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[Underseer]

Chicago police clash with angry residents after deadly shooting

The shooting Saturday evening in the Grand Crossing neighborhood on the city's South Side sparked a clash between angry residents and baton-wielding officers.
"We're pissed off; we're tired," community activist William Calloway told CBS Chicago. "You're killing us!"
Four protesters were arrested and some police officers suffered minor injuries from thrown rocks and bottles, some of which were filled with urine. Two squad cars were also damaged.

Charming. But why So why were those people in Chicago protesting?

Footage from body cameras and surveillance cameras shows that a man who was shot and killed by a Chicago police officer was armed with what appears to be a handgun, a department spokesman said Sunday. [..]On Sunday, the man was identified by the Cook County Medical Examiner's office as 37-year-old Harith Augustus of Chicago and said an autopsy was scheduled for Sunday. Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said Augustus wasn't a known gang member and had no recent arrest history.
Police found a handgun and two magazines of bullets at the shooting site and sent them for testing, Guglielmi said.

So a gangbanger gets himself shot while holding a gun and protesters get angry at police who killed him? It is scum like Harith who are killing all those people in "Chiraq". They should be celebrating the police for taking the trash out!

First, fun that you automatically assume that all African-Americans are "gangbangers."

Thanks for confirming that "gangbangers" is just rightist code for a racial slur.

But yeah, isn't it unreasonable that African-Americans get angry about being murdered left and right by the police? How dare they beg for their lives?

This whole line of argument is fucking insane.

The founding fathers of America rebelled from the crown over treatment much less horrific than what African-Americans currently endure. Would you also have argued against what they did have you lived back then?

 

[Toni]

Wouldn't make much difference. The race agitators would pretend the shootings weren't justified anyway.

Race agitators??????? WTF, Loren?

The vast majority of people shot by the police are armed--and the "unarmed" category includes simulated weapons.

Simulated--like a cell phone?

Again, what makes the US so unique that in other countries, police officers manage not to kill unarmed suspects? Or get killed themselves?

Heck, they could also stop shooting suspects who are armed with weapons designed and capable of only harming the suspect and instead, do their job, protect the public by getting a skilled negotiator/psychologist to help the suicidal person (sorry: in my area, a teenager who was a well regarded, extremely good student and athlete was killed by police when his parents called out of concern for their son's safety when he barricaded himself in the garage with: a baseball bat and perhaps a knife. He was alone in the garage and not capable of using either to harm anyone other than himself. But another kid in crisis who is killed by police...You might want to be upset by this. The kid was white.)

A bit of reality would help here.

It would be good. Please try it, Loren, instead of whatever alt-right fantasies are floating around your mind.

And thanks for calling me a liar.

1) About the only weapon that isn't a threat to others is an ingested poison. I've never heard of the cops shooting someone for having a bottle of poison.

2) If the cops have time to talk them down they take that approach. Most suicide by cop cases go down way too fast for that--the person goes after either the cops or bystanders.

What do you mean: if the cops have the time? I can think of two cases in relatively recent times in my small mostly rural county where an individual who was experiencing great emotional distress was killed by police after the individual's family called police expressing concern FOR their loved one, not FEAR of their loved one. The family was asking for HELP FOR THEIR LOVED ONE. In one case, both the individual who was killed by police and the officer who shot him was known to my family. The person who was killed was many yards from any other individual, on a small foot bridge. The officer saw a flash of metal and shot and killed him. He was holding a small pocket knife. Not even Davey Crockett on the TV show could have harmed anyone other than himself with that small pocket knife. There was no imminent threat. This poor young man who was experiencing a serious mental health crisis is dead because someone saw a flash of sunlight on a pocket knife and panicked even though family had stressed they were afraid he would hurt himself and not that he was threatening other people.

There was plenty of time for anyone who wasn't panicked. Except the dead kid.

3) Your scenario makes no sense. If he was not in a position to use either on anyone else then he also wasn't in a position a cop could shoot him. Furthermore, letting him stay there unobserved during a talkdown is most likely unacceptable. Thinking of my own garage--in one corner you'll find tools, including the wrench you would need to undo the gas line in another corner. Besides, the line is flex (I have never seen a gas water heater connected by anything but flex), given time you could break it without tools.

What makes no sense is your absolute faith that the police had no choice but to shoot a kid who was of no threat to anyone except himself.

Oh, my god Loren. There was all the time in the world except for the kid who is now dead. He had a baseball bat and some knives. And in my part of the country, no one has gas lines going through their garage. WTF, Loren. There was a teenage boy in crisis--an excellent student, an excellent athlete. His parents were worried and now he's dead.

Police could do what they are supposed to and only use firearms if it is necessary to preserve the lives of the public or of themselves. Which is more rare than the number of shootings we see in the US would suggest. Any thinking person would have to ask why that is. Other countries have mentally ill people. Other countries have people in crisis, people who are perhaps suicidal or perhaps just having a terrible, terrible day. Other countries have drug problems, black people, brown people, immigrants, criminals, etc. But someone, the US stands out when it comes to things like police shootings and mass shootings.

