Anyway, if you believe the UN created the State of Israel via resolution 181 then you must also believe Israelis invaded their neighbor's territory in April of 1948 with the intention of seizing resources and infrastructure through ethnic cleansing and conquest.
Israel didn't start the war.
Which war, and when did it start? Be specific.
If you are calling the fighting before May 14, 1948 a war, then I agree that Israel didn't start it because Israel didn't exist. But if you are trying to use a cheap rhetorical trick to absolve the Jewish Agency for Palestine of responsibility for the planned ethnic cleansing and seizing of territory by force, i.e. the war of conquest they called the War of Independence, then I disagree. There is no doubt the Zionists started it.
Remind us all again who invaded whom on 14/05/48?
We, tragically, will never know what might have been if those 5 armies had stayed put.
We know some of it.
Plan Dalet was launched 2 April 1948 and lasted for 8 weeks. Hundreds of Palestinian villages had been attacked and destroyed, with hundreds of civilians massacred and tens of thousands of them forced to leave their homes, weeks before the declaration of the existence of the State of Israel. Without the need to defend the newly seized territory from capture by soldiers from neighboring nations, the Zionist paramilitary forces and terrorists would have been able to carry out the campaign of "population transfer" more widely and more freely.
If Plan Dalet was part of the war then the Zionists definitely started it before the neighboring countries became involved.
If Plan Dalet wasn't part of the war, then what was it and how does it fit into timeline of events? Do you think it was unrelated to the war with the neighboring countries?
The history of the conflict doesn't start in May of 1948. The bodies of people killed in the strife, soldiers, civilians, LEOs, and terrorists alike, have been filling the graveyards there since the 1920s.
It goes back much, much farther than that. Massacring Jews was common long before then. 1948 is the abuse victim finally escaping.
Link to the evidence that massacring Jews was common, or admit you can't find any.
Here is a distressing list of
massacres that occurred in in British Mandate before the 14/05/48. It does not sort between victims, just lists them.
Thank you for providing a source. Loren should have done it, though. He has a terrible habit of not backing up his claims and he'll never get any better about it if other posters keep doing it for him.
I have seen that list many times. Heck, I've shown it to Loren in many other discussions. We even went over that list incident by incident, or at least I did, in order to sort the killings from the massacres and to figure out why they happened (at least as much as we can figure out).
The first item, the Battle of Tel Hai, was the one where Trumpledor aka the "Lion of Judah" I talked about in an earlier post, got his nickname. It was not a planned attack. Arabs in search of French soldiers wanted to look inside a Russian Zionist outpost. One of the Zionists started shooting at the Arabs but Trumpledor got them to stop. He let some of the Arabs in so they could see for themselves that the Russians weren't hiding any French guys. A Zionist inside the outpost apparently got scared when she saw them and started shooting at the Arabs. Trumpledor again got everyone to stop shooting. As the Arabs were leaving, a Zionist who apparently couldn't hear the ceasefire orders started shooting at the Arabs, and then the fighting was on for real and 13 people died.
I do not believe the events at Tel Hai can be called a massacre. And it definitely doesn't support Loren's claim that massacring Jews was commonplace before the 1920, which is the bullshit claim he made and continues to fail to support.
Do you really believe Iran would just skip off into wheat fields tossing Gaz several feet into the air for it to plummet into mouths singing about good ole boys that didn't mean any harm? It's understandable that they would have reservations about it, given the lack of a long-standing history of peaceful relations between us.
