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Easiest way to achieve that is for them to stay home. Unless what you are saying is that their own culture is oppressing them, the one they are trying to import to UK.

Hopefully they will not encounter a lot of small minded bigots with ideas like this.

That will make this a negative.

While it could easily be a huge positive. These are incredibly decent and caring people after all coming from the ME.
What evidence do you have that they are any more decent and caring than the brits? Or the previous arrivals for that matter? Or is it that as soon as they arrive the corrupting influence of the British soil will turn shed them of all their decency and caring?

If they were decent and caring, they'd have the decency to care about British laws when entering the country.
 
Hopefully they will not encounter a lot of small minded bigots with ideas like this.

That will make this a negative.

While it could easily be a huge positive. These are incredibly decent and caring people after all coming from the ME.
What evidence do you have that they are any more decent and caring than the brits? Or the previous arrivals for that matter? Or is it that as soon as they arrive the corrupting influence of the British soil will turn shed them of all their decency and caring?

If they were decent and caring, they'd have the decency to care about British laws when entering the country.

Most Brits are caring and decent people too.

I see no problem here.
 
Of course, unless the ABC or Al Jazera, SBS or perhaps Fairfax reports it, its just right wing, or for the most part, centre right its all propaganda isn't it?

Islam's 9/11 attack was just like Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Both deserved the same retaliation.

Ah, I see.

So that's why you attacked a totally different country that had no part in the attack on your nation, and then went out and eliminated the actual attacker several years later. I was wondering.
 
OLD SCHOOL: Manifest Destiny //// NEW AGE: Many Fuzzy Dust Bunnies
Hey, if you think whether they're a separate species is unimportant, feel free to abandon your claim.
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You're assuming facts not in evidence. What makes you think Neanderthals lived by killing and robbing modern humans any more than vice versa? That's the sort of statistic that doesn't fossilize well.
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Who benefits if we don't push these unevolved, useless, obstructive, and predatory groups out of the way? Who turned them loose on us and inhibited our natural reaction?
I'll take that as abandoning your claim that Southeast Asians are a separate species. So, addressing your new points... Those groups are just as evolved as your own is -- evolution is able to multitask. Evaluation of a group as useless is a purely subjective matter. You have no use for them; well, they probably have no use for you either. And you appear to be arguing that your group's natural reaction to them is to obstruct them and practice predation upon them, which calls into question whether those groups actually are any more obstructive and predatory than your own. Finally, on what grounds do you regard the "Manifest Destiny" reaction as an iota more "natural" than the "Many Fuzzy Dust Bunnies" reaction? Both are the consequence of most people unthinkingly reacting to situations in whatever way their respective Lamarckian-evolved cultures have preadapted them to react.
 
Celebrate the vibrancy!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330247/Sweden-flames-As-gangs-migrants-riot-nights-running--Utopian-boats-multicultural-success-story-turn-ashes.html#ixzz3nnwzwtjX

Lars Bystrom, a Stockholm police spokesman, said: ‘Such fires are mainly lit to lure the police to the scene, who are then attacked.’
He admitted officers have been forced to change their tactics, saying: ‘Now if there is a small fire that is not likely to spread, and there is no risk to life, we will send out a patrol and keep an eye on it from a distance.
‘But we are not going to bring in the fire brigade unless it’s really dangerous.’
The attacks on emergency service workers have led to private security companies telling employees to stay at home, as mobs have started attacking anyone wearing a uniform.
Several public transport routes have also been cancelled after rioters started hurling petrol bombs at buses.

What? You think this is still your country? Silly Swedes.

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Hey, fair crack of the whip! Not so fast. Give it half a century or so! Some EU countries already have up to 20% non westerners.

Hey look, another bullshit figure!

In point of fact, there is no EU country that has a population of 20% non-westerners; either by looking at the percentage of non-western immigrants, or even by looking at ethnic demographics.

