Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

I have a (philosopher) friend who I think might have the best explanation for why the left is pro Ukraine, but anti Israel. It has to do with power and power diffrential. The left today is obsessed with relative power. Arguably, they always were. Whoever has the most power is always in the wrong, no matter what anyone has done.

That might explain why leftists are so anti America. Like they can't do anything right.

I think it's a good theory.

Basically the same thing I have said in a different way. There's a solution. The side with the power is expected to find it. If they didn't find it that means they didn't look hard enough because faith says it must exist. The total inability for anyone to find it means nothing.

Thousands of years of recorded history tells us that wars end.

Army vs army wars end. But the modern proxy wars only end either with the destruction of the opponent or because the sponsor decides to quit funding it--and that's always been for internal reasons, not because of the war.

Your belief that this particular one can't end in anything but genocide and ethnic cleansing is a product of your mindset, not an inevitable conclusion given the history of the region or the world.

I do not say it can never end. I say it can never end so long as the side sponsoring the proxy war wants it to continue.

The only such things that have ended have been because the flow of money dried up. Much of that due to the collapse of Russia.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hamas is to blame for the slaughter. They can end the whole thing immediately: Surrender unconditionally, totally disarm, and release all the hostages.

Wouldn't even take that. Release all the hostages, the world would quickly stop Israel.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hamas is to blame for the slaughter. They can end the whole thing immediately: Surrender unconditionally, totally disarm, and release all the hostages.

Sure they could. They ain't gonna though, so why waste pixels talking about it?

Because it's the only way there will be peace. You have this fantasy that the side with the power has a peaceful solution. Appeasement. Just look at history--every time Israel acts like you want them to act Jews get killed at a higher rate. Dealing with the bully is hard so you blame the victim. Happens everywhere until we finally wake up to the reality. We have mostly learned this with domestic violence, but we continue the same thing in many other realms.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.

All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.

 

[Arctish]

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.

All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.

Support this claim.

List the Palestinian factions.

Then show us which ones renounce the deal the PLO struck with the government of Israel that ceded all of the land inside the 1967 borders to the State of Israel.

 

[steve_bank]

It is official, Israel is making a major expansion of settlements in the West Bank. More Palestinians displaced by Jewish settlers.

It is all well past Jews being the victim and making excuses. Actions speak for themselves.

Palestinians living in peace? Israel was formed by seizing land and preventing Arabs from returning to their land.

It is a de facto genocide. I see no other way but to call Israel a racist state.

A nearby synagogue hosts a monthly dinner and I was planning on attending one. Not interested any more.

Unless that synagogue supports Netanahyu or settlement expansion, why not go? After all, the synagogue is not Israel.

Well before the war the synagogue was a target for threats and vandalism. Hate speech graffiti.

Attending a dinner was more about showing community support. No group should be harassed like that for politics and religion.

My father had 5 brothers and two sisters. My fat5er was not racist, two of my uncles were explicit Routine use of racist slurs including Jews. I heard it all growing up.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.

All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.

I think the main confusion on the pro Palestinine crowd is that they don't understand that Palestinians are overwhelmingly Islamic imperialists. The only thing they're willing to accept is complete Muslim dominance over Jews. They think its humiliating to have to treat Jews as equals. And that’s why they're so angry. And have been since 1948.

The western left have always been too racist to take the time to listen what the ex colonials actually want and say. Instead they project all kinds of woke nonsense onto them. Treating them like their tokens to hit conservatives with