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Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

What is interesting is it wasn't disclosed to the Defense. What isn't interesting is that Gray didn't die from back pain.
Maybe he lied about the that injury. Boy who cried wolf syndrome. Or jail-itis.
They were bashing him around in the back of the van. That he would complain of an injury shouldn't have been a surprise.

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What is interesting is it wasn't disclosed to the Defense. What isn't interesting is that Gray didn't die from back pain.
Maybe he lied about the that injury. Boy who cried wolf syndrome. Or jail-itis.
They were bashing him around in the back of the van. That he would complain of an injury shouldn't have been a surprise.
 
Maybe he lied about the that injury. Boy who cried wolf syndrome. Or jail-itis.
They were bashing him around in the back of the van. That he would complain of an injury shouldn't have been a surprise.

You're forgetting the video that shows him being dragged into the van as if he can't use his legs--yet obviously able to walk under his own power. In other words, someone pretending to be hurt.
 
They were bashing him around in the back of the van. That he would complain of an injury shouldn't have been a surprise.

You're forgetting the video that shows him being dragged into the van as if he can't use his legs--yet obviously able to walk under his own power. In other words, someone pretending to be hurt.

So, then, you believe that the police were entirely responsible for the injuries that killed him?

Or do you believe he's faking his own death?
 
Ex-BPD commander: William Porter's handling of Freddie Gray 'reasonable'

Particularly interesting bit:
Another defense witness, Dr. Matthew Ammerman, a neurosurgeon, told the court earlier Thursday that Gray's fatal neck injury could not have happened before the police van's fourth stop, as alleged by the prosecution. The timing of the 25-year-old's fatal neck injury is key because Porter has testified that Gray didn't ask to be transported to the hospital until the fourth of six stops along the 45-minute ride to the police station. [...]
Previously Thursday, Ammerman told the court that Gray's injury was not survivable and that it would have immediately brought Gray's ability to breathe and speak to a halt, rather than affecting him progressively. "I believe he had a complete spinal cord injury at the time of injury," Ammerman said. "He couldn't say he is short of breath (after the injury) because he couldn't speak."
So it looks like he faked the injury originally and then got injured for real, sometime after the 4th stop. Talk about karma biting him in the ass!
 
Ex-BPD commander: William Porter's handling of Freddie Gray 'reasonable'

Particularly interesting bit:
Another defense witness, Dr. Matthew Ammerman, a neurosurgeon, told the court earlier Thursday that Gray's fatal neck injury could not have happened before the police van's fourth stop, as alleged by the prosecution. The timing of the 25-year-old's fatal neck injury is key because Porter has testified that Gray didn't ask to be transported to the hospital until the fourth of six stops along the 45-minute ride to the police station. [...]
Previously Thursday, Ammerman told the court that Gray's injury was not survivable and that it would have immediately brought Gray's ability to breathe and speak to a halt, rather than affecting him progressively. "I believe he had a complete spinal cord injury at the time of injury," Ammerman said. "He couldn't say he is short of breath (after the injury) because he couldn't speak."
So it looks like he faked the injury originally and then got injured for real, sometime after the 4th stop. Talk about karma biting him in the ass!

Be careful with expert witness testimony. He still died in custody. That's not Karma.
 
Ex-BPD commander: William Porter's handling of Freddie Gray 'reasonable'

Particularly interesting bit:
Another defense witness, Dr. Matthew Ammerman, a neurosurgeon, told the court earlier Thursday that Gray's fatal neck injury could not have happened before the police van's fourth stop, as alleged by the prosecution. The timing of the 25-year-old's fatal neck injury is key because Porter has testified that Gray didn't ask to be transported to the hospital until the fourth of six stops along the 45-minute ride to the police station. [...]
Previously Thursday, Ammerman told the court that Gray's injury was not survivable and that it would have immediately brought Gray's ability to breathe and speak to a halt, rather than affecting him progressively. "I believe he had a complete spinal cord injury at the time of injury," Ammerman said. "He couldn't say he is short of breath (after the injury) because he couldn't speak."
So it looks like he faked the injury originally and then got injured for real, sometime after the 4th stop. Talk about karma biting him in the ass!
Well, the good news is, based on that testimony, the injury wasn't progressive. The bad news, he died as the result of a single traumatic event while being purposefully bounced around in the van.
 
