George Floyd murderer's trial

[ZiprHead]

No word on physically restraining him, or knees to necks for several minutes.

Gee, a cop defending a cop. That's so rare.

 

[Patooka]

I don’t know why you find this significant. Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).

Not a single cop in the western world would agree with this. This is a glaring example of what's so fucked about US law enforcement.

 

[atrib]

Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).

Cops in the US habitually lie on their reports. And yes, details are important when you killed somebody on the street.

 

[laughing dog]

So, are you just going to not answer the question? "if what the police did was above board and legitimate, why did they mention almost nothing about the events of the arrest in their report?"

I don’t know why you find this significant. Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false.

It was false by omission. The police deliberately left out important information that reflected poorly on their decisions and actions.

BTW, one would expect a detailed report when the police action involved the death of a suspect. Especially in this day and age and when people are likely to film the encounter.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So fucking what? Mr. Floyd was alive when he spoke.

Hello? He was saying he couldn’t breathe. That’s why they had to take him out of the cop car. That he could speak before the fentanyl finally did him is a surprise to you, why? Lots of addicts on the verge of death able to speak before the narcan.

Except when you OD you don't feel like you can't breathe.

 

[ZiprHead]

So fucking what? Mr. Floyd was alive when he spoke.

Hello? He was saying he couldn’t breathe. That’s why they had to take him out of the cop car. That he could speak before the fentanyl finally did him is a surprise to you, why? Lots of addicts on the verge of death able to speak before the narcan.

Except when you OD you don't feel like you can't breathe.

This is true. Not being able to breathe isn't related to fentanyl overdose.

What does a fentanyl overdose look like? – MO-HOPE Project

mohopeproject.org

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Cops don’t like writing reports, so they keep them brief. Nothing in the police report was false. (Do you really imagine that police do minute to minute detail in reports?).

Cops in the US habitually lie on their reports. And yes, details are important when you killed somebody on the street.

Or like any detail. Let's see.

*Officer typing*
JFK in Dallas, drives in open car.
JFK appeared to show signs of medical distre...
Officer: Hey Mike, distress have one or two s'sss.
Mike: 2 s's.
Officer: ...
Mike: At the end.
Officer: Ah, got it, thanks.
JFK appeared to show signs of medical distress..
Pronounced dead at hospital.

 

[Toni]

Why do you people hate each other so much?

Racism and class violence.

In the Tyre Nichols case? Five black men beating up another black man? Do all five black police officers hate black people, and that's why they did it? Or is their some "behind the scenes" racisim involving non-blacks to explain the situation? And if so, what is the other race responsible? Chinese? Native American? White? Pacific Islander?

He asked why we all hate each other so much. Those are the usual reasons. Your frothing response is not disproving my assertion.

Sorry about the frothing * wipes up keyboard with towel*. Yeah, I guess you were speaking in generalities about hate, but the OP is about the Tyre Nichols case in particular, which your answer doesn't seem to address. To me, the Tyree case looks to be about some police officers with anger issues, sadistic tendencies and on a power trip. They should never have been cops in the first place.

How different is what these officers did than what the officers did to George Floyd?

It's not a special, isolated case. People ask why this young man ran? Why would he NOT run?

About 8-10 years ago, I was driving home from work on a winter' evening. It was dark, cold and there was a lot of snow on the ground. It had snowed during the day as well but plows had been out, so main roads were decent. Decent by the standards of people in my northern state. I was driving from one small city where I worked about 50 miles to the very small city/town where I lived and the last 10 miles involved driving through a wooded stretch, with winding hilly roads and some very steep drop offs as you made your way into and then out of a narrow valley. I had not gone very far down the initial decent into the valley, just around the first curves when I noticed that cars were backed up. It being a pretty rural area, there wasn't a lot of traffic at any time, much less on a winter's night but people did commute from my town to the city where I worked or from smaller towns to my town: it was not an isolated road. Anyway, it was obvious that there had been an accident. I could see lights flashing of police cars and ambulances. There was no cell phone reception where I was: signals blocked in the valley. I could not call to let my husband know I would be later than expected. I waited and saw first one and then some minutes later, a second ambulance leave the scene. Not headed towards my town where there was a hospital but towards the city I had left where there was a larger, and much better hospital where I would want to go if I were injured. I knew it must be a bad accident. I waited a while longer. Just about 15 yards and several cars ahead of me was a patrol car with officers holding traffic back. It was well lit, between the headlights and the emergency flares. The officer standing outside the car was talking with the guy in the first car. It seemed obvious that they knew each other. I figured they were friends or even relatives and probably catching each other up on the latest news. It was obviously a friendly, relaxed conversation by the demeanor of the officer and the driver. I waited a while and began to calculate whether I would be better off backtracking and going down a different road which would end up taking me at least an extra 30 minutes. I tried to wave the officer to get his attention to ask if he knew when the accident would be cleared but he wasn't noticing me at all. So after about 5 minutes of trying to get his attention, I got out of my car. I was at this point....late middle age, if one is being kind. I'm short, overweight, white female. Pretty much as non-threatening as it is possible to be. I was wearing work clothes and a winter jacket. My coat was not buttoned: my car was warm. I waved at the officer as I walked towards him. I was maybe 15 feet away before he noticed me--and he reached inside his jacket for his holster.

