Merged Greenland is part of NATO via Denmark

[Shadowy Man]

The evil mother fucker is bent on destroying our relations with Europe and destroying NATO - exactly what Putin wants.

The mother fucker will isolate the US on the world state except for putting the in league with the worst tyrants.

Meanwhile, CNN is reporting on a new poll.

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75% of Americans oppose US attempting to take control of Greenland, CNN poll finds​

Three-quarters of Americans say they oppose the United States attempting to take control of Greenland, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, indicating that President Donald Trump’s push to expand America’s territory faces stiff headwinds with the public.


The survey finds just 25% of Americans favor the US attempting to take control of the Danish territory. Even the president’s partisans are about evenly divided, with 50% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they support it and 50% opposed. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are deeply against the move, with 94% opposed overall, including 80% who say they strongly oppose it. About 8 in 10 independents who don’t lean toward either party are also opposed.

What will it take to get Congress to act and stop his madness?

Only 75% opposed!

Trump only cares about half of Americans and nearly half of those approve. Sounds like an overwhelming mandate!

 

[Elixir]

Will the idiot scumbag step back from starting a war with NATO? I'm not sure he will.

WHY SHOULD HE?
If anything in America returns to “normal” he goes to jail and/ or is put to death.
Attacking a NATO country, obligating the rest of NATO to fight against us and putting us on the side of Putin (a fellow perv), invoking the insurrection act and canceling the midterms, is OBVIOUSLY the way to stay out of jail.
He will make however big a shitstorm it takes, for people to say “Jeffrey WHO?” and forget about elections and incarcerating the fraudster, because there will be more urgent emergency conditions that he is currently fabricating.

A real insurrection, or a low level civil war, both possible, given his incitement, both that he is sure to win, would save his sorry ass for the rest of his life.

Yes, and…?
Doesn’t matter. If every protester dug a hole and hid in it and nobody ever engaged the ICE thugs, he would declare THAT to be a “NATIONAL EMERGENCY!!!” and declare martial law. Baby steps of course. First, the insurrection act. Whether or not the ensuing abuse provoked a reaction, martial law will follow in time to prevent the elections this fall.
Predictable as gravity.
Maybe Iran will save us.

 

[crazyfingers]

The evil mother fucker is bent on destroying our relations with Europe and destroying NATO - exactly what Putin wants.

The mother fucker will isolate the US on the world state except for putting the in league with the worst tyrants.

Meanwhile, CNN is reporting on a new poll.

​

75% of Americans oppose US attempting to take control of Greenland, CNN poll finds​

Three-quarters of Americans say they oppose the United States attempting to take control of Greenland, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, indicating that President Donald Trump’s push to expand America’s territory faces stiff headwinds with the public.


The survey finds just 25% of Americans favor the US attempting to take control of the Danish territory. Even the president’s partisans are about evenly divided, with 50% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they support it and 50% opposed. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are deeply against the move, with 94% opposed overall, including 80% who say they strongly oppose it. About 8 in 10 independents who don’t lean toward either party are also opposed.

What will it take to get Congress to act and stop his madness?

Only 75% opposed!

Trump only cares about half of Americans and nearly half of those approve. Sounds like an overwhelming mandate!

Only half of Republicans and Republican leaning independents are 50/50. So only half of his cult supports taking Greenland.

 

[crazyfingers]

Only 75% opposed!

Yes it should be 90% given that a good 10% of poll takers don't understand the question.

You could ask a poll question "Is the sky up and the ground down" and 10% would get it wrong.

 

[Shadowy Man]

The evil mother fucker is bent on destroying our relations with Europe and destroying NATO - exactly what Putin wants.

The mother fucker will isolate the US on the world state except for putting the in league with the worst tyrants.

Meanwhile, CNN is reporting on a new poll.

​

75% of Americans oppose US attempting to take control of Greenland, CNN poll finds​

Three-quarters of Americans say they oppose the United States attempting to take control of Greenland, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, indicating that President Donald Trump’s push to expand America’s territory faces stiff headwinds with the public.


