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No word on physically restraining him, or knees to necks for several minutes.
Gee, a cop defending a cop. That's so rare.
No word on physically restraining him, or knees to necks for several minutes.
Not a single cop in the western world would agree with this. This is a glaring example of what's so fucked about US law enforcement.I don’t know why you find this significant. Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).
Cops in the US habitually lie on their reports. And yes, details are important when you killed somebody on the street.Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).
It was false by omission. The police deliberately left out important information that reflected poorly on their decisions and actions.I don’t know why you find this significant. Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false.So, are you just going to not answer the question? "if what the police did was above board and legitimate, why did they mention almost nothing about the events of the arrest in their report?"
Except when you OD you don't feel like you can't breathe.Hello? He was saying he couldn’t breathe. That’s why they had to take him out of the cop car. That he could speak before the fentanyl finally did him is a surprise to you, why? Lots of addicts on the verge of death able to speak before the narcan.So fucking what? Mr. Floyd was alive when he spoke.
This is true. Not being able to breathe isn't related to fentanyl overdose.Except when you OD you don't feel like you can't breathe.Hello? He was saying he couldn’t breathe. That’s why they had to take him out of the cop car. That he could speak before the fentanyl finally did him is a surprise to you, why? Lots of addicts on the verge of death able to speak before the narcan.So fucking what? Mr. Floyd was alive when he spoke.
Or like any detail. Let's see.Cops in the US habitually lie on their reports. And yes, details are important when you killed somebody on the street.Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).
How different is what these officers did than what the officers did to George Floyd?Sorry about the frothing * wipes up keyboard with towel*. Yeah, I guess you were speaking in generalities about hate, but the OP is about the Tyre Nichols case in particular, which your answer doesn't seem to address. To me, the Tyree case looks to be about some police officers with anger issues, sadistic tendencies and on a power trip. They should never have been cops in the first place.He asked why we all hate each other so much. Those are the usual reasons. Your frothing response is not disproving my assertion.In the Tyre Nichols case? Five black men beating up another black man? Do all five black police officers hate black people, and that's why they did it? Or is their some "behind the scenes" racisim involving non-blacks to explain the situation? And if so, what is the other race responsible? Chinese? Native American? White? Pacific Islander?Racism and class violence.Why do you people hate each other so much?
Five times longer sentence for doing an act that but for Floyd's extreme fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication would very likely not have been deadly at all, vs. shooting somebody for no reason.Amazing - an experienced police officer methodically and brutally took over 8 minutes to kill someone in custody got a longer sentence than an inexperienced officer who killed some one in a split second.
In this case it differentiated wrongly, no matter how much you want to excuse Noor because he is a black Muslim who shot somebody white for no reason. At least Chauvin had a reason to detain Floyd (passing fake money).It is almost as if the justice system can differentiate among criminal acts.
No. That statement is literally very wrong.Okay, let's compare Derek Chauvin with quite literally the only cop in America you've ever condemned.
And he ended up getting off with a very light sentence.Noor had 3 complaints against him as a cop. Chauvin had 18. Immediately after Justine Damond there was a call for an investigation and it received international notice. Noor was charged almost immediately.
You mean until the rioters burned this bitch down?Chauvin would have gotten away with it if there wasn't public footage. Noor's incident report was far far more accurate than Chauvin's in regards to what happened. And despite all of that, Chauvin was still going to be charged with lesser crimes if the feds didn't step in. Simply put, there no effort to charge Chauvin until the public did the cops fucking job for them.
Noor certainly did. 5 years for deliberately shooting an innocent woman vs. 25 years for accidentally contributing to death (i.e. let's not ignore the drugs in Floyd's system) of a felon.So, yeah. Black cops get special privilege.
That's not a "racist claim", that's reality.It's amazing to me how you are all over correcting people's typos and word choices and yet you still feel that you are perfectly ok with clinging to the racist claim that George Floyd would not have died if he had not had any drugs in his system.
Those are high levels of drugs. Fentanyl in particular can cause apnea.Hennepin County Medical Examiner said:A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
His lungs were not healthy either.Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension
Pulmonary edema is very common with fatal fentanyl overdoses.RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The right and left lungs weigh 1085 and
1015 g, respectively. The external surfaces are pink only on the
most anterior aspects, and deep red-purple in all other areas.
The pulmonary parenchyma is diffusely congested and edematous.
Common Findings and Predictive Measures of Opioid OverdosesPelletier and Andrew (2017) said:Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl.
[citation needed]Despite the FACT that MEDICAL EXAMINERS who have expertise and first hand knowledge of having examined the corpse of George Floyd have stated unequivocally that George Floyd died due to lack of oxygen due to the fact that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes. A maneuver KNOWN to be deadly because it had resulted in the deaths of many other people and was/is banned by many police forces because it is deadly.
Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.That's not a "racist claim", that's reality.It's amazing to me how you are all over correcting people's typos and word choices and yet you still feel that you are perfectly ok with clinging to the racist claim that George Floyd would not have died if he had not had any drugs in his system.
From his autopsy report:
Those are high levels of drugs. Fentanyl in particular can cause apnea.Hennepin County Medical Examiner said:A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
He also had significant heart problems.
His lungs were not healthy either.Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension
Pulmonary edema is very common with fatal fentanyl overdoses.RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The right and left lungs weigh 1085 and
1015 g, respectively. The external surfaces are pink only on the
most anterior aspects, and deep red-purple in all other areas.