Fortunately I am white, and female and I never, ever, ever have any firearms with me or in my vehicle or in my home. Ever. But I could have been shot right there because I was slowly walking up to a police officer to ask a question, at night but well lit by headlights which bounced off of the snow: you could have read a book by that light.

The officer was distracted by his conversation with the guy in the car which is why he didn't see me wave, and didn't see me approach until I had walked a little distance. I was clearly a short, fat unarmed white woman. And his first reaction was to reach for his gun.

Police should not carry firearms.

 

[Derec]

Amazing - an experienced police officer methodically and brutally took over 8 minutes to kill someone in custody got a longer sentence than an inexperienced officer who killed some one in a split second.

Five times longer sentence for doing an act that but for Floyd's extreme fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication would very likely not have been deadly at all, vs. shooting somebody for no reason.
And I do not see why Noor's relative inexperience should let him off the hook with only a short sentence.
Is it because the person he killed is lower on the progressive stack than St. George Floyd?

It is almost as if the justice system can differentiate among criminal acts.

In this case it differentiated wrongly, no matter how much you want to excuse Noor because he is a black Muslim who shot somebody white for no reason. At least Chauvin had a reason to detain Floyd (passing fake money).

 

[Derec]

Okay, let's compare Derek Chauvin with quite literally the only cop in America you've ever condemned.

No. That statement is literally very wrong.
But why do you and other leftists have this burning desire to defend Noor? Is it because he is black? Muslim? Immigrant? Because he shot somebody white?

Noor had 3 complaints against him as a cop. Chauvin had 18. Immediately after Justine Damond there was a call for an investigation and it received international notice. Noor was charged almost immediately.

And he ended up getting off with a very light sentence.
Note that the AG of Minnesota is not only a fellow black Muslim, but also somebody who was close to the anti-Semitic and anti-white Nation of Islam.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures
Despite his ties to racist black supremacists, he is very popular in the Democratic Party and has even served as DNC chairman.

Chauvin would have gotten away with it if there wasn't public footage. Noor's incident report was far far more accurate than Chauvin's in regards to what happened. And despite all of that, Chauvin was still going to be charged with lesser crimes if the feds didn't step in. Simply put, there no effort to charge Chauvin until the public did the cops fucking job for them.

You mean until the rioters burned this bitch down?

I do think Chauvin acted wrongly. I do not think he is guilty of murder. He was railroaded to appease #BLM rioters.
The effect the extreme fentanyl

So, yeah. Black cops get special privilege.

Noor certainly did. 5 years for deliberately shooting an innocent woman vs. 25 years for accidentally contributing to death (i.e. let's not ignore the drugs in Floyd's system) of a felon.
You do the fucking math!

To me it is disgusting how much undeserved glorification George Floyd received. Murals, things named after him. All that for an armed robber, counterfeiter and drug fiend. But he was black, so nothing he did was ever his fault.

 

[Derec]

It's amazing to me how you are all over correcting people's typos and word choices and yet you still feel that you are perfectly ok with clinging to the racist claim that George Floyd would not have died if he had not had any drugs in his system.

That's not a "racist claim", that's reality.
From his autopsy report:

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

Those are high levels of drugs. Fentanyl in particular can cause apnea.
He also had significant heart problems.

Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension

His lungs were not healthy either.

RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The right and left lungs weigh 1085 and
1015 g, respectively. The external surfaces are pink only on the
most anterior aspects, and deep red-purple in all other areas.
The pulmonary parenchyma is diffusely congested and edematous.