The survey finds just 25% of Americans favor the US attempting to take control of the Danish territory. Even the president’s partisans are about evenly divided, with 50% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they support it and 50% opposed. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are deeply against the move, with 94% opposed overall, including 80% who say they strongly oppose it. About 8 in 10 independents who don’t lean toward either party are also opposed.

What will it take to get Congress to act and stop his madness?

Only 75% opposed!

Trump only cares about half of Americans and nearly half of those approve. Sounds like an overwhelming mandate!

Only half of Republicans and Republican leaning independents are 50/50. So only half of his cult supports taking Greenland.

Landslide approval!! Greatest landslide ever!!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The evil mother fucker is bent on destroying our relations with Europe and destroying NATO - exactly what Putin wants.

The mother fucker will isolate the US on the world state except for putting the in league with the worst tyrants.

Meanwhile, CNN is reporting on a new poll.

​

75% of Americans oppose US attempting to take control of Greenland, CNN poll finds​

Three-quarters of Americans say they oppose the United States attempting to take control of Greenland, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, indicating that President Donald Trump’s push to expand America’s territory faces stiff headwinds with the public.


The survey finds just 25% of Americans favor the US attempting to take control of the Danish territory. Even the president’s partisans are about evenly divided, with 50% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they support it and 50% opposed. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are deeply against the move, with 94% opposed overall, including 80% who say they strongly oppose it. About 8 in 10 independents who don’t lean toward either party are also opposed.

What will it take to get Congress to act and stop his madness?

Only 75% opposed!

I think that is 75% oppose getting Greenland. 86% oppose seizing it.

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

Four nations sending military personnel to Greenland:

MSN

Only four? where is the rest of NATO? where are the ukrainian troops? They want to be in NATO? here is their chance.

Anyway, they are not sent there to defend Greenland from US, they are sent there to defend Greenland from ....... Russia/China That's what they say.

Basically, Orange said that he needs Greenland to better security of NATO and EU say OK we can better it ourselves, no need to take it over. Of course they know that Trump wants to have it just for bragging. So EU efforts are probably futile.

I wonder how many trumpers (the ones who go to his stupid "concerts") actually want Greenland. I mean he himself really wants Greenland in order to mumble about it on these stupid rallies.
It's actually amazing how your system is unable to stop this guy.

 

[barbos]

I think that is 75% oppose getting Greenland. 86% oppose seizing it.

That's useless info. That's not Trump's audience. His audience are the people who go to his rallies.

 

[DrZoidberg]

US must be well informed about EU critters phone conversations among themselves. So EU will not go against US.
Some people in Deep State are behind all of this, not just the Orange.
But I wish Denmark does all of that.

One need not eaves drop on telephone conversations to understand treaties and the text of alliance agreements. If Trump attacks Greenland then Nato's Article 5 kicks in.

Of course I wouldn't expect YOU to understand the concept of a country being expected to uphold their signed written agreements.

I think Trump is testing whether or not NATO has any resolve. It's clear that Trump has no respect for the EU or NATO. And there's nothing the European navies have that can stop USA. Trump knows it and Denmark knows it. If there's a fight it'll be the kind of fight Putin hoped Russia would have in Ukraine, but didn't. The biggest price will be that USA will be a pariah state and joins the Axis of Evil countries. But Trump may not care about that.

If there's a land war on European soil the European countries will most likely win against USA. But in the arctic... nope. Not a chance.

Land war in Europe? The US military isn't set up for a land war in Europe. It'd take a while to even mobilize the fight. And last time we did, the coastal areas were on the same side.

The US easily can take Greenland. But I imagine it'll be a scorched Earth maneuver. It'd be costly, deploying troops to occupy a small area isn't cheap, even if there is no violence. Losing health care will make the locals angry, something would happen. And in Congress, there would be a need to authorize spending for the occupation. That won't happen in the Senate. It'll be filibustered to the ground.

Trade relations will evaporate, Europe will turn to China. It'll isolate the US, which is exactly what Russia would love. Of course, if Europe turns to China, that isn't exactly in Russia's favor either, but unlike China, Russia doesn't have much of a forward focus. It is the only nation that looks to the future in the past.

Finally, just because the US military takes Greenland doesn't mean the US has Greenland. International law would get really weird if the part of the Government doesn't recognize the US owns Greenland.

