Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

It takes two to make peace but only one to make war. And that one is Iran.

Whom Israel also bombed recently, and fought a twelve day war with, killing a thousand people, half of them civilians, and only stopped the slaughter because Donald J. Trump (peace-maker extraordinaire?) threatened to pull them off the munitions teat if they didn't fucking knock it off. Doing a real great job avoiding that war, there.

Israel took out a few important targets. They are too far away to do more.

Calling it genocide doesn't make it so. The death of any number of combatants is not genocide.

No, the attempt to exterminate a people is genocide.

If Israel were attempting to exterminate them they would have done a much better job of it by now.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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Still thinking that this is about hate. No, this is about Iran. Look at the other places they are subverting, death tolls far above Gaza, but no propaganda and no Jews to blame, they hardly make the news.

Since they're doing the same thing in many places why do you think this situation is somehow about Israel and not Iran??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why would Israel stopping harm Hamas?

Because NOT stopping clearly BENEFITS Hamas.

Duh.

Please explain.

If the current situation was of benefit to Hamas why is Hamas trying to get the world to stop Israel?

 

[Politesse]

Look at the other places they are subverting, death tolls far above Gaza, but no propaganda and no Jews to blame, they hardly make the news.

What death tolls are you in fact referring to? In the Twelve-Day War, Iran killed 32 human beings, against the 1,060 lives taken by Israel in the same two weeks. To put it another way, Iran killed 5 people every two days during the same time period that Israel was killing 7 people every two hours. All war is crime and I am not fond of it no matter who is waging it, but if you're going to accuse Iran of innumerable atrocities while ignoring the bloodbaths routinely engaged in by Israel, it's natural to wonder what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's Iran that bolsters Hamas,

Yes. But far from exclusively. Why would you imagine that the situation is so black and white that ONLY one player could advantage Hamas?

The others that were funding them have to a fair degree stopped.

you like to pretend it's Israel's actions

No, I merely observe that it is. No pretence is needed.

How did Israel cause the horrors of Yemen? The genocides in Sudan and in Eritrea?

but it's not Israel's actions in all the other places Iran is doing the same thing

So fucking what? Hamas recruitment is up due to IDF actions. It's ALSO up due to Iranian actions. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Hamas basically drafts, not recruits.

Iran wants everyone to hate America and Israel. This fact doesn't strike me as a good reason to help them to make their case, by getting America and Israel to drop bombs on people.

Iran wants to stir up trouble to gain control.

so why should we think it's Israel's actions in this case?

Because it fucking IS. Bombing people makes them hate you. It worked for the Germans bombing the UK in both world wars; It worked for the RAF and USAAF bombing Germany in WWII.

It works everywhere - if you drop bombs on people's homes and kill their families, they will HATE you.

This shouldn't be so hard to comprehend.

They have been bathed in Israel-hate from birth. Bombing is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

And Israel isn't bombing to change people's minds, it is bombing to remove Hamas infrastructure and Hamas commanders.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How do you mean? Hamas fighters are able to move within an ever decreasing area. Israel is moving slowly and methodically. The IDF will just keep taking over new areas of Gaza until Hamas capitulates. If they don't Israel will eventually take over all of it, and that will be the end of Hamas.

But already now Hamas is barely able to operate. All they can do is terrorise the Gazan civilians.

Unfortunately Israel isn't actually able to control the territory it takes. They sweep through removing as many terrorists and their infrastructure as they can, but the terrorists keep slipping back in. Think of that hospital they just had an oops on--they've taken the same hospital multiple times. They were shooting at a legitimate target but someone goofed and used tank guns to do the job when it should have been smaller and more precise.

This is the inevitable result of not trying to murder every Palestinian. Since Hamas fighters dress like civilians, and there's nowhere for civilians to go, it makes it virtually impossible to permanently secure territory.

What Israel can control is transport in and out of Gaza. I think that's their plan. I think they're bleeding Hamas dry of weapons and ammunition. Rather than trying to kill them all.

But that's pure speculation.

They can't bleed their ammo effectively. But they can smash their infrastructure.

And the GHF might actually lift their boot off the people of Gaza.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You misunderstand how wars are fought and use that to try to make Israel look bad.

How many wars have you fought in? What were your sources that make you believe your perspective is better than others?

You tried to show my 90% civilian number was wrong--but your site was just mindlessly saying that the fact that nobody had done better showed that it was possible to do better.

We don't have to fight in a war to read about them and understand the tactics used.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For those who think the press is independent:

Hamas operatives posing as journalists: The Gaza media lie | The Jerusalem Post

In Gaza, there is no independent journalism - only Hamas operatives posing as reporters. The truth is being buried under a press badge, manipulating global narratives.

www.jpost.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Since your response ignores the condition of “if at first”, you should try something else, possibly on point.

Every time Israel tries "something else" (a peaceful approach) they end up suffering. But you keep demanding they do what experience shows always produces a bad outcome.

 

[ZiprHead]

You misunderstand how wars are fought and use that to try to make Israel look bad.

How many wars have you fought in? What were your sources that make you believe your perspective is better than others?