Pulmonary edema is very common with fatal fentanyl overdoses.

Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl.

Common Findings and Predictive Measures of Opioid Overdoses

To argue that his heart problems combined with the drug cocktail he had in his system did not significantly contribute to his death is just ridiculous. It was done because they wanted to railroad Chauvin et al in order to appease the #BLM/Antifa rioters who were burning down not only Minneapolis but other US cities as well. It did not really work. Rioters continued rioting.

Despite the FACT that MEDICAL EXAMINERS who have expertise and first hand knowledge of having examined the corpse of George Floyd have stated unequivocally that George Floyd died due to lack of oxygen due to the fact that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes. A maneuver KNOWN to be deadly because it had resulted in the deaths of many other people and was/is banned by many police forces because it is deadly.

[citation needed]
How many deaths? How many of those deaths did not include serious medical problems and/or acute drug intoxication?

 

[Toni]

It's amazing to me how you are all over correcting people's typos and word choices and yet you still feel that you are perfectly ok with clinging to the racist claim that George Floyd would not have died if he had not had any drugs in his system.

That's not a "racist claim", that's reality.
From his autopsy report:

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

Those are high levels of drugs. Fentanyl in particular can cause apnea.
He also had significant heart problems.

Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension

His lungs were not healthy either.

RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The right and left lungs weigh 1085 and
1015 g, respectively. The external surfaces are pink only on the
most anterior aspects, and deep red-purple in all other areas.
The pulmonary parenchyma is diffusely congested and edematous.

Pulmonary edema is very common with fatal fentanyl overdoses.

Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl.

Common Findings and Predictive Measures of Opioid Overdoses

To argue that his heart problems combined with the drug cocktail he had in his system did not significantly contribute to his death is just ridiculous. It was done because they wanted to railroad Chauvin et al in order to appease the #BLM/Antifa rioters who were burning down not only Minneapolis but other US cities as well. It did not really work. Rioters continued rioting.

Despite the FACT that MEDICAL EXAMINERS who have expertise and first hand knowledge of having examined the corpse of George Floyd have stated unequivocally that George Floyd died due to lack of oxygen due to the fact that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes. A maneuver KNOWN to be deadly because it had resulted in the deaths of many other people and was/is banned by many police forces because it is deadly.

[citation needed]
How many deaths? How many of those deaths did not include serious medical problems and/or acute drug intoxication?

Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.

If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.

 

[Derec]

Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.

They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.
If it was, say, Mohammed Noor who knelt on some white dopehead's neck with 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly and purple, edematous lungs, he'd not have seen the inside of a jail cell at all.

If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

 

[Toni]

Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.

They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.
If it was, say, Mohammed Noor who knelt on some white dopehead's neck with 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly and purple, edematous lungs, he'd not have seen the inside of a jail cell at all.

If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

Medical examiner: No pressure on Floyd autopsy report

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — The chief medical examiner who deemed George Floyd's death a homicide testified Tuesday that nobody pressured him to include anything in his autopsy report, as defense attorneys at the trial of three former Minneapolis police officers charged with violating Floyd’s civil...

apnews.com

Dr. Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, said Floyd died after police “subdual, restraint and neck compression” caused his heart and lungs to stop. He said heart disease and drug use were factors but not the “top line” causes. He said Floyd had an enlarged heart that needed more oxygen than normal, as well as narrowed arteries.

 

[laughing dog]

Amazing - an experienced police officer methodically and brutally took over 8 minutes to kill someone in custody got a longer sentence than an inexperienced officer who killed some one in a split second.

Five times longer sentence for doing an act that but for Floyd's extreme fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication would very likely not have been deadly at all, vs. shooting somebody for no reason.
And I do not see why Noor's relative inexperience should let him off the hook with only a short sentence.

Mr. Noor made a split second mistake that took a life. Also. Mr Noor was originally also convicted for manslaughter with a 12 and 1/2 sentence which was thrown out by an appellate court on a technicality, so your "five times longer" is inaccurate.

Mr. Chauvin - an experienced officer who should have known better - had over 8 minutes to stop his brutal assault on a subdued suspect.

Is it because the person he killed is lower on the progressive stack than St. George Floyd?

"St. George Floyd"? Are you trying to funny or just bigoted?