I think it'll change things more radically than that. The rule of law and respecting international treaties would go away. The world would decend into world war again. It'll be a time machine back to the extremely unstable early 20'th century.

When the wars are over we'll see a new world order. Its anyones guess how that will look. But I think Europe has more fight in it than we're now given credit for. Its going to be a long and hard fight

 

[bilby]

The rule of law and respecting international treaties would go away. The world would decend into world war again. It'll be a time machine back to the extremely unstable early 20'th century.

When the wars are over we'll see a new world order. Its anyones guess how that will look.

Well, it will probably glow in the dark.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The rule of law and respecting international treaties would go away. The world would decend into world war again. It'll be a time machine back to the extremely unstable early 20'th century.

When the wars are over we'll see a new world order. Its anyones guess how that will look.

Well, it will probably glow in the dark.

World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones?

 

[Tigers!]

Only four? where is the rest of NATO? where are the ukrainian troops? They want to be in NATO? here is their chance.

Anyway, they are not sent there to defend Greenland from US, they are sent there to defend Greenland from ....... Russia/China That's what they say.

Basically, Orange said that he needs Greenland to better security of NATO and EU say OK we can better it ourselves, no need to take it over. Of course they know that Trump wants to have it just for bragging. So EU efforts are probably futile.

I wonder how many trumpers (the ones who go to his stupid "concerts") actually want Greenland. I mean he himself really wants Greenland in order to mumble about it on these stupid rallies.
It's actually amazing how your system is unable to stop this guy.

US doesn't 'falling from windows' or novichok yet.

 

[barbos]

So Trump says he needs Greenland in order to place Golden Dome there, and US needs Golden Dome there to defend from Russian (and Chinese) nukes. And nuke defense is needed in order to strike Russia first (long after Trump is dead)
I think Putin should call Europeans and tell them "If US nukes Russia using missile shield in Greenland we will nuke you, so you better keep Greenland to yourself"

 

[barbos]

And the great irony is, Danes did that to themselves when last year they released made up intelligence report claiming that Russia (and China) wants to take Greenland. Stupid russophobe dumbasses. The Orange now refers to that "report"

 

[Gospel]

US must be well informed about EU critters phone conversations among themselves. So EU will not go against US.
Some people in Deep State are behind all of this, not just the Orange.
But I wish Denmark does all of that.

One need not eaves drop on telephone conversations to understand treaties and the text of alliance agreements. If Trump attacks Greenland then Nato's Article 5 kicks in.

Of course I wouldn't expect YOU to understand the concept of a country being expected to uphold their signed written agreements.

I think Trump is testing whether or not NATO has any resolve. It's clear that Trump has no respect for the EU or NATO. And there's nothing the European navies have that can stop USA. Trump knows it and Denmark knows it. If there's a fight it'll be the kind of fight Putin hoped Russia would have in Ukraine, but didn't. The biggest price will be that USA will be a pariah state and joins the Axis of Evil countries. But Trump may not care about that.

If there's a land war on European soil the European countries will most likely win against USA. But in the arctic... nope. Not a chance.

The fact that this opinion is even being voiced is evidence of how profoundly Trump warped public discourse.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

US must be well informed about EU critters phone conversations among themselves. So EU will not go against US.
Some people in Deep State are behind all of this, not just the Orange.
But I wish Denmark does all of that.

One need not eaves drop on telephone conversations to understand treaties and the text of alliance agreements. If Trump attacks Greenland then Nato's Article 5 kicks in.

Of course I wouldn't expect YOU to understand the concept of a country being expected to uphold their signed written agreements.

I think Trump is testing whether or not NATO has any resolve. It's clear that Trump has no respect for the EU or NATO. And there's nothing the European navies have that can stop USA. Trump knows it and Denmark knows it. If there's a fight it'll be the kind of fight Putin hoped Russia would have in Ukraine, but didn't. The biggest price will be that USA will be a pariah state and joins the Axis of Evil countries. But Trump may not care about that.

If there's a land war on European soil the European countries will most likely win against USA. But in the arctic... nope. Not a chance.