Ex-BPD commander: William Porter's handling of Freddie Gray 'reasonable'

Particularly interesting bit:

So it looks like he faked the injury originally and then got injured for real, sometime after the 4th stop. Talk about karma biting him in the ass!
Well, the good news is, based on that testimony, the injury wasn't progressive. The bad news, he died as the result of a single traumatic event while being purposefully bounced around in the van.

Did the prosecution introduce any evidence that Porter "purposefully bounced" gray around in the van? Thought the prosecution's case was that Porter was criminally indifferent to Gray's requests for help. I mean, if no evidence of that was offered before the prosecution rested its case, than it cannot be a basis for the jury's verdict.
 
Well, the good news is, based on that testimony, the injury wasn't progressive. The bad news, he died as the result of a single traumatic event while being purposefully bounced around in the van.

Did the prosecution introduce any evidence that Porter "purposefully bounced" gray around in the van?
You mean other than being put in the back of van, unbuckled, and taken for a 45 minute drive that should have taken a few minutes?
Thought the prosecution's case was that Porter was criminally indifferent to Gray's requests for help.
If Gray's injury was sudden, that definitely changes the mens rea.
 
You're forgetting the video that shows him being dragged into the van as if he can't use his legs--yet obviously able to walk under his own power. In other words, someone pretending to be hurt.

So, then, you believe that the police were entirely responsible for the injuries that killed him?

Or do you believe he's faking his own death?

I was addressing the issue of jail-itis.
 
If Gray's injury was sudden, that definitely changes the mens rea.
And shows the prosecution's case is garbage. Time to acquit.
One question, did the guy who was virtually killed in the back on the van, suffer only that single injury that led to his death?

Was there no reason to suspect he could have been legitimately hurt. And of course, the whole, if they took him out or buckled him up, he wouldn't be dead now thing.
 
And shows the prosecution's case is garbage. Time to acquit.
One question, did the guy who was virtually killed in the back on the van, suffer only that single injury that led to his death?

Was there no reason to suspect he could have been legitimately hurt. And of course, the whole, if they took him out or buckled him up, he wouldn't be dead now thing.

Even if true that's independent of what killed him. Thus an assertion that he died due to their willful neglect of his cries for help has been disproven. If the prosecution is going to bring a charge so contrary to the facts they already had I would be very reluctant to convict on any other charge, either.
 
One question, did the guy who was virtually killed in the back on the van, suffer only that single injury that led to his death?

Was there no reason to suspect he could have been legitimately hurt. And of course, the whole, if they took him out or buckled him up, he wouldn't be dead now thing.

Even if true that's independent of what killed him.

How so? He died because he was fatally injured in the back of the van during the unnecessarily long van ride in which he was not secured despite BPD policy and Maryland state law regarding the use of seat belts. The cop's indifference to the probability Gray would be injured is criminal, regardless of when exactly Gray said he was in distress.


Thus an assertion that he died due to their willful neglect of his cries for help has been disproven.

Not really. I think the defense is hoping the jury will ignore the fact that being tossed around in the back of a police van can lead to stress induced asthma. Gray could have had a great deal of difficulty breathing up to 45 minutes before he suffered the neck injury that killed him. The likely suddenness of his collapse following the injury doesn't disprove the Prosecution's contention that the driver was criminally negligent, and ultimately responsible for Gray's fatal injury.
 
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Not really. I think the defense is hoping the jury will ignore the fact that being tossed around in the back of a police van can lead to stress induced asthma. Gray could have had a great deal of difficulty breathing up to 45 minutes before he suffered the neck injury that killed him. The likely suddenness of his collapse following the injury doesn't disprove the Prosecution's contention that the driver was criminally negligent, and ultimately responsible for Gray's fatal injury.
The driver is not on trial here (he is facing the most serious charge though - they are alleging he was much more than criminally negligent). The question before the jury is whether Porter is guilty of a crime, beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Not really. I think the defense is hoping the jury will ignore the fact that being tossed around in the back of a police van can lead to stress induced asthma. Gray could have had a great deal of difficulty breathing up to 45 minutes before he suffered the neck injury that killed him. The likely suddenness of his collapse following the injury doesn't disprove the Prosecution's contention that the driver was criminally negligent, and ultimately responsible for Gray's fatal injury.
The driver is not on trial here (he is facing the most serious charge though - they are alleging he was much more than criminally negligent). The question before the jury is whether Porter is guilty of a crime, beyond a reasonable doubt.

True.

