Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Politesse]

The latest victim of the onslaught was this guy, Omar Hayek, killed on his way out of the city to a satellite clinic. He was waiting at a bus stop. I sure it was a fucking terrorist bus stop. Murderers! This is the fourteenth killing of an MSF staff member since they began operations in Gaza. You'd be safer as a soldier than you are as a doctor when Israel is on the march, at least soldiers get body armor and are allowed to shoot back.

We have one MSF member documented as Hamas.

And note that Israel has called for the evacuation of Gaza City. Everyone there is either Hamas or a human shield.

You are writing heinous lies about a good man who was just brutally killed while risking his life to help others. It's not an "evacuation" when Israel is gunning people down as they try to flee. You should be ashamed to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, typing filth like that. Or don't you?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The latest victim of the onslaught was this guy, Omar Hayek, killed on his way out of the city to a satellite clinic. He was waiting at a bus stop. I sure it was a fucking terrorist bus stop. Murderers! This is the fourteenth killing of an MSF staff member since they began operations in Gaza. You'd be safer as a soldier than you are as a doctor when Israel is on the march, at least soldiers get body armor and are allowed to shoot back.

We have one MSF member documented as Hamas.

And note that Israel has called for the evacuation of Gaza City. Everyone there is either Hamas or a human shield.

What is left to evacuate to?

 

[steve_bank]

Dr Z is not paying attention to what each side is saying.

Trump hyped his p[proposal as an agreement. Israel would withdraw, Hamas would disarm, and Gaza would a be administered by an international group led by .... wiai for it. .. Trump.

I don't care what The Felon says.

Netiquette later said Israel will not withdraw. For the Palestinins no Palestinian state run by Palestinians is a non starter.

A state run by Hamas is a non-starter.

Meanwhile Israel continues to colonize he West Bank.

The war may have been triggered bin part by hostage taking, but it is not about the aesthetes.

It is about Israeli Zionism and controlling all land they think was Israel 2000 years ago. Netanyahu said pu8bhlcaly they have a right to the land and will do whatever is in their own interest.

The settlers are because Israel knows that they're irrelevant in the big picture and thus doesn't have the political will to stop them.

The only thing that will stop the war is the USA cutting off arms supplies. Not likely. Obama increased military aid followed by Biden and now Trump.

No, that will increase the death toll because they'll switch to cheaper, less precise weapons.

Israel walled of Gaza and the West Bank. The coast is blockaded.

But Israel doesn't control the border with Egypt. And blockade is perfectly legal in war--and the situation with Hamas has been quasi-war all along.

I do nit know why you have unqualified support for what Israel has done and is doing. All based in a 2000 year old claim Jews own the land.

Some seem to ignore what Netanyahu and his spokespersons actually say.

There was a olng running propaganda campaign to turn American Christians towrds Israel.

Long tunning commercials by the so called International Fellowship Of Christians And Jews Still running.

Mournful commercials of al aged starving old Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. Shameful pandering.

 

[DrZoidberg]

International law sees the settlements as illegal. But not according to Israeli law. Which is the law that Israel is following. Yes, normally I would side with international law. But in this case, since the world is so antisemetic, I don't think it can be applied here. Jordans claim to the west bank is so weak it's non-existant IMHO. You can't just invade other countries willy nilly and expect it to be affirmed by international law. But that's what happened in the west bank case. Made extra serious since Jordan ethnically cleansed the west bank of Jews, when they took it. It's bizarre that the court in the Hague just accepted that. When Israel took the west bank back, they did not give the stolen land back to the Jews that once owned it.

Gaza/West Bank should be a Palestinian state. But since Israel knows they gain nothing from stopping the settlements so they continue.

But by far most of the settlement is within areas already under Israeli control.

Should? Why should?

Israel is under constant threat from neighbours. Especially Palestinians. It hard to defend Israel against attacks from the west bank.

I think Israel learned its lesson. The west bank won't become an independent Palestinian country. Gaza, maybe.

