Europe's demise

[Derec]

Why the fuck would I do any such thing?
Don't tell me what I think. If you want to know, feel free to ask.

It was a general statement, not directed only at you. It was anticipating the common apologetics for Sadiq Khan, that he was acting because of body image/body shaming that is allegedly in this ad (but not the one with a bare-chested male model), and not censorship of a bikini-clad woman motivated by Islam.

 

[bilby]

Why the fuck would I do any such thing?
Don't tell me what I think. If you want to know, feel free to ask.

It was a general statement, not directed only at you. It was anticipating the common apologetics for Sadiq Khan, that he was acting because of body image/body shaming that is allegedly in this ad (but not the one with a bare-chested male model), and not censorship of a bikini-clad woman motivated by Islam.

Yeah, the general term for this is "Poisoning the well fallacy".

 

[Derec]

Perhaps you should start liking something less simplistic, less childish, less emotion driven, and less, well, cartoonish.

Cartoons have a long history of use to express political opinions. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
I see nothing wrong with use of cartoons to punctuate an opinion.

 

[Derec]

populations hostile to the European way of life

[citation needed]

(From a non-racist non-idiot source)

 

[Derec]

Yeah, the general term for this is "Poisoning the well fallacy".

No, just experience from previous discussions on this matter, where this apologetics was advanced.

What is your opinion of Khan's bikini censorship?

 

[bilby]

Perhaps you should start liking something less simplistic, less childish, less emotion driven, and less, well, cartoonish.

Cartoons have a long history of use to express political opinions. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
I see nothing wrong with use of cartoons to punctuate an opinion.

I know you don't.

 

[steve_bank]

The Japanese penis festival, now that is a parade.

423 Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos, High-Res Pictures, and Images - Getty Images

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The Kanamara Matsuri (かなまら祭り or ”Festival of the Steel Phallus”) is one of the most unusual festivals in Japan. Held annually in April at the Kanayama shrine in Kawasaki, the event is centered around the male and female reproductive organs. Not surprisingly, it draws a huge crowd, with the majority clearly foreigners who flock from all corners of the world to gawk and giggle at this unique event. The penis, the central theme of the event, is reflected in illustrations, candy, carved vegetables, decorations, and a mikoshi (portable shrine) parade.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The Japanese penis festival, now that is a parade.

D

Post in thread 'Europe's demise'

Mar 1, 2025

Anyway, the bitter and whining OP from you know who is just the usual gaslighting. Europe needs immigrants because of its sharply falling birth rates.

Then Europe needs to increase its birth rates to replacement levels and not wholesale import populations hostile to the European way of life.

Italy especially is withering away. If, in a few hundred years — and if civilization survives the same climate change that the author of the OP denies — Europe is largely Muslim, I bet they will be just fine, along the lines of multicultural Muslim Spain.

This is typical leftist...

• Derec

423 Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos, High-Res Pictures, and Images - Getty Images

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The Kanamara Matsuri (かなまら祭り or ”Festival of the Steel Phallus”) is one of the most unusual festivals in Japan. Held annually in April at the Kanayama shrine in Kawasaki, the event is centered around the male and female reproductive organs. Not surprisingly, it draws a huge crowd, with the majority clearly foreigners who flock from all corners of the world to gawk and giggle at this unique event. The penis, the central theme of the event, is reflected in illustrations, candy, carved vegetables, decorations, and a mikoshi (portable shrine) parade.

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A new form of rigid mental anxiety called "post-parade inadequacy" has arisen from this event... or surely it wouldn't be hard to see why.

 

[Patooka]

Doesn't tell us anything because the people who actually have the skills, ability, and intelligence to immigrate will also be in the top tier of talent who can start business and create a lot of wealth. Those start ups would have nothing at all to do with their culture, race, or diversity. Furthermore, the few indigenous talented people who already do live in the US would be able to afford (unlike an immigrate) to just sit around and produce nothing especially with a welfare government the US now has.

