Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron, Mark Carney and Anthony Albanese doing a great job as useful idiots.

‘Palestinian State is One of the Fruits of October 7’: Emboldened Hamas Credits Its Violence for Gains as Released Hostage Video Spurs Outcry

Hamas Official Praises October 7 Atrocities: Qatar-based senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad claimed that Hamas’s October 7, 2023, atrocities in Israel spurred Western nations to recognize a Palestinian state. “The initiative by several countries to recognize a Palestinian state is one of the fruits of October 7. We proved that victory over Israel is not impossible, and our weapons are a symbol of Palestinian dignity,” Hamad said during an August 2 interview. His comments came after France, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Malta announced in recent weeks that their governments would officially recognize Palestinian statehood during the UN General Assembly meeting to be held in September. Hamad added, “Without our weapons, no one would be looking in our direction.”

I don't get it either. What's their goal with this? The guarantee endless bloodshed in Israel? It's like after WW2 the west would have just reversed course told Hitler they were sorry and give Germany back to him.

Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron, Mark Carney and Anthony Albanese doing a great job as useful idiots.

‘Palestinian State is One of the Fruits of October 7’: Emboldened Hamas Credits Its Violence for Gains as Released Hostage Video Spurs Outcry

Hamas Official Praises October 7 Atrocities: Qatar-based senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad claimed that Hamas’s October 7, 2023, atrocities in Israel spurred Western nations to recognize a Palestinian state. “The initiative by several countries to recognize a Palestinian state is one of the fruits of October 7. We proved that victory over Israel is not impossible, and our weapons are a symbol of Palestinian dignity,” Hamad said during an August 2 interview. His comments came after France, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Malta announced in recent weeks that their governments would officially recognize Palestinian statehood during the UN General Assembly meeting to be held in September. Hamad added, “Without our weapons, no one would be looking in our direction.”

You might want to redo the calcs on your diplomatic conclusion. Carney's statement indicates that Hamas isn't involved with the government in Palestine. These statements are generally indicating they are creating a placeholder for a state of Palestine, once it actually gets a government and isn't influenced by terrorism. IE, nothing has changed.

It is effectively an Emancipation Proclamation which is directed not at Palestine or Israel, but the Middle East and Iran, effectively calling their bluff on caring about Palestine.

Unless there's a viable party in Gaza not hell bent on murdering all Jews, its going nowhere positive.

Unless they manage to find a Palestinian, in Gaza or in exile, who has any influence in the community, willing to live in peace with Jews, that declaration is just more antisemitism.

It impresses me how positive you are about your responses to posts you didn't even bother to read. The point of the declaration is to call the bluff of the Middle East and Iran regarding the Palestinians.

Who's bluff and about what? Iran and Hamas have managed to figure out how to use western weakness against itself, ie that we respect agreements and laws. While they couldn't give less of a shit. Statehood or not means nothing to Iran. They just want whatever that will stop Israel from destroying Hamas.

There's no evidence anywhere Palestinians have any interest in peaceful co-existance with Jews.

That sounds like a declaration for genocide from you against the Palestinians.

Why do you think that's what it sounds like? I'm just trying to follow your line of thought? If there is one.

What it looks like is Gazans being rewarded for the 7/10 attack and that they refuse to give up the hostages. Its not a good look for UK or France

Yup, you want them exterminated.

What are you talking about?

 

[Tigers!]

There is just so much hatred in that part of the world that I would despair of anyone wanting to live in peace with each other.

That's religion for you.

That people for you.
Religious, non-religious - neither have the monopoly on hatred.

Sure. But to hate entire populations of folks you have never even met; That requires religion.

Not really.
Lenin/Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao et al. were very successful at getting parts of their population to hate those they had never met eg. Kulaks, educated etc. without needing to use religion.
An identifiable other is all that is required and then propaganda. Religion is a common way but by no means the only way.

 

[bilby]

Lenin/Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao et al.

All had cult followings that look exactly like religions to me. They were God Kings in the style of the ancient Roman and not so ancient Japanese empires.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18507857

In some parts of Georgia, Stalin is still worshipped as a God.

https://www.new-east-archive.org/features/show/7954/red-nostalgia-stalin-worship-georgia-photography