Porter is the officer who looked in on Gray part-way through the ride around. Gray told him twice that he was in need of medical assistance, but Porter did not call for EMTs or an ambulance, and did not secure Gray with a seatbelt. Gray may not have suffered the fatal neck injury before Porter saw him, but that doesn't mean he was lying about having trouble breathing or being in need of medical care, and it doesn't excuse Porter's failure to follow department policy regarding seat belts.
 
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One question, did the guy who was virtually killed in the back on the van, suffer only that single injury that led to his death?

Was there no reason to suspect he could have been legitimately hurt. And of course, the whole, if they took him out or buckled him up, he wouldn't be dead now thing.
Even if true that's independent of what killed him. Thus an assertion that he died due to their willful neglect of his cries for help has been disproven.
Not disproven, just put into doubt. Also willful neglect is what killed him in the first place. And there is no evidence presented indicating that he wasn't hurt by the van ride in the first place, only that the injury that would lead directly to his death would have incapacitated him.
If the prosecution is going to bring a charge so contrary to the facts they already had I would be very reluctant to convict on any other charge, either.
Of course you would.
 
Looks like the prosecution is getting pummeled by the defense in the Freddie Gray Trial of Officer Porter. Porter has got two big advantages: he's innocent and he's black. No way he's going down, even in this city of Police hate.

In the Zimmerman trial one could at least reasonably argue that Zimmerman made a tactical, if not legal, error in placing himself in an ambush zone, and got himself ambushed. In Porter’s case it looks increasingly like he did nothing, literally nothing, wrong in his interactions with Gray.

For illustrative purposes, let’s consider the most serious of the charges for which Porter is being tried, involuntary manslaughter (essentially the same analysis applies to the lesser charges of second-degree assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment, as well, but I only have so much time for blogging).

First let’s note that even the prosecution concedes that Porter committed no affirmative act that caused Gray harm. They are therefore attempting to convict him of involuntary manslaughter based on a failure to act, an “act of omission.”

It is, indeed, possible for a failure to act to provide the basis for involuntary manslaughter, but only where: (1)(a) there existed and (b) the defendant was aware (or should have been aware) that there existed a legal duty to act, (2) the defendant was aware the circumstances raised the legal duty, and (3) the defendant knew or should have known that the failure to meet their legal duty presented a substantial and unjustifiable risk to the victim’s life.

Note that all of these elements are necessary to reach a verdict of guilty on a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

In Porter’s case the prosecution is arguing that he violated two legal duties: (1) Porter failed to buckle Gray into the van, and (2) Porter ‘s alleged delay in providing medical care to Gray.

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(1)(a) Did there exist a legal duty to buckle Gray into the van?

The prosecution is arguing that the Baltimore Police Department’s new rule that arrestees must be buckled into police vans, enacted days before Gray’s arrest, created imposed legal duty upon Porter, and that the failure to meet that legal duty constitutes a crime.

(But) One of today’s expert witnesses for the defense was Police Chief Timothy Longo, of Charlottesville VA, who among other things was a member of the Baltimore Police Department for 18 years, including command positions, and also an independent monitor for the Department of Justice consent judgment for the Cincinnati police department.

Chief Longo testified that the new seatbelt rule, indeed any simple departmental policy, could not create such a legal duty, if only for the simple practical reason that police officers are required to use their considerable discretion in the application of any departmental rule to the real-world circumstances they encounter. Longo noted that officers must use their discretion all the time, and routinely “run afoul” of official directives doing so. The only requirement is that are able to articulate a reasonable basis for doing so. Longo went on to testify that in his expert opinion Porter’s conduct in not belting Gray was, in fact, “objectively reasonable.”

We can recall from Porter’s own testimony yesterday that he was indeed able to articulate a reasonable rationale for not entering the van the buckle in Gray, including the very tight quarters that would require him to place his sidearm within Gray’s reach.

Longo also noted that even if there existed such a legal duty, that duty fell upon other officers. ...

In addition, Longo testified that orders such as the seatbelt directive were grounds only for internal administrative discipline, not criminal liability. He reportedly stated numerous times that broken general orders should be dealt with administratively, not criminally (resulting in an objection from the prosecution).

Conclusion: It seems extremely unlikely that a reasonable jury could unanimously conclude that the prosecution has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there existed a legal duty for Porter to buckle Gray into the van.

Porter should never have been charged - its part of the reckless pattern of the highly politicized prosecutor(s).