How the fuck do you reconcile that with your bullshit rhetoric about how bad Citizens United is? Because either you believe Citizens United makes it easier to astroturf or you don't.

I'll make thing simple for you - you love Citizens United because you like the secret "leg up" it provides. Jimmy Dore, Tim Pool, Russel Brand etc have all benefitted from Citizens United.

And if you are still ignorant about Tenent Media, let me know. I will educate you, by the way.

 

[Politesse]

Las Vegas has no redeeming features in terms of habitability of climate. It exists only because people choose to dump huge sums of money there, and with enough money, humans can live almost anywhere.

It was actually a perfectly fine meadowed valley before a European style city was plopped on top of it, as its name correctly suggests. Lovely country, still, if you turn around and look at the hills instead of the mess. They just overbuilt.

 

[steve_bank]

European style cities?

Egypt, Rome, Greece, Mayans, Incas were all prolific boulders. They all built to the limits of their resources and as ostentatious as possible. Not on the scale of today there was pollution and toxic waste.

 

[steve_bank]

The Japanese penis festival, now that is a parade.

D

Post in thread 'Europe's demise'

Mar 1, 2025

Anyway, the bitter and whining OP from you know who is just the usual gaslighting. Europe needs immigrants because of its sharply falling birth rates.

Then Europe needs to increase its birth rates to replacement levels and not wholesale import populations hostile to the European way of life.

Italy especially is withering away. If, in a few hundred years — and if civilization survives the same climate change that the author of the OP denies — Europe is largely Muslim, I bet they will be just fine, along the lines of multicultural Muslim Spain.

This is typical leftist...

• Derec

423 Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos, High-Res Pictures, and Images - Getty Images

Explore Authentic Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos & Images For Your Project Or Campaign. Less Searching, More Finding With Getty Images.

www.gettyimages.com

The Kanamara Matsuri (かなまら祭り or ”Festival of the Steel Phallus”) is one of the most unusual festivals in Japan. Held annually in April at the Kanayama shrine in Kawasaki, the event is centered around the male and female reproductive organs. Not surprisingly, it draws a huge crowd, with the majority clearly foreigners who flock from all corners of the world to gawk and giggle at this unique event. The penis, the central theme of the event, is reflected in illustrations, candy, carved vegetables, decorations, and a mikoshi (portable shrine) parade.

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A new form of rigid mental anxiety called "post-parade inadequacy" has arisen from this event... or surely it wouldn't be hard to see why.

From Christianity in the USA we have been wrapped way too tight on sex. Now we are going to the opposite extreme.

 

[Politesse]

European style cities?

Egypt, Rome, Greece, Mayans, Incas were all prolific boulders. They all built to the limits of their resources and as ostentatious as possible. Not on the scale of today there was pollution and toxic waste.

I would describe Las Vegas as a European style city, yes. As opposed to, say, the Southern Paiute style settlements that preceded it in the region. You seem to have taken my statement to mean that I think cities only exist in Europe, but I was only describing the general pattern of development that characterizes culturally European polities. Mesoamerican cities are not the same in basic shape and structure, and have their own strengths and weaknesses. Nuwuvi cities didn't exist at all before colonization, not because they were ignorant of ths concept - they happily traded with their more urban cousins down on the Virgin River - but because the urban strategy is at odds with the realities of their homeland.

 

[ideologyhunter]

The Japanese penis festival, now that is a parade.

423 Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos, High-Res Pictures, and Images - Getty Images

Explore Authentic Kanamara Matsuri Stock Photos & Images For Your Project Or Campaign. Less Searching, More Finding With Getty Images.

www.gettyimages.com

The Kanamara Matsuri (かなまら祭り or ”Festival of the Steel Phallus”) is one of the most unusual festivals in Japan. Held annually in April at the Kanayama shrine in Kawasaki, the event is centered around the male and female reproductive organs. Not surprisingly, it draws a huge crowd, with the majority clearly foreigners who flock from all corners of the world to gawk and giggle at this unique event. The penis, the central theme of the event, is reflected in illustrations, candy, carved vegetables, decorations, and a mikoshi (portable shrine) parade.