In this case it differentiated wrongly, no matter how much you want to excuse Noor because he is a black Muslim who shot somebody white for no reason. At least Chauvin had a reason to detain Floyd (passing fake money).

No one is excusing Mr. Noor. I think he got off lightly (and said so at the time). Pointing out that Mr. Chauvin's actions were worse is not excusing Mr. Noor.

At least it took you two posts this time to fling out the bigoted conclusion that Mr. Noor received better treatment because of his race and religion.

 

[laughing dog]

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.

 

[Patooka]

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.

There's also the minor detail that this has happened many times before just with no camera around. People have been pissed off for a while about the unconditional faith Police have that they clearly don't deserve. It's why the phrase, "giving your child The Talk" can mean two very different things depending on the family in the US.

 

[Toni]

Medical examiners determined that he died due to asphyxiation due to someone kneeling on his neck.

They were under a lot of pressure to railroad Chauvin due to all the riots and also due to racial politics.
If it was, say, Mohammed Noor who knelt on some white dopehead's neck with 11 ng/mL of fentanyl and atherosclerosis, cardiomegaly and purple, edematous lungs, he'd not have seen the inside of a jail cell at all.

If I had a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and someone shot me in the head, killing me, my cause of death would still be the gunshot to the head.

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

Both are deadly and you know it. Police Departments know it as well, which is why the maneuver is banned in many states and police departments.

I don't think that Noor got off lightly because of his race. I think he was only charged because of his race. I think that if he had been white and/or Justine Damond had been black, there would have been zero charges against Noor. He might have faced disciplinary action including being fired--it seems clear that he was not cut out to be a police officer.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Except he wasn't shot. The action of kneeling on somebody is not comparable to a gunshot to the head, and you know it.

I agree. A kneejerk reaction of a gunshot to the head (or any body part) is not comparable to someone kneeling on the neck of a person for over 8 minutes while they cry for help and then die. Most of the world understands that. Which is why so many people were outraged by Mr. Chauvin's act.

As a minor technicality, I believe there was anger about both shootings. But any person with any sense to them understands the circumstances between the two were quite different. And neither was justifiable... and neither of them is part of what happened regarding the OP. As yet again, another derail regarding police violence.

 

[southernhybrid]

Okay, let's compare Derek Chauvin with quite literally the only cop in America you've ever condemned.

No. That statement is literally very wrong.
But why do you and other leftists have this burning desire to defend Noor? Is it because he is black? Muslim? Immigrant? Because he shot somebody white?

Noor had 3 complaints against him as a cop. Chauvin had 18. Immediately after Justine Damond there was a call for an investigation and it received international notice. Noor was charged almost immediately.

And he ended up getting off with a very light sentence.
Note that the AG of Minnesota is not only a fellow black Muslim, but also somebody who was close to the anti-Semitic and anti-white Nation of Islam.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures
Despite his ties to racist black supremacists, he is very popular in the Democratic Party and has even served as DNC chairman.

Chauvin would have gotten away with it if there wasn't public footage. Noor's incident report was far far more accurate than Chauvin's in regards to what happened. And despite all of that, Chauvin was still going to be charged with lesser crimes if the feds didn't step in. Simply put, there no effort to charge Chauvin until the public did the cops fucking job for them.

You mean until the rioters burned this bitch down?

I do think Chauvin acted wrongly. I do not think he is guilty of murder. He was railroaded to appease #BLM rioters.
The effect the extreme fentanyl

So, yeah. Black cops get special privilege.

Noor certainly did. 5 years for deliberately shooting an innocent woman vs. 25 years for accidentally contributing to death (i.e. let's not ignore the drugs in Floyd's system) of a felon.
You do the fucking math!

To me it is disgusting how much undeserved glorification George Floyd received. Murals, things named after him. All that for an armed robber, counterfeiter and drug fiend. But he was black, so nothing he did was ever his fault.

George Floyd was more of a symbol of how police often treat poor, unarmed, black men, regardless if they are drug addicts, former criminals or innocent, educated young men with a positive outlook. Plus, it's not just that Floyd was murdered. He was tortured. There is no justification for some who is supposed to be protecting the public to treat another human being like Floyd was treated. I am far more disgusted by the behavior of the person who murdered George Floyd, than I am that Floyd has been used as a symbol, a symbol that people easily recognize and it reminds them that we have a serious problem with unjustified police violence, falsely committed in the name of law and order.