You tried to show my 90% civilian number was wrong--but your site was just mindlessly saying that the fact that nobody had done better showed that it was possible to do better.

We don't have to fight in a war to read about them and understand the tactics used.

WTF are you talking about? What site?

 

[ZiprHead]

Israel mulls West Bank annexation in response to moves to recognise Palestine

It is unclear where precisely any such measure would be applied and when.

www.reuters.com

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Israel is considering annexation in the occupied West Bank as a possible response to France and other countries recognising a Palestinian state, according to three Israeli officials and the idea will be discussed further on Sunday, another official said.

Extension of Israeli sovereignty to the West Bank - de facto annexation of land captured in the 1967 Middle East war - was on the agenda for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's security cabinet meeting late on Sunday that is expected to focus on the Gaza war, a member of the small circle of ministers said.

It is unclear where precisely any such measure would be applied and when, whether only in Israeli settlements or some of them, or in specific areas of the West Bank like the Jordan Valley and whether any concrete steps, which would likely entail a lengthy legislative process, would follow discussions.

Any step toward annexation in the West Bank would likely draw widespread condemnation from the Palestinians, who seek the territory for a future state, as well as Arab and Western countries. It is unclear where U.S. President Donald Trump stands on the matter. The White House and State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

[laughing dog]

Since your response ignores the condition of “if at first”, you should try something else, possibly on point.

Every time Israel tries "something else" (a peaceful approach) they end up suffering. But you keep demanding they do what experience shows always produces a bad outcome.

It seems like that is true for Israelis and Palestinians (especially in the West Bank).

 

[pood]

Don’t know how the majority of decent people in this nauseating thread can bear participating in it.

Rote disclaimer: any resemblance in the following work to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.


Hurrah, Huzzah, Gaza!

The revolution will not be televised,
It will be downloaded, and then uploaded to TikTok.
Nowadays, wars are being fought
As much online as on the front lines,

Which is good news for our keyboard warriors,
Who love the sight of blood, save for their own.
Let’s look in on one now, smarmy little drone.
First it’s off to the manosphere to take the red pill,

And then to see (he being an incel)
If anyone has a tradwife to sell;
Oops! Outta luck! Oh, well!
Then it’s on to his favorite message board

To jaw, jaw, jaw, for war, war, war.
He’s got a grudge against the Gazans;
Likes to see ‘em slaughtered by the thousands,
All in the name of Western values.

Israel has declared Gazans illegal aliens in their own country,
And is busy deporting them to the undiscovered country
— you know, Hamlet’s goal; Charon is poling them
By the boatload to Sheol, the other shore.

Bombs, missiles, starvation — all that gore!
Should anyone oppose Netanyahu, the blackguard,
The widdle warrior pulls out the antisemite card:
JEW HATER! JEW HATER! JEW HATER!

This masturbator fancies itself a master baiter,
But more about the former a bit later.
Anyhoo, he’s riding his Jew-Jew train,
Pretending to be the defender of Jews,

When really he loathes them as much as he loathes
Everyone else, most especially himself.
He fancies that he’s got a gun between the legs
— barrel ever erect, and with it he will select

His next virtual target. Look, online!
A starving Gazan girl on some antisemite url!
Her pretend agony he finds so uncouth,
So — BANG! — he shoots off, right into her mouth!

Take that, baby! Yer hunger yer fakin’.
But my jizz is your lunch, so quitchyer bellachin’.
Man, that feels good, as I always figger;
Why I keep my finger ever on the trigger.

Hurrah, huzzah, for the good work in Gaza!
Rocket concert of the mind — lol lollapalooza!
Let us beat ploughshares into swords,
And study virtual war ever so much more!

 

[DrZoidberg]

You misunderstand how wars are fought and use that to try to make Israel look bad.

How many wars have you fought in? What were your sources that make you believe your perspective is better than others?

I find your ignorance disappointing. Wars is one of the most defining features of human civilisation. I'd say most adults have enough of an interest to know the basics of modern warfare. They know enough to know that war movies are not representative of what real war is.

We now have two major wars ongoing. And plenty of minor ones. I suggest picking up some books on the subject. You'll be well catered for. There's many to chose from.

Have you never wondered why Europe was so completey devastated in WW2?

 

[DrZoidberg]

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Which is nice. But Israels main focus now is immediate safety. And after that long term safety. They don't have time to hate. This is a pretty defining feature of Jewish culture. They're very good at focusing on pragmatic long term solutions.

Arabs on the other hand have a huge problem with institutionalised hatred. Or what we today call "Islamofascism".

There's historical reasons for both of these. Please don’t equate the type of warfare Israel wages with that of their Arab neighbours. Its not the same. Its different motivations and different goals.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Israel mulls West Bank annexation in response to moves to recognise Palestine

It is unclear where precisely any such measure would be applied and when.

www.reuters.com

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Israel is considering annexation in the occupied West Bank as a possible response to France and other countries recognising a Palestinian state, according to three Israeli officials and the idea will be discussed further on Sunday, another official said.