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She's gonna be a tad disappointed on her wedding night.

 

[Bronzeage]

Can you think of anything multicultural besides food and music that has had a positive influence on our societies?

I wonder how mixing people from different parts of the world had changed how we see things such as:

• Our attitudes towards work and leisure
• How we treat our family and friends
• Religiosity
• The role of government in people's lives
• Tolerance of people who are different
• Intellectualism
• Social class

It's easy to point to something like Vietnamese food and say "that shit's amazing, and we wouldn't have that without Vietnamese immigrants".
But beyond a lack of good food, I wonder what trajectory my country would have taken if we had persisted with a whites-only - and therefore cultural homogeneous - immigration policy.

How about all the businesses started by immigrants, either first or second generation? Many of the world's most valuable companies were founded by immigrants in the US, raising wages and creating a lot of wealth.

The focus of the OP is about illegal immigration. If one the world's most valuable companies was started by an illegal immigrant in the US, I would like to hear about it. Most people don't have a problem with legal immigration done according to our laws, in particular, TSwizzle, who is a legal immigrant to the US himself.

It's funny you should phrase it that way, almost as if you want people to point out Elon Musk, our richest violator of immigration laws never founded any company.

I have to disagree with your last statement. Plenty of people have a problem with legal immigration because it drives up wages for the jobs American citizens will not do. A documented worker can compete for the jobs Americans will do and demand the same pay. This tends to be non-itinerant jobs in a factory or other easy to raid place, so management will require some kind of document, at least to show they tried.

The truly undocumented immigrant has to move with the harvest and seldom stays in on workplace more than a few weeks. They are in a very weak position with few options. If the number of undocumented workers declines, free market forces will drive up wages as Immigration law violators compete for undocumented workers. They definitely will have a problem because those tomatoes aren't going to pick themselves.

 

[barbos]

So in regard to London "our capital celebrates its diversity", whilst in USA the capital is collapsing into being the centre of a theocratic dictatorial state. So which country is in demise
Europe doesn't need Trump's "help". That would be like saying a house owner needs an arsonist's help, or a town needs a serial killer's help, or that a well -run profitable company needs the "help" of a dysfunctional accountant.
It is USA that actually needs help, and this it will have to do for itself because it is beyond help from anyone else.

Not trying to defend Christianity but it is more-less a known virus with which people in the west have been living for 2000 years and developed immunity. Whereas Islam is not entirely known entity and the strain which is usually imported is not the mild one which is spread in the origin countries.

 

[laughing dog]

Can you think of anything multicultural besides food and music that has had a positive influence on our societies?

I wonder how mixing people from different parts of the world had changed how we see things such as:

• Our attitudes towards work and leisure
• How we treat our family and friends
• Religiosity
• The role of government in people's lives
• Tolerance of people who are different
• Intellectualism
• Social class

It's easy to point to something like Vietnamese food and say "that shit's amazing, and we wouldn't have that without Vietnamese immigrants".
But beyond a lack of good food, I wonder what trajectory my country would have taken if we had persisted with a whites-only - and therefore cultural homogeneous - immigration policy.

How about all the businesses started by immigrants, either first or second generation? Many of the world's most valuable companies were founded by immigrants in the US, raising wages and creating a lot of wealth.

The focus of the OP is about illegal immigration. If one the world's most valuable companies was started by an illegal immigrant in the US, I would like to hear about it. Most people don't have a problem with legal immigration done according to our laws, in particular, TSwizzle, who is a legal immigrant to the US himself.

It's funny you should phrase it that way, almost as if you want people to point out Elon Musk, our richest violator of immigration laws never founded any company.