Israel needs guarantees that Palestinians will be good neighbours, and I can't see that happening. Palestinians seems too hellbent on murdering all Jews

 

[laughing dog]

The latest victim of the onslaught was this guy, Omar Hayek, killed on his way out of the city to a satellite clinic. He was waiting at a bus stop. I sure it was a fucking terrorist bus stop. Murderers! This is the fourteenth killing of an MSF staff member since they began operations in Gaza. You'd be safer as a soldier than you are as a doctor when Israel is on the march, at least soldiers get body armor and are allowed to shoot back.

We have one MSF member documented as Hamas.

The relevance is ?

And note that Israel has called for the evacuation of Gaza City. Everyone there is either Hamas or a human shield.

You know this because you personally interviewed the remaining inhabitants? And since when is it moral to kill someone because they are making your task harder?

 

[TomC]

I do nit know why you have unqualified support for what Israel has done and is doing. All based in a 2000 year old claim Jews own the land.

He doesn't. Nor do I.
But we are aware of the centuries of anti-jewish bigotry which resulted in Israel.
And the fact that anti-jewish bigotry continues to power the violent Muslim supremacists and their international supporters.

Some seem to ignore what Netanyahu and his spokespersons actually say.

Sensible people don't believe everything a politician says, including Netanyahu. Especially when the politicians are under military attack and their attackers have broad international support.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-war-10-08-25

• Peace deal: US President Donald Trump said Israel and Hamas have agreed on the first phase of a peace framework that will allow for the swift release of all hostages.

• Still to be decided: Trump’s announcement did not mention some thorny topics that will need to be resolved, including Hamas’s disarmament and the future governance of the enclave.

• Early reaction: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was a “diplomatic success and a national and moral victory” for Israel. Hamas said the agreement stipulates “an end to the war on Gaza, the occupation’s withdrawal from it, the entry of aid, and a prisoner exchange.”

 

[laughing dog]

I do nit know why you have unqualified support for what Israel has done and is doing. All based in a 2000 year old claim Jews own the land.

He doesn't. Nor do I.
But we are aware of the centuries of anti-jewish bigotry which resulted in Israel.
And the fact that anti-jewish bigotry continues to power the violent Muslim supremacists and their international supporters.

Some seem to ignore what Netanyahu and his spokespersons actually say.

Sensible people don't believe everything a politician says, including Netanyahu. Especially when the politicians are under military attack and their attackers have broad international support.
Tom

Hamas does not have broad international support, so who are you talking about?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-war-10-08-25

• Peace deal: US President Donald Trump said Israel and Hamas have agreed on the first phase of a peace framework that will allow for the swift release of all hostages.

• Still to be decided: Trump’s announcement did not mention some thorny topics that will need to be resolved, including Hamas’s disarmament and the future governance of the enclave.

• Early reaction: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was a “diplomatic success and a national and moral victory” for Israel. Hamas said the agreement stipulates “an end to the war on Gaza, the occupation’s withdrawal from it, the entry of aid, and a prisoner exchange.”

You know, his "peace plan" is more hollow than a chocolate bunny, but if it at least gets the hostages home, that is something. Anything beyond that though... Hamas disarming, why would they. Their goal isn't a free Palestine. So regardless the long term prospect, getting the hostages home would be good. Granted, the deal would be no different than it would have been 12 or 18 months ago for those hostages.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Boy, if Trump don't get the Nobel Peace Prize now, he'll bomb Denmark.


*It's Trump humor.

 

[Harry Bosch]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-war-10-08-25

• Peace deal: US President Donald Trump said Israel and Hamas have agreed on the first phase of a peace framework that will allow for the swift release of all hostages.

• Still to be decided: Trump’s announcement did not mention some thorny topics that will need to be resolved, including Hamas’s disarmament and the future governance of the enclave.

• Early reaction: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was a “diplomatic success and a national and moral victory” for Israel. Hamas said the agreement stipulates “an end to the war on Gaza, the occupation’s withdrawal from it, the entry of aid, and a prisoner exchange.”