The fact that this opinion is even being voiced is evidence of how profoundly Trump warped public discourse.

I think Sen. Marshall suggesting Trump was just "trolling" Denmark. As if that was okay.

*looks it up*

No... that remark was referring to the Powell subpoenas.

Jebus, I can't even keep the insanity organized in my mind anymore! It is like mass school shootings. Used to know every one of them. Now there are too many to know. Trump and Greenland is just one of several BSOD issues that are just becoming too difficult to keep separated in the mind.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

US must be well informed about EU critters phone conversations among themselves. So EU will not go against US.
Some people in Deep State are behind all of this, not just the Orange.
But I wish Denmark does all of that.

One need not eaves drop on telephone conversations to understand treaties and the text of alliance agreements. If Trump attacks Greenland then Nato's Article 5 kicks in.

Of course I wouldn't expect YOU to understand the concept of a country being expected to uphold their signed written agreements.

I think Trump is testing whether or not NATO has any resolve. It's clear that Trump has no respect for the EU or NATO. And there's nothing the European navies have that can stop USA. Trump knows it and Denmark knows it. If there's a fight it'll be the kind of fight Putin hoped Russia would have in Ukraine, but didn't. The biggest price will be that USA will be a pariah state and joins the Axis of Evil countries. But Trump may not care about that.

If there's a land war on European soil the European countries will most likely win against USA. But in the arctic... nope. Not a chance.

Land war in Europe? The US military isn't set up for a land war in Europe. It'd take a while to even mobilize the fight. And last time we did, the coastal areas were on the same side.

The US easily can take Greenland. But I imagine it'll be a scorched Earth maneuver. It'd be costly, deploying troops to occupy a small area isn't cheap, even if there is no violence. Losing health care will make the locals angry, something would happen. And in Congress, there would be a need to authorize spending for the occupation. That won't happen in the Senate. It'll be filibustered to the ground.

Trade relations will evaporate, Europe will turn to China. It'll isolate the US, which is exactly what Russia would love. Of course, if Europe turns to China, that isn't exactly in Russia's favor either, but unlike China, Russia doesn't have much of a forward focus. It is the only nation that looks to the future in the past.

Finally, just because the US military takes Greenland doesn't mean the US has Greenland. International law would get really weird if the part of the Government doesn't recognize the US owns Greenland.

I think it'll change things more radically than that. The rule of law and respecting international treaties would go away. The world would decend into world war again. It'll be a time machine back to the extremely unstable early 20'th century.

When the wars are over we'll see a new world order. Its anyones guess how that will look. But I think Europe has more fight in it than we're now given credit for. Its going to be a long and hard fight

I think it becomes so volatile, it'd actually be impossible to predict. Economic impacts would likely have unanticipated consequences, leading to strange bed fellows.

But it goes much more internal before we reach those points. The US military would have to invade Greenland first, as Greenland isn't trading health care for one time stipend. In order for the world order to collapse, the US's internal order needs to collapse. I'm uncertain about what the rule of law is and whether being ordered to aggressively occupy friendly territory being considered illegal. Does the military refuse to carry out the order? The US already has an agreement with Denmark to put bases ANYWHERE on the island, as long as it is done diplomatically. Do the higher ups say no, this isn't needed, this isn't legal. We could get exactly what we want without landing a single pair of feet on the island.

I have no idea how that goes down, if the military thinks twice at all or Trump ends up resigning because the GOP can't risk it anymore after he fires the entire Chiefs of Staff and Hegseth tries to run it all himself, of the myriad of possibilites.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Has there been any news reporting of anyone in the military refusing an order yet? I know in DoJ some lawyers have either quit or risked firing by refusing to investigate or indict but any news from DoD?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Has there been any news reporting of anyone in the military refusing an order yet? I know in DoJ some lawyers have either quit or risked firing by refusing to investigate or indict but any news from DoD?

Ignoring orders isn't particularly common. However, invading Greenland would also be particularly uncommon.

We are on uncharted waters right now. I have no idea how that would unfold. I'm not hopeful or unhopeful. I would presume the Chiefs of Staff, if anyone, would step in the way. If this has to trickle down to the soldier, we are probably done as a Representative Republic.