I have to disagree with your last statement. Plenty of people have a problem with legal immigration because it drives up wages for the jobs American citizens will not do. A documented worker can compete for the jobs Americans will do and demand the same pay. This tends to be non-itinerant jobs in a factory or other easy to raid place, so management will require some kind of document, at least to show they tried.

The truly undocumented immigrant has to move with the harvest and seldom stays in on workplace more than a few weeks. They are in a very weak position with few options. If the number of undocumented workers declines, free market forces will drive up wages as Immigration law violators compete for undocumented workers. They definitely will have a problem because those tomatoes aren't going to pick themselves.

Undocumented immigrants also tend to stand out because they are a different color which makes them easy targets for white nationalists and their ilk.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How about all the businesses started by immigrants, either first or second generation? Many of the world's most valuable companies were founded by immigrants in the US, raising wages and creating a lot of wealth.

Doesn't tell us anything because the people who actually have the skills, ability, and intelligence to immigrate will also be in the top tier of talent who can start business and create a lot of wealth. Those start ups would have nothing at all to do with their culture, race, or diversity. Furthermore, the few indigenous talented people who already do live in the US would be able to afford (unlike an immigrate) to just sit around and produce nothing especially with a welfare government the US now has.

It tells us a lot--because those who pull up stakes and move across the world are on average better than the ones who don't. Someone who doesn't feel they can land on their feet when dropped into an alien world is not going to do so other than out of great desperation. Thus there's a huge selection process in who chooses to go. Immigrants outperform locals. (And note the flip side--any place that an awful lot of people leave from is left with the dregs.)

My wife is one of those who took the leap when the opportunity presented itself--it was not an easy time for her. Some of her relatives were handed it on a silver platter--and didn't.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Large parts of India and China, the two most populous nations in the world, are likely to be rendered uninhabitable by climate change.

Large parts of China are currently uninhabitable, for a given value of 'uninhabitable'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobi_Desert

India is unlikely to become uninhabitable, but routine failure of the monsoon rains could easily slash the agricultural capacity of the sub-continent, making it unviable to support a largely agrarian economy of over a billion people.

There's also the problem that there are many places on Earth that come awfully close to the human survival limit (and probably beyond for the more vulnerable.)

Interactive Map: Daily Maximum Wet-Bulb Temperature (°C)

A new study shows that extreme, sometimes potentially fatal, mixtures of heat and humidity are emerging across the globe. This interactive map shows documented instances as measured on the 'wet bulb' scale.

news.climate.columbia.edu

By an optimistic measure the survival limit is 35C wet bulb. That's pure survival, accomplishing absolutely nothing. If you actually are going to do anything it's lower and the limit is more theoretical in that it assumes the body has an infinite capacity to cool--but that's not reality. Across most of the curve one or more body systems peg before that point. Look how many points in that part of the world are close to the limit and remember that warming brings more extreme extremes. It wouldn't take much to have big areas where there is the rare afternoon where you have AC or a lot of thermal mass or death. And if one day in a thousand is unsurvivable is the place inhabitable??

I also have my suspicions about the accuracy of that map. China has a law about worker protections if it goes over 40C. Strange how often the weather is just below the threshold...

Of course, a large part of North America is uninhabitable too; People either don't live there at all, or live by the gift of extensive infrastructure and efficient transport of goods and people, while using communications systems to link their communities to more habitable regions. Las Vegas has no redeeming features in terms of habitability of climate. It exists only because people choose to dump huge sums of money there, and with enough money, humans can live almost anywhere.

Yup. I often head out into that desert in the sane part of the year. It's useless land because there's no water.

The sad truth of Climate Change is that the wealthy can insulate themselves from it for a long time. And the wealthy are the only ones who can do something about it. Which they won't, until it's gotten so bad that they can no longer hide behind their wealth - at which point it will be far too late.

Yeah, they won't care until they run low on peons.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Japanese penis festival, now that is a parade.

Probably the world's most dickish festival.