You know, his "peace plan" is more hollow than a chocolate bunny, but if it at least gets the hostages home, that is something. Anything beyond that though... Hamas disarming, why would they. Their goal isn't a free Palestine. So regardless the long term prospect, getting the hostages home would be good. Granted, the deal would be no different than it would have been 12 or 18 months ago for those hostages.

A peace 12 months ago would have helped Harris. Neta didn't want that. I think that there is zero chance of peace there until both sides have moderates in charge at the same time who want peace. Yes, at least the hostages are coming home.

 

[steve_bank]

Well, I did not think it would happen.

Pundits say Trump's or else threats against Hamas on releasing hostages influenced Hamas supporters like Turkey and Iran to tell Hamas to take the deal.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, I did not think it would happen.

Pundits say Trump's or else threats against Hamas on releasing hostages influenced Hamas supporters like Turkey and Iran to tell Hamas to take the deal.

What "or else"? How much more flattened does Gaza have to become? There isn't much left to target. And with the hostages in hand, Mossad was limited on targeting Hamas' leaders. Hamas still has to release the hostages. Again, this would be great, relatively speaking. Those poor people and family are traumatized for life. But Trump's 'or else' rhetoric isn't new, and it hasn't been particularly useful. No reason to start now.

This pause is happening because Netanyahu has relented to it. It was always out there.

 

[laughing dog]

There is still plenty of time for this to get effed up by someone.

 

[steve_bank]

Netanyahu agreeing i a big chge from saying the war ends when Hamas is totally destroyed.

The threats were directed at Iran not just Hamas in Gaza. From the commentary I did not know Turkey was an overt supporter of Hamas.

Fr Under the conservative leader Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey has become a stalwart supporter of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip.

Turkish support for Hamas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The UAE hosts an embassy for Hamas, bombed by Israel. UAE and Turkey were cited as provding pressure to Hamas to accept.

There must have been some back room arm twisting by Trump.

The Saudis have been running a propaganda program to change views on its oppressive system. Auto racing and golf. Now they just hosted American comedians.

No doubt the Arabs would like to see all of it going away.

Te plan is for an international body to mange Palestine. It won't work without that.

 

[DrZoidberg]

There is still plenty of time for this to get effed up by someone.

They still haven't agreed on whether Hamas will disarm. Or how Hamas' power will be curtailed. Very little concrete on wtf that means.

I can't see this peace lasting.

I think Hamas is using the return of the hostages to buy a little time to regroup.

Gaza City was where the remaining core of Hamas forces are. Since Hamas can't move freely in Gaza, I think Israel was close to destroying Hamas. But the cost would have been the death of remaining hostages. I think Israel had Hamas by the balls.

I don't think its over. Hamas will never accept being disarmed or losing power.

 

[bilby]

I can't see this peace lasting.

No shit, Nostradamus.

In other news, I reckon this year's Melbourne Cup will be won by a horse.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Oh, goody. Internal fighting in Gaza. The jihadi maffia family Doughmush is attacking Hamas.

We don't want them to win. A clan, in every way, more ruthless than Hamas. It would suck if Hamas successors are more extreme than Hamas

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oh, goody. Internal fighting in Gaza. The jihadi maffia family Doughmush is attacking Hamas.

We don't want them to win. A clan, in every way, more ruthless than Hamas. It would suck if Hamas successors are more extreme than Hamas

That seems quite cart before the horse. Hamas is reasserting control of the ground in Gaza.

Hostages released is good, though too damn late. But that would seem to be the end of the progress unless Iran stops sending money/weapons.

 

[steve_bank]

I do nit know why you have unqualified support for what Israel has done and is doing. All based in a 2000 year old claim Jews own the land.

He doesn't. Nor do I.
But we are aware of the centuries of anti-jewish bigotry which resulted in Israel.
And the fact that anti-jewish bigotry continues to power the violent Muslim supremacists and their international supporters.

Some seem to ignore what Netanyahu and his spokespersons actually say.

Sensible people don't believe everything a politician says, including Netanyahu. Especially when the politicians are under military attack and their attackers have broad international support.
Tom

Sensible people see connections between speech and actual actions, like expanding West Bank colonization during the war. The source of the nonfiction.