Okay, okay... that isn't ENTIRELY true...

...Estonia has 25% Russians.
https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/demographics_pew.gif?w=435&h=585
 
Hey look, another bullshit figure!

In point of fact, there is no EU country that has a population of 20% non-westerners; either by looking at the percentage of non-western immigrants, or even by looking at ethnic demographics.

Okay, okay... that isn't ENTIRELY true...

...Estonia has 25% Russians.
https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/demographics_pew.gif?w=435&h=585

So your "support" for the claim "Some EU countries already have up to 20% non westerners" is a graph showing that the maximum Muslim population in any of the countries shown is about 7.5% (France); and that the projected maximum for those countries in 2030 is around 10% - about a HALF of what you claimed for 'non westerners' RIGHT NOW??

Do you even evidence?
 

I think it's populistic tripe. It's not like there aren't people who have studied immigration. We have plenty of research. All of it positive. Immigration is always good. Even short term problems are rare and minute. But it's normal to be xenophobic. I think she's just using that to get votes. Cynical and populistic.
Immigration has always benefitted the host country as they generally take the jobs the natives shun. In the case of Moslems, that's completely turned upside down. In my country for example, more than 85% of asylum seekers granted asylum, are still collecting government benefits five years, and in most cases, even longer. A huge burden on any country's budget!
 
Islam's 9/11 attack was just like Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Both deserved the same retaliation.

9/11 occurred as retaliation.

Retaliation for what? We hadn't done anything that actually harmed Bin Laden's interests.

What happened is that he saw that we would stand in the way of his plans and thus he realized he had to drive us off first.
 
9/11 occurred as retaliation.

Retaliation for what? We hadn't done anything that actually harmed Bin Laden's interests.

What happened is that he saw that we would stand in the way of his plans and thus he realized he had to drive us off first.

Nothing will justify 911 but the motivations of the people who did it are mainly the presence of the US in their homeland.

US bases in Saudi Arabia
 
Retaliation for what? We hadn't done anything that actually harmed Bin Laden's interests.

What happened is that he saw that we would stand in the way of his plans and thus he realized he had to drive us off first.

Nothing will justify 911 but the motivations of the people who did it are mainly the presence of the US in their homeland.

US bases in Saudi Arabia
Yeah, unforgivable. The gall of the US to place troops in Saudi Arabia at the request of the Saudi government to protect them from Saddam's army. But you are right, that was what Ben Laden said was the reason.
 
Nothing will justify 911 but the motivations of the people who did it are mainly the presence of the US in their homeland.

US bases in Saudi Arabia
Yeah, unforgivable. The gall of the US to place troops in Saudi Arabia at the request of the Saudi government to protect them from Saddam's army. But you are right, that was what Ben Laden said was the reason.

The Saudi government is a tyranny put in place by the British and maintained by the US and others.

It doesn't express the will of the people of Saudi Arabia in any way.

So it isn't surprising that deals it makes with intrusive foreign powers looking to control resources aren't seen as valid by it's citizens.
 
The Bible and Koran are pretty much interchangeable.

So you've read both of them, then?

What do you see as the substantive differences?

It seems to me the main difference between the the Christian nations and the Muslim nations is that the Christian nations are much more powerful and have been for a long time.
 
Retaliation for what? We hadn't done anything that actually harmed Bin Laden's interests.

What happened is that he saw that we would stand in the way of his plans and thus he realized he had to drive us off first.

Nothing will justify 911 but the motivations of the people who did it are mainly the presence of the US in their homeland.

US bases in Saudi Arabia
What makes you think that 9/11 wouldn't have happened if there were no American bases in Saudi Arabia?
Moslems are taught from a very young age to hate the West. America is big Satan, and Israel the little Satan.
Many extreme fundie muslins like Osama bin Laden take that to heart. The claim it was because of US bases is pure hogwash. The bases were there when Osama was pro American and he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan!
 
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