We are trying to determine how trans-women can access an area they have a right to be in
I'm like 95% on board with you, but not with this. No male has a right to be in female-only spaces. How they identify to themselves in their subjective and unverifiable minds is of no account. They are still male, that cannot be changed. And no male has a *right* to be in female spaces. They might have *permission* from women in some cases, but not a *right*.
I get that. The trouble, your definition while in most cases is undeniable fact, we are talking about the few cases it is not, where it is gray, and muddled. And our understanding of what is and isn't gender extends past sexual organs. I get you don't want to go there, for whatever reason. But it seems undeniable that despite the organs trans people have, their gender (not merely how they "identify") is different from the organs. The only way for this to be true is that gender is a lot more neurological than it is physical. In general, these align nicely, but not always.
Twenty years ago, I would have agreed. Now I do not.
Let me be clear: there are some few people with intense dysphoria. In some of those people, there is a neurological problem with self-perception, similar in nature to the neurological disconnect associated with anorexia and with BIID. Those people exist. And for those people, surgical transition frequently ends up being the only avenue to peace. I get that, and I feel great sympathy for them.
And even ten years ago, I would have happily been willing to accommodate those few males as if they were figurative women, and allow them into my single-sex spaces.
But those are NOT the same people who are currently identifying as trans. They simply aren't. In fact, those people get labeled as "tru-scum" and are ill-treated by the current generation of "trans" people.
Please, go spend some time on reddit, on twitter, on instagram, on tiktok, on youtube. Go and actually look into what the current transgender organizations are asking for, and look at the people they are fighting for. Go look at the numerous events where women have come together to try to discuss the conflict between transgender and women's rights. Go look at the hordes of people who show up to terrorize those women, who harass and threaten them.
This is one of the barriers with this entire topic. Almost everyone is carrying around an image of what a transgender person is... and that image is two decades out of touch with now. Everyone carries around an image of trans as being Blair White, hell, I'll even give you Laverne Cox.
But counted among the current group of transgender identified males are also the likes of Alex Drummond, Danielle Muscato, Jessica Yaniv, and yes - Eddie Izzard.
You are very generously and graciously extending an assumption to all transgender people, that everyone who claims a transgender identity actually has this disconnect between brain and body that you reference. The problem is that the current transgender rights activists are very vocal that gender dysphoria is NOT required for a person to be transgender.
Genuinely - go spend some time in those spaces that trans people frequent, especially online. Go immerse yourself in it. Go see what is actually going on. It's not what you think it is. It used to be that, but it no longer is.
I really think you're misreading Jimmy's post. I mean, really really misreading it.
