawl back to their holes if that's the case.Are you talking about the extremist Imams or the regular kind of Imams? I'm pretty sure they have diametrically opposed opinions on this.
I wish the good imams would tell the bad imams to crawl back to their holes if that's the case.
The good Imams fear the bad ones.
ISIS kills a lot of Muslims too. In fact it kills more Muslims then it does non Muslims.
The good Imams fear the bad ones.
It doesn't alter the facts though does it?Are you not sick and tired of blaming everything on the US?
Islam has been at war with Islam a thousand years before there was a US.
Your deliberate and willful turning away from the facts sickens me.
You are the problem, no solution.
You mean to see it through your eyes don't you?You can blame the US and its allies for meddling without understanding the consequences.
They were quite happy shooting each other before the US poured petrol on the fires and as the regimes collapsed the extremists once kept under check quickly filled the void.
Who are these people that were happy shooting each other until the US interfered?
What the fuck are you talking about?
In 2003 the US launched an unprovoked attack of the Iraqi people. It tortured thousands of innocent people, killed thousands of innocents, destroyed an entire nation and unleashed ISIS.
And now we live with the aftermath of that illegal invasion and all those US crimes.
To not see it is to be deliberately ignorant and worthless.
You mean to see it through your eyes don't you?Who are these people that were happy shooting each other until the US interfered?
What the fuck are you talking about?
In 2003 the US launched an unprovoked attack of the Iraqi people. It tortured thousands of innocent people, killed thousands of innocents, destroyed an entire nation and unleashed ISIS.
And now we live with the aftermath of that illegal invasion and all those US crimes.
To not see it is to be deliberately ignorant and worthless.
Estimates of deaths due to sanctions[edit]
The Western so called cure for Iraq in terms of sanctions and then regime change was far worse than what existed before. There is a case to suggest Bush, Blair et al be tried on charges of genocide.
Big problem: Those sanction deaths were because Saddam was cheating on the sanctions--selling food for money to buy weapons and refusing to spend oil-for-food money in the first place in order to make his people suffer and the bleeding hearts to blame the sanctions rather than him. The real number of sanction deaths is far lower.
The Western so called cure for Iraq in terms of sanctions and then regime change was far worse than what existed before. There is a case to suggest Bush, Blair et al be tried on charges of genocide.
Because Saddam wanted his people to suffer.
I've posted this before somewhere, but I totally agree that the invasion of Iraq by G W Bush and his minions of coalition of the willing, was most likely the biggest blunder of the century, perhaps since the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in WW2.
But I still stick with my claim that even if Bush didn't invade, ISIS would still have arisen, perhaps not in Iraq, but in neighbouring Syria.
It doesn't alter the facts though does it?Your deliberate and willful turning away from the facts sickens me.
You are the problem, no solution.
It doesn't alter the facts though does it?Your deliberate and willful turning away from the facts sickens me.
You are the problem, no solution.
I've posted this before somewhere, but I totally agree that the invasion of Iraq by G W Bush and his minions of coalition of the willing, was most likely the biggest blunder of the century, perhaps since the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in WW2.
But I still stick with my claim that even if Bush didn't invade, ISIS would still have arisen, perhaps not in Iraq, but in neighbouring Syria.
It's rare for me to agree with Untermensche but he is correct here. The US invasion of Iraq and it's stumbling occupation thereafter was probably the worst US foreign policy blunder in our history.It doesn't alter the facts though does it?
You are right.
You ignoring facts won't change them.
Not seeing that the massive US invasion of Iraq is a major cause of current unrest, and the real immorality in all of this, is to be blind.
It doesn't alter the facts though does it?
You are right.
You ignoring facts won't change them.
Not seeing that the massive US invasion of Iraq is a major cause of current unrest, and the real immorality in all of this, is to be blind.
Big problem: Those sanction deaths were because Saddam was cheating on the sanctions--selling food for money to buy weapons and refusing to spend oil-for-food money in the first place in order to make his people suffer and the bleeding hearts to blame the sanctions rather than him. The real number of sanction deaths is far lower.
Because Saddam wanted his people to suffer.
Saddam had plenty of weapons, I understand (and may be wrong) the Oil for food program provided 33 cents for each man woman and child.
Despite is barbarity before the invasion, Iraq much worse off then before.
If we are looking at the taking over of Iraq, the US acted sloppily. Instead of removing the entire army and putting many into opposition, it could have retained the army and civil services with its appointed puppet at the fore. You will find this in Sun Tze(it is best to capture an army intact) and also this is the way the former colonialists operated.
There is no evidence Saddam particularly wanted his people to suffer for something that was already causing this.