Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

[Nice Squirrel]

So what do we have:

1. Injured during arrest
2. Injured in the van before shackling
3. Previous surgery (refuted, but still advocated)
4. Fall from a building (proposed, not refuted)
5. Beaten by police
6. Not seat belted in and driven erratically
7. Beat himself up
8. Shackled and thrown into the van.
9. Hit head on bolt (while beating himself up)
10. Head slammed on bolt by officer
11. Head slammed on bolt while unbelted in the van
12. Accidental head contact with bolt
13. Beat up in jail

Any additions?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Why would you suspect surgery had been performed in the first place? What makes it a plausible scenario? And what makes it more plausible than a fall from a building?

The case in the court record was that Gray had an accident and they sued the home builder that the lead paint in the house caused further damages and they won the case and were given a summary. They then wanted to collect a lump sum instead of cash every month. He could have surgery any time after to fix his problems. The question is did he or did he not. That can't be refuted by the court case there. But the burden of proof would be to establish that he did have surgery.

Citation. Because last time I checked lead paint does not cause spine fractures and the court records do not indicate there was a spinal injury.

 

[ksen]

14. Spilled his Mt. Dew, slipped on wet skittles and hit his head on the bolt.
15. Al Sharpton.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The case in the court record was that Gray had an accident and they sued the home builder that the lead paint in the house caused further damages and they won the case and were given a summary. They then wanted to collect a lump sum instead of cash every month. He could have surgery any time after to fix his problems. The question is did he or did he not. That can't be refuted by the court case there. But the burden of proof would be to establish that he did have surgery.

Citation. Because last time I checked lead paint does not cause spine fractures and the court records do not indicate there was a spinal injury.

Gray was the one who wrote auto accident as one of the reasons for the settlement. His sister wrote other.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Citation. Because last time I checked lead paint does not cause spine fractures and the court records do not indicate there was a spinal injury.

Gray was the one who wrote auto accident as one of the reasons for the settlement. His sister wrote other.

Please continue. What auto accident? What were the dates?

 

[coloradoatheist]

Gray was the one who wrote auto accident as one of the reasons for the settlement. His sister wrote other.

Please continue. What auto accident? What were the dates?

The sister wrote things between 94/99 but it wasn't clear. Gray wrote, but he can't say why he wrote those things. The full autopsy can refute several things and put probabilities on the items listed above.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

1994?
1999?

Usually you get treated for auto injury accidents before you collect a settlement (and the lawyers for the plaintiffs states there were no claims of spinal injuries in this case).

 

[Trausti]

Also from the Guardian story:

The video footage of the previously undisclosed van stop was filmed by cameras above the entrance to CR Grocery, a shop on the corner of the two streets mentioned by police.

Jung Hwang, the owner of the shop, told the Guardian on Thursday that detectives visited him one day last week following Gray’s death and appeared to take copies of the footage that was stored on his laptop computer.

However the shop was then looted during Monday’s unrest, said the shop owner, who is Korean and speaks little English. “The laptop was stolen,” he said.

Well. that's a shame.

It's a good thing the mayor gave the looters "space for those who wish to destroy."

 

[coloradoatheist]

1994?
1999?

It wasn't clear from the article, but that is what it said she wrote about her accident for the settlement.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

1994?
1999?

It wasn't clear from the article, but that is what it said she wrote about her accident for the settlement.

Well it's pretty clear in the article:

As children, Gray and his two sisters were found to have damaging lead levels in their blood, which led to educational, behavioral and medical problems, according to a lawsuit they filed in 2008 against the owner of a Sandtown-Winchester home the family rented for four years.

Those years would have been from 1994 to 1999. Pretty straightforward stuff/

 

[coloradoatheist]

It wasn't clear from the article, but that is what it said she wrote about her accident for the settlement.

Well it's pretty clear in the article:

As children, Gray and his two sisters were found to have damaging lead levels in their blood, which led to educational, behavioral and medical problems, according to a lawsuit they filed in 2008 against the owner of a Sandtown-Winchester home the family rented for four years.

Those years would have been from 1994 to 1999. Pretty straightforward stuff/

I don't argue. But Gray also wrote Workplace accidents and auto accident as the reason for his settlement. So you are dismissing that he had a car accident at some point and never possibly had spinal surgery after it to correct problems he had prior.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

if he had spinal surgery prior to the event.

Why are people waiting for this evidence if nobody except a unreliable blogger claims it?

If I post that he fell out a 30-story building the day before on a random blog and my evidence is refuted by reporters are folks like you going to keep waiting to hear about his fall out of a 30-story building?

We have a lack of evidence for the surgical story but no rebuttal so far. That "rebuttal" pertained to the structured settlement, not the surgery. Since an injury recent enough to be doing surgery on wouldn't be settled yet the structured settlement wouldn't have had anything to do with it.

 

[RavenSky]

Wait, we're saying that a second prisoner was added to a separate section of a van after the events of the arrest and after a 25 minute drive and that in those five minutes, he heard a guy who we know from later facts is in the process of dying from a severed spinal cord and breathing problems, he heard the guy banging?