The pulmonary parenchyma is diffusely congested and edematous.
Common Findings and Predictive Measures of Opioid OverdosesPelletier and Andrew (2017) said:Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl.
To argue that his heart problems combined with the drug cocktail he had in his system did not significantly contribute to his death is just ridiculous. It was done because they wanted to railroad Chauvin et al in order to appease the #BLM/Antifa rioters who were burning down not only Minneapolis but other US cities as well. It did not really work. Rioters continued rioting.
[citation needed]Despite the FACT that MEDICAL EXAMINERS who have expertise and first hand knowledge of having examined the corpse of George Floyd have stated unequivocally that George Floyd died due to lack of oxygen due to the fact that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes. A maneuver KNOWN to be deadly because it had resulted in the deaths of many other people and was/is banned by many police forces because it is deadly.
How many deaths? How many of those deaths did not include serious medical problems and/or acute drug intoxication?
They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.
Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.
They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.
If it was, say, Mohammed Noor who knelt on some white dopehead's neck with 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly and purple, edematous lungs, he'd not have seen the inside of a jail cell at all.
Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.
Dr. Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, said Floyd died after police “subdual, restraint and neck compression” caused his heart and lungs to stop. He said heart disease and drug use were factors but not the “top line” causes. He said Floyd had an enlarged heart that needed more oxygen than normal, as well as narrowed arteries.
Mr. Noor made a split second mistake that took a life. Also. Mr Noor was originally also convicted for manslaughter with a 12 and 1/2 sentence which was thrown out by an appellate court on a technicality, so your "five times longer" is inaccurate.Five times longer sentence for doing an act that but for Floyd's extreme fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication would very likely not have been deadly at all, vs. shooting somebody for no reason.Amazing - an experienced police officer methodically and brutally took over 8 minutes to kill someone in custody got a longer sentence than an inexperienced officer who killed some one in a split second.
And I do not see why Noor's relative inexperience should let him off the hook with only a short sentence.
"St. George Floyd"? Are you trying to funny or just bigoted?Is it because the person he killed is lower on the progressive stack than St. George Floyd?
No one is excusing Mr. Noor. I think he got off lightly (and said so at the time). Pointing out that Mr. Chauvin's actions were worse is not excusing Mr. Noor.Derec said:In this case it differentiated wrongly, no matter how much you want to excuse Noor because he is a black Muslim who shot somebody white for no reason. At least Chauvin had a reason to detain Floyd (passing fake money).
I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.
There's also the minor detail that this has happened many times before just with no camera around. People have been pissed off for a while about the unconditional faith Police have that they clearly don't deserve. It's why the phrase, "giving your child The Talk" can mean two very different things depending on the family in the US.I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.
Both are deadly and you know it. Police Departments know it as well, which is why the maneuver is banned in many states and police departments.They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.
If it was, say, Mohammed Noor who knelt on some white dopehead's neck with 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly and purple, edematous lungs, he'd not have seen the inside of a jail cell at all.
Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.
As a minor technicality, I believe there was anger about both shootings. But any person with any sense to them understands the circumstances between the two were quite different. And neither was justifiable... and neither of them is part of what happened regarding the OP. As yet again, another derail regarding police violence.I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.
George Floyd was more of a symbol of how police often treat poor, unarmed, black men, regardless if they are drug addicts, former criminals or innocent, educated young men with a positive outlook. Plus, it's not just that Floyd was murdered. He was tortured. There is no justification for some who is supposed to be protecting the public to treat another human being like Floyd was treated. I am far more disgusted by the behavior of the person who murdered George Floyd, than I am that Floyd has been used as a symbol, a symbol that people easily recognize and it reminds them that we have a serious problem with unjustified police violence, falsely committed in the name of law and order.No. That statement is literally very wrong.Okay, let's compare Derek Chauvin with quite literally the only cop in America you've ever condemned.
But why do you and other leftists have this burning desire to defend Noor? Is it because he is black? Muslim? Immigrant? Because he shot somebody white?
And he ended up getting off with a very light sentence.Noor had 3 complaints against him as a cop. Chauvin had 18. Immediately after Justine Damond there was a call for an investigation and it received international notice. Noor was charged almost immediately.
Note that the AG of Minnesota is not only a fellow black Muslim, but also somebody who was close to the anti-Semitic and anti-white Nation of Islam.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures
Despite his ties to racist black supremacists, he is very popular in the Democratic Party and has even served as DNC chairman.
You mean until the rioters burned this bitch down?Chauvin would have gotten away with it if there wasn't public footage. Noor's incident report was far far more accurate than Chauvin's in regards to what happened. And despite all of that, Chauvin was still going to be charged with lesser crimes if the feds didn't step in. Simply put, there no effort to charge Chauvin until the public did the cops fucking job for them.
I do think Chauvin acted wrongly. I do not think he is guilty of murder. He was railroaded to appease #BLM rioters.
The effect the extreme fentanyl
Noor certainly did. 5 years for deliberately shooting an innocent woman vs. 25 years for accidentally contributing to death (i.e. let's not ignore the drugs in Floyd's system) of a felon.So, yeah. Black cops get special privilege.
You do the fucking math!
To me it is disgusting how much undeserved glorification George Floyd received. Murals, things named after him. All that for an armed robber, counterfeiter and drug fiend. But he was black, so nothing he did was ever his fault.