Extension of Israeli sovereignty to the West Bank - de facto annexation of land captured in the 1967 Middle East war - was on the agenda for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's security cabinet meeting late on Sunday that is expected to focus on the Gaza war, a member of the small circle of ministers said.

It is unclear where precisely any such measure would be applied and when, whether only in Israeli settlements or some of them, or in specific areas of the West Bank like the Jordan Valley and whether any concrete steps, which would likely entail a lengthy legislative process, would follow discussions.

Any step toward annexation in the West Bank would likely draw widespread condemnation from the Palestinians, who seek the territory for a future state, as well as Arab and Western countries. It is unclear where U.S. President Donald Trump stands on the matter. The White House and State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Its a rational response considering how antisemitic the world turned out to be.

And they did win the '67 war. A defensive war. They have every right to annex it.

What's the point of being generous if the world just gives Israel shit?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Look at the other places they are subverting, death tolls far above Gaza, but no propaganda and no Jews to blame, they hardly make the news.

What death tolls are you in fact referring to? In the Twelve-Day War, Iran killed 32 human beings, against the 1,060 lives taken by Israel in the same two weeks. To put it another way, Iran killed 5 people every two days during the same time period that Israel was killing 7 people every two hours. All war is crime and I am not fond of it no matter who is waging it, but if you're going to accuse Iran of innumerable atrocities while ignoring the bloodbaths routinely engaged in by Israel, it's natural to wonder what the hell you're talking about.

I suggest listening to what Iran is saying. They're sworn to destroy Israel. They're trying to build nuclear weapons. While Israels mission is just trying to survive.

There's a huge difference in threat level. There's also the little detail that Iran does not care about suffering. They don't care about the suffering of their own people. Iranians I know tend to refer to Iran's regime as "psychopathic". Iraelis do not talk about the govornment of Israel as psychopathic. Also... Iran is a huge country. And a rich oil rich country. Obsessively fixated on destroying Israel. You do know that Hamas is the puppet of Iran? The 7/10 attack was a first strike by Iran. And first strikes are way more serious than retaliatory strikes.

 

[ZiprHead]

You misunderstand how wars are fought and use that to try to make Israel look bad.

How many wars have you fought in? What were your sources that make you believe your perspective is better than others?

I find your ignorance disappointing. Wars is one of the most defining features of human civilisation. I'd say most adults have enough of an interest to know the basics of modern warfare. They know enough to know that war movies are not representative of what real war is.

We now have two major wars ongoing. And plenty of minor ones. I suggest picking up some books on the subject. You'll be well catered for. There's many to chose from.

Have you never wondered why Europe was so completey devastated in WW2?

Nice dodge to that actual questions. Quite imaginative. I agree, everyone knows wars are bad. Thank you for the enlightenment.

Now try answering the questions.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You misunderstand how wars are fought and use that to try to make Israel look bad.

How many wars have you fought in? What were your sources that make you believe your perspective is better than others?

I find your ignorance disappointing. Wars is one of the most defining features of human civilisation. I'd say most adults have enough of an interest to know the basics of modern warfare. They know enough to know that war movies are not representative of what real war is.

We now have two major wars ongoing. And plenty of minor ones. I suggest picking up some books on the subject. You'll be well catered for. There's many to chose from.

Have you never wondered why Europe was so completey devastated in WW2?

Nice dodge to that actual questions. Quite imaginative. I agree, everyone knows wars are bad. Thank you for the enlightenment.

Now try answering the questions.

The source is any book on modern warfare.

You don't need to have taken part in war to know that.

This should be common knowledge imho

 

[Politesse]

Look at the other places they are subverting, death tolls far above Gaza, but no propaganda and no Jews to blame, they hardly make the news.

What death tolls are you in fact referring to? In the Twelve-Day War, Iran killed 32 human beings, against the 1,060 lives taken by Israel in the same two weeks. To put it another way, Iran killed 5 people every two days during the same time period that Israel was killing 7 people every two hours. All war is crime and I am not fond of it no matter who is waging it, but if you're going to accuse Iran of innumerable atrocities while ignoring the bloodbaths routinely engaged in by Israel, it's natural to wonder what the hell you're talking about.

I suggest listening to what Iran is saying. They're sworn to destroy Israel. They're trying to build nuclear weapons. While Israels mission is just trying to survive.

There's a huge difference in threat level. There's also the little detail that Iran does not care about suffering. They don't care about the suffering of their own people. Iranians I know tend to refer to Iran's regime as "psychopathic". Iraelis do not talk about the govornment of Israel as psychopathic. Also... Iran is a huge country. And a rich oil rich country. Obsessively fixated on destroying Israel. You do know that Hamas is the puppet of Iran? The 7/10 attack was a first strike by Iran. And first strikes are way more serious than retaliatory strikes.

So what you're saying is that you admit that Loren is full of shit, and there's no fucking way Iran kills as many people as, let alone "far above", your allies?

And we do not, in fact, see Iran the country making "first strikes" anywhere in the world as far as I know. They monetarily support some regimes that have, but so do you, you're making an impassioned defense of one right now.