What ON EARTH do you suppose might be the explanation?
Maybe he's desperate for help and having trouble breathing!
Maybe he's trying to injure himself!
Could it be... SATAN!?

Maybe he was already unconscious and his limp body was flying around his section of the van.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why are people waiting for this evidence if nobody except a unreliable blogger claims it?

If I post that he fell out a 30-story building the day before on a random blog and my evidence is refuted by reporters are folks like you going to keep waiting to hear about his fall out of a 30-story building?

We have a lack of evidence for the surgical story but no rebuttal so far. That "rebuttal" pertained to the structured settlement, not the surgery. Since an injury recent enough to be doing surgery on wouldn't be settled yet the structured settlement wouldn't have had anything to do with it.

What surgery?!

 

[RavenSky]

It is now being reported that the police investigation confirms that Freddie Gray died due to injuries he received while inside the van - specifically from his head being slammed into a bolt inside the van. This refutes claims that he died due to injuries sustained before he was put in the van or injuries sustained in fictional surgery years before he was arrested.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-inquiry-freddie-gray-death-article-1.2204988

Aside from the detail of the bolt, the police investigation reports supports what I've said from the start. What I found interesting was the map timeline included in the article linked above.

Where Freddie Gray was arrested was the same street where he was also put in leg irons and -most importantly - the same street the police station is located. It was a straight drive from point of arrest to police station, no turns needed. So how the hell did the police van end up on the other side of town at a location that required multiple street turns and that was nowhere near the original arrest spot or the police station. This is the stop that police failed to report until they had to because it was caught on a street camera.

Then they drove BACK to the original point of arrest (about a block from it) to put the second man in the back of the van (the man police claimed said he heard Freddie Gray trying to injure himself), and then finally drove to the police station where it was "discovered" that Freddie Gray had stopped breathing and paramedics were finally called.

This nonsensical route does seem to support the earliest contention that police took Freddie Gray on a wild ride designed to toss him around the back of the van. Note, this unexplained detour with multiple unneeded turns took place after they stopped the second time and put him in leg irons.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is now being reported that the police investigation confirms that Freddie Gray died due to injuries he received while inside the van - specifically from his head being slammed into a bolt inside the van. This refutes claims that he died due to injuries sustained before he was put in the van or injuries sustained in fictional surgery years before he was arrested.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-inquiry-freddie-gray-death-article-1.2204988

Aside from the detail of the bolt, the police investigation reports supports what I've said from the start. What I found interesting was the map timeline included in the article linked above.

Where Freddie Gray was arrested was the same street where he was also put in leg irons and -most importantly - the same street the police station is located. It was a straight drive from point of arrest to police station, no turns needed. So how the hell did the police van end up on the other side of town at a location that required multiple street turns and that was nowhere near the original arrest spot or the police station. This is the stop that police failed to report until they had to because it was caught on a street camera.

Then they drove BACK to the original point of arrest (about a block from it) to put the second man in the back of the van (the man police claimed said he heard Freddie Gray trying to injure himself), and then finally drove to the police station where it was "discovered" that Freddie Gray had stopped breathing and paramedics were finally called.

This nonsensical route does seem to support the earliest contention that police took Freddie Gray on a wild ride designed to toss him around the back of the van. Note, this unexplained detour with multiple unneeded turns took place after they stopped the second time and put him in leg irons.

That is nice and all, but you are forgetting one important thing. The Police! Therefore he tried to hurt himself.

Any word on what Hillary Clinton knew about all this and when?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Any word on what Hillary Clinton knew about all this and when?

And why didn't Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson visit Baltimore instead of vacationing in Baltimore?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Also the prisoner in the van has now "changed" his story from the one unidentified police sources told the press back to his original story that he didn't know anyone was in the other half of the van until he heard some movement and nothing indicated Gary was trying to self-inflict wounds. But he's a thugger and obviously lying to the press convincingly.

ETA: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/bal...-gray-police-are-using-me-to-cover-their-ass/

 

[Horatio Parker]

Any word on what Hillary Clinton knew about all this and when?

And why didn't Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson visit Baltimore instead of vacationing in Baltimore?

There used to be a street comic here who would say, "I live in Harlem and have a summer home in Newark."

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Also the prisoner in the van has now "changed" his story from the one unidentified police sources told the press back to his original story that he didn't know anyone was in the other half of the van until he heard some movement and nothing indicated Gary was trying to self-inflict wounds. But he's a thugger and obviously lying to the press convincingly.

Correction: he was almost not a thug until he refuted the truth he told police. Now he's a thug again.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Why are people waiting for this evidence if nobody except a unreliable blogger claims it?

If I post that he fell out a 30-story building the day before on a random blog and my evidence is refuted by reporters are folks like you going to keep waiting to hear about his fall out of a 30-story building?

We have a lack of evidence for the surgical story but no rebuttal so far. That "rebuttal" pertained to the structured settlement, not the surgery. Since an injury recent enough to be doing surgery on wouldn't be settled yet the structured settlement wouldn't have had anything to do with it.

As with the fall off the building. There is no evidence of a fall, but like the surgery, it must have happened because no evidence = probable event. Impeccable logic says so.