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/freddie-gray-trial-defense-witnesses-further-crush-states-case/
 
In the Zimmerman trial one could at least reasonably argue that Zimmerman made a tactical, if not legal, error in placing himself in an ambush zone, and got himself ambushed.

There was no "ambush zone", and the guy yakking on his cell phone didn't ambush anybody, but you already knew that. Too bad the author didn't get the memo about deep-sixing the ambush story.

In Porter’s case it looks increasingly like he did nothing, literally nothing, wrong in his interactions with Gray.

There was a problem with that sentence but I fixed it.

For illustrative purposes, let’s consider the most serious of the charges for which Porter is being tried, involuntary manslaughter (essentially the same analysis applies to the lesser charges of second-degree assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment, as well, but I only have so much time for blogging).

First let’s note that even the prosecution concedes that Porter committed no affirmative act that caused Gray harm. They are therefore attempting to convict him of involuntary manslaughter based on a failure to act, an “act of omission.”

It is, indeed, possible for a failure to act to provide the basis for involuntary manslaughter, but only where: (1)(a) there existed and (b) the defendant was aware (or should have been aware) that there existed a legal duty to act, (2) the defendant was aware the circumstances raised the legal duty, and (3) the defendant knew or should have known that the failure to meet their legal duty presented a substantial and unjustifiable risk to the victim’s life.

Note that all of these elements are necessary to reach a verdict of guilty on a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

In Porter’s case the prosecution is arguing that he violated two legal duties: (1) Porter failed to buckle Gray into the van, and (2) Porter ‘s alleged delay in providing medical care to Gray.

Okay, the author at least understands the nature of the charges.

(1)(a) Did there exist a legal duty to buckle Gray into the van?

The prosecution is arguing that the Baltimore Police Department’s new rule that arrestees must be buckled into police vans, enacted days before Gray’s arrest, created imposed legal duty upon Porter, and that the failure to meet that legal duty constitutes a crime.

(But) One of today’s expert witnesses for the defense was Police Chief Timothy Longo, of Charlottesville VA, who among other things was a member of the Baltimore Police Department for 18 years, including command positions, and also an independent monitor for the Department of Justice consent judgment for the Cincinnati police department.

Chief Longo testified that the new seatbelt rule, indeed any simple departmental policy, could not create such a legal duty, if only for the simple practical reason that police officers are required to use their considerable discretion in the application of any departmental rule to the real-world circumstances they encounter. Longo noted that officers must use their discretion all the time, and routinely “run afoul” of official directives doing so. The only requirement is that are able to articulate a reasonable basis for doing so. Longo went on to testify that in his expert opinion Porter’s conduct in not belting Gray was, in fact, “objectively reasonable.”

Whoa, wait.

The Prosecution is arguing that the new rules imposed a legal duty to act, and the defense has a retired Baltimore cop on the stand saying cops ignore rules and legal duties to act all the time? And the author thinks this helps to clear Porter of criminal charges based on his failure to act?

\We can recall from Porter’s own testimony yesterday that he was indeed able to articulate a reasonable rationale for not entering the van the buckle in Gray, including the very tight quarters that would require him to place his sidearm within Gray’s reach.

That would only sound reasonable if the cops weren't within arm's reach of the guy when they handcuffed him and put him into the back of the van. But since they were, and since a cop had to get within arm's reach a short while later to put Gray in leg shackles, and since cops have to get within arm's reach of suspects in police vans to get them out again, I think Cheif Longo and the author are blowing smoke.

Longo also noted that even if there existed such a legal duty, that duty fell upon other officers. ...

Ah, so if there's a duty to act it was someone else's duty, not the defendants, hmm?

In addition, Longo testified that orders such as the seatbelt directive were grounds only for internal administrative discipline, not criminal liability. He reportedly stated numerous times that broken general orders should be dealt with administratively, not criminally (resulting in an objection from the prosecution).

Conclusion: It seems extremely unlikely that a reasonable jury could unanimously conclude that the prosecution has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there existed a legal duty for Porter to buckle Gray into the van.

Only if you accept Longo's apologetics as proper analysis of the legal requirements for Porter to fasten Gray's seat belt and summon the requested medical aid. Because if you don't accept his assertions that cops are exempt from legal requirements to act whenever they don't feel like acting, then the argument that Porter's failure to act amounted to criminal negligence remains pretty solid.
 
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