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I have a (philosopher) friend who I think might have the best explanation for why the left is pro Ukraine, but anti Israel. It has to do with power and power diffrential. The left today is obsessed with relative power. Arguably, they always were. Whoever has the most power is always in the wrong, no matter what anyone has done.

That might explain why leftists are so anti America. Like they can't do anything right.

I think it's a good theory.
Basically the same thing I have said in a different way. There's a solution. The side with the power is expected to find it. If they didn't find it that means they didn't look hard enough because faith says it must exist. The total inability for anyone to find it means nothing.
Thousands of years of recorded history tells us that wars end.
Army vs army wars end. But the modern proxy wars only end either with the destruction of the opponent or because the sponsor decides to quit funding it--and that's always been for internal reasons, not because of the war.

Your belief that this particular one can't end in anything but genocide and ethnic cleansing is a product of your mindset, not an inevitable conclusion given the history of the region or the world.
I do not say it can never end. I say it can never end so long as the side sponsoring the proxy war wants it to continue.

The only such things that have ended have been because the flow of money dried up. Much of that due to the collapse of Russia.
 
Hamas is to blame for the slaughter. They can end the whole thing immediately: Surrender unconditionally, totally disarm, and release all the hostages.
Sure they could. They ain't gonna though, so why waste pixels talking about it?
Because it's the only way there will be peace. You have this fantasy that the side with the power has a peaceful solution. Appeasement. Just look at history--every time Israel acts like you want them to act Jews get killed at a higher rate. Dealing with the bully is hard so you blame the victim. Happens everywhere until we finally wake up to the reality. We have mostly learned this with domestic violence, but we continue the same thing in many other realms.
 

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.
All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.
 

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.
All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.
Support this claim.

List the Palestinian factions.

Then show us which ones renounce the deal the PLO struck with the government of Israel that ceded all of the land inside the 1967 borders to the State of Israel.
 
It is official, Israel is making a major expansion of settlements in the West Bank. More Palestinians displaced by Jewish settlers.

It is all well past Jews being the victim and making excuses. Actions speak for themselves.

Palestinians living in peace? Israel was formed by seizing land and preventing Arabs from returning to their land.

It is a de facto genocide. I see no other way but to call Israel a racist state.

A nearby synagogue hosts a monthly dinner and I was planning on attending one. Not interested any more.
Unless that synagogue supports Netanahyu or settlement expansion, why not go? After all, the synagogue is not Israel.
Well before the war the synagogue was a target for threats and vandalism. Hate speech graffiti.

Attending a dinner was more about showing community support. No group should be harassed like that for politics and religion.

My father had 5 brothers and two sisters. My fat5er was not racist, two of my uncles were explicit Routine use of racist slurs including Jews. I heard it all growing up.
 

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.
All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.

I think the main confusion on the pro Palestinine crowd is that they don't understand that Palestinians are overwhelmingly Islamic imperialists. The only thing they're willing to accept is complete Muslim dominance over Jews. They think its humiliating to have to treat Jews as equals. And that’s why they're so angry. And have been since 1948.

The western left have always been too racist to take the time to listen what the ex colonials actually want and say. Instead they project all kinds of woke nonsense onto them. Treating them like their tokens to hit conservatives with
 
I’m just wondering where all of us Americans of European descent are going to live, after we rightfully return all the land once inhabited by the Native American tribes back to them.
We won’t all fit, in Gaza…

FYI the right to dominate ancestral lands is a Nazi thing to say. But wokes somehow forget that.

Everyone's ancestors was an asshole at some point and the reason you are alive at all is because your ancestors killed and opressed someone at some point. Nobody is an ancestral angel.

Peace is reached by setting aside past grievances, agreeing that it probably wasn't great, what was done, (no matter what it was) and validating each others pain.
 

I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows. But since 1948, hardline Palestinians (who control Gaza and the West Bank) have wanted Jewish land; and the hard line Israelis (who control Israel) have wanted Palestinian land. Until this changes on both sides, there will be no peace.
All the Palestinian factions consider all of Israel to be Palestinian land.
Support this claim.

List the Palestinian factions.

Then show us which ones renounce the deal the PLO struck with the government of Israel that ceded all of the land inside the 1967 borders to the State of Israel.

I would like to disagree with Loren. I don't have evidence either way. He might be right. Is there a Palestinian faction that is okay with rejecting right of return; that is open to limiting its potential country in a two-state solution to land inside the 67 borders and to East Jerusalem?
 
I have my doubts that this war will never truly end. There will be cooling off periods for sure. And one is probably coming sometime soon, who knows.
That's exactly how I felt about the Irish 'Troubles'. The IRA were never going away, the border between the Republic and the Six Counties would always be heavily militarised, and terririst attacks in England and against British military forces around the world would would continue to happen, with occasional flare-ups, interspersed with cooling-off periods.
They ended when the money went away.

I felt the same way about the Cold War; The USSR and the USA would always be facing off in a thermonuclear stalemate across the Iron Curtain, with diplomaric machinations, strategic moves of forces, brinkmanship, and proxy wars worldwide, hotly fought but with just enough remove from the main players to avoid nuclear war - most of the time.

And then, one day, it all went away.
As I said, internal problems. And note how the Marxist terror groups went away when Russia collapsed.
 
Israel military strike in Doha. Sounds like they might not have got much out of it.

Sure they did - putting the kibosh on ceasefire talks, thereby costing Trump is Nobel Peace

I don't know about that. Now they've made it personal. Now the Hamas leaders are also risking their own lives by prolonging the war. It might turn out to be a smart move.
Exactly. Directly, apparently nothing. Indirectly, perhaps a lot. And if the reports that Israel told Qatar before they hit and that Hamas got off the X because of that they've established the precedent that there's a leak, next time they won't be tipped off.
A Qatar isn't neutral. Sheltering known terrorists isn't being neutral.

The only reason they're protecting Hamas is because of retarded Islamic tribalism. That's not a valid excuse
I suspect there's Iranian money involved.
 
Israel military strike in Doha. Sounds like they might not have got much out of it.

Sure they did - putting the kibosh on ceasefire talks, thereby costing Trump is Nobel Peace

I don't know about that. Now they've made it personal. Now the Hamas leaders are also risking their own lives by prolonging the war. It might turn out to be a smart move.
Exactly. Directly, apparently nothing. Indirectly, perhaps a lot.
A Qatar isn't neutral. Sheltering known terrorists isn't being neutral.

The only reason they're protecting Hamas is because of retarded Islamic tribalism. That's not a valid excuse
I suspect there's Iranian money involved.
You think Qatar needs or wants Iranian money?
 
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