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Interesting context of this 34% number:

...he describes as “alarming” the finding that only 34% of Muslims would report someone to the police who was involved with people who support terrorism in Syria. But for the survey’s “control” group – consisting of randomly selected people from across the country of all or no faiths – the figure is only 30%. And other polls have found that 94% of British Muslims would report someone they knew who was planning an act of violence to the police.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us

As to how worried we should be about the results of the poll: these are just people's opinions. Having opinions, even ones that we consider vile, is not against the law nor is it worth getting bothered about, unless and until they translate into political power.

There are no Islamic political parties in Europe. The small number of Muslims who are politically active are members of the existing mainstream parties and support their programs. The rapid rise of the far-right populist parties across the continent and the associated threat to our civil liberties is a far bigger worry than the private opinions of the Muslim minority. Imagine a world where the National Front gains real power in France, or UKIP in Great Britain. We would be right back in the 1930's. Such parties now have popular support in the region of 20 - 30%!

Call me when there are established Muslim parties in Europe that gain more than a few percent of the popular vote in elections. We really should carefully separate facts from hysteria.
The main reason why these Ultra right wing parties are growing is because people are worried about mass migration of muslims to the West. The neo cons tell the voters what they want to hear.
 
It seems the polls contradict each other by too wide a margin to be taken seriously.

With regard to the 34% of Muslims vs. 30% of the control group, both numbers came from the same poll.

I mean Polls from Muslims. But certainly this calls for more surveys to print polls of other groups.
 
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you, with absolutely no sincerity.

It seems the polls contradict each other by too wide a margin to be taken seriously.
There are still some reservations about gay people but there are also non Muslims who have that problem. I guess we can dispense with the polls and start looking again.

Yes, if the data conflict with our preconceptions, then it is important that we elevate any inconsistencies to the point where we feel justified in discarding the data altogether. Only if we have data that supports our prejudices should we accept it without question.

How else will we prove our biases to be justified?
 
It seems the polls contradict each other by too wide a margin to be taken seriously.
There are still some reservations about gay people but there are also non Muslims who have that problem. I guess we can dispense with the polls and start looking again.

Yes, if the data conflict with our preconceptions, then it is important that we elevate any inconsistencies to the point where we feel justified in discarding the data altogether. Only if we have data that supports our prejudices should we accept it without question.

How else will we prove our biases to be justified?

Polls can be tailor made of course.
 
Germany's answer to the question of "how do we integrate teh muslims?" is to pass a law and make them integrate;

Merkel said:
“We will have a German national law on integration. This is the first time this has happened in post-war Germany,” Mrs Merkel told a press conference in Berlin. “We will take a series of measures which make it clear it is a duty to integrate.”

Telegraph

Oh dear, this is not going to end well.
 
Germany's answer to the question of "how do we integrate teh muslims?" is to pass a law and make them integrate;

Merkel said:
“We will have a German national law on integration. This is the first time this has happened in post-war Germany,” Mrs Merkel told a press conference in Berlin. “We will take a series of measures which make it clear it is a duty to integrate.”

Telegraph

Oh dear, this is not going to end well.

How do you enforce integration. Should all immigrant men wear those ridiculous lederhosen? The Chinese didn't integrate in the countries the went to but that didn't cause a problem. The law should be about obeying the laws. The problem of course is mass immigration where Germany is now receiving gangs from Romania and Morocco.
 
Sicily has 2,000 "refugees" arriving every day.

Arrivals to the island have increased by 90 per cent in the first three months of the year. In the last three days alone, more than 6,000 migrants have arrived on its shores.

DailyMail

And as Donald Tusk says, "it's a never ending story".
 
Sharia, couldn't possibly happen in Europe, could it ?

Germany will allow the potential prosecution of a top comedian after the Turkish president filed a complaint. Jan Boehmermann had recited a satirical poem on television which made sexual references to Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Under German law, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government had to approve a criminal inquiry. Mrs Merkel stressed that the courts would have the final word, and it was now up to prosecutors to decide whether to press charges.

BBC

Don't bet on it.
 
Sharia, couldn't possibly happen in Europe, could it ?

Germany will allow the potential prosecution of a top comedian after the Turkish president filed a complaint. Jan Boehmermann had recited a satirical poem on television which made sexual references to Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Under German law, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government had to approve a criminal inquiry. Mrs Merkel stressed that the courts would have the final word, and it was now up to prosecutors to decide whether to press charges.

BBC

Don't bet on it.

How does a German law dating back to formation of the German Empire have anything to do with Sharia?
 
How does a German law dating back to formation of the German Empire have anything to do with Sharia?

The point is that the government is kowtowing to Islam in using an archaic law to prosecute him.

Islamic tribunals are legal in the UK but should be governed by the 1996 Arbitration Act. Looking at the UK there have been Jewish arbitration tribunals (courts) for hundreds of years. The penalty for bigamy is 2 mother in laws.

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Another nail in the coffin of the once great Western Culture's submission to Islam!

There are two issues. See my post just before this one. The other issue is that we will most like become Islamic societies within 100 years.
 
Whatever some may think of the source, there's so much truth in this article.

Fuck you, fuck your hate site links and fuck all the other assholes who post shit like that. If the rules were actually enforced around here, you'd be banned by now and this thread would be closed like it should have been months ago.
 
Whatever some may think of the source, there's so much truth in this article.

Fuck you, fuck your hate site links and fuck all the other assholes who post shit like that. If the rules were actually enforced around here, you'd be banned by now and this thread would be closed like it should have been months ago.
That's the idea. Behead all those who who want to express views contrary to your own!
 
Fuck you, fuck your hate site links and fuck all the other assholes who post shit like that. If the rules were actually enforced around here, you'd be banned by now and this thread would be closed like it should have been months ago.
That's the idea. Behead all those who who want to express views contrary to your own!

In some societies, losing one's head means something different than how we understand it in the West.

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Whatever some may think of the source, there's so much truth in this article.

Fuck you, fuck your hate site links and fuck all the other assholes who post shit like that. If the rules were actually enforced around here, you'd be banned by now and this thread would be closed like it should have been months ago.

Free speech, why not.
 
Sharia, couldn't possibly happen in Europe, could it ?

Germany will allow the potential prosecution of a top comedian after the Turkish president filed a complaint. Jan Boehmermann had recited a satirical poem on television which made sexual references to Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Under German law, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government had to approve a criminal inquiry. Mrs Merkel stressed that the courts would have the final word, and it was now up to prosecutors to decide whether to press charges.

BBC

Don't bet on it.

Turkeys doing a lot better under its own laws

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...efends-allowing-1845-insult-cases-to-go-ahead
1,845 Erdoğan insult cases opened in Turkey since 2014

There are a lot more links to that.
So much for Turkey's modern reforms.
 
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