I wonder what makes the US so special?

A thinking person would look for the facts rather than BLM garbage.

What would you know about what a thinking person would do?

 

[laughing dog]

Wouldn't make much difference. The race agitators would pretend the shootings weren't justified anyway.

What on earth are you babbling about here?

2) If the cops have time to talk them down they take that approach.

We know that is not true. Toni's example proves you wrong.

A thinking person would look for the facts rather than BLM garbage.

In one post, you feel the need to rant about "race agitators" and introduce "BLM". Now, why would any disinterested thinking person feel that need?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Race agitators??????? WTF, Loren?

Are you denying they exist?

Simulated--like a cell phone?

Simulated covers things like airsoft etc.

Again, what makes the US so unique that in other countries, police officers manage not to kill unarmed suspects? Or get killed themselves?

We don't kill very many, either, despite what BLM would have you believe.

A bit of reality would help here.

It would be good. Please try it, Loren, instead of whatever alt-right fantasies are floating around your mind.

And thanks for calling me a liar.

I wasn't calling you a liar, I was saying you don't understand how these things go down.

What do you mean: if the cops have the time? I can think of two cases in relatively recent times in my small mostly rural county where an individual who was experiencing great emotional distress was killed by police after the individual's family called police expressing concern FOR their loved one, not FEAR of their loved one. The family was asking for HELP FOR THEIR LOVED ONE. In one case, both the individual who was killed by police and the officer who shot him was known to my family. The person who was killed was many yards from any other individual, on a small foot bridge. The officer saw a flash of metal and shot and killed him. He was holding a small pocket knife. Not even Davey Crockett on the TV show could have harmed anyone other than himself with that small pocket knife. There was no imminent threat. This poor young man who was experiencing a serious mental health crisis is dead because someone saw a flash of sunlight on a pocket knife and panicked even though family had stressed they were afraid he would hurt himself and not that he was threatening other people.

As I said, you don't understand the situation.

A small pocket knife is quite capable of killing. And how far is "many" yards? The normal standard for how far away a knife is a threat is 21 feet, aka 7 yards. Any closer than that, if the knife wielder charges someone with their gun still holstered they'll probably win.

And just because the family was afraid the person would harm themselves doesn't mean they don't pose a threat to others. Pocketknife or cop's gun, which is more deadly? They may choose to attack the cop with the intent of getting the cop to kill them.

3) Your scenario makes no sense. If he was not in a position to use either on anyone else then he also wasn't in a position a cop could shoot him. Furthermore, letting him stay there unobserved during a talkdown is most likely unacceptable. Thinking of my own garage--in one corner you'll find tools, including the wrench you would need to undo the gas line in another corner. Besides, the line is flex (I have never seen a gas water heater connected by anything but flex), given time you could break it without tools.

What makes no sense is your absolute faith that the police had no choice but to shoot a kid who was of no threat to anyone except himself.

You've already shown you don't understand what is a threat.

Oh, my god Loren. There was all the time in the world except for the kid who is now dead. He had a baseball bat and some knives. And in my part of the country, no one has gas lines going through their garage. WTF, Loren. There was a teenage boy in crisis--an excellent student, an excellent athlete. His parents were worried and now he's dead.

No gas water heaters? While there are areas lacking gas service I'm not aware of any part of the country that doesn't use gas water heaters.

And the water heater was simply the easiest way I thought of to do something hazardous to others. Thinking of my own garage I believe there are a couple of gallons of highly flammable liquids (not to mention the gasoline in the car's tank--and there are tools out there that could punch through the tank) out there but since I moved my torch lighter to the chest where the propane is stored there's no longer anything out there (except the water heater pilot light) to light them with.

 

[Mumbles]

Again...

The problem with this "race agitators" foolishness is, like every other beating and murder, and for that matter every idiot calling police on black people for just walking around/BBQing/swimming/listening to music/etc, is that these things don't depend on Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter (which was formed in response to America's collective shrug at George Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin), or anything else. People see an idiot, or a crappy police force, doing something they very clearly shouldn't, they record things, angry family members and neighbors come out saying "What the hell is this", and in the case of police shootings, quite often police show up in riot gear and immediately attack the entire crowd.

And then, everything explodes.

And a central issue, in many of these places, is that the police already have long-standing, severe problems and have completely failed to establish any good relations with the community, and all this boils over.

If anything, you should be glad when the "race agitators" show up, they know how to channel things into marches, protests, and the like, and to keep young hotheads from burning the entire place to the ground or outright shooting at cops. That's why Baltimore and Ferguson had to attack these leaders, or isolate high school kids from them for no good reason, before the crowd turned violent. The leaders can only hold people back for so long, and if cops just flood the neighborhood attacking anyone they see, if they arrest or beat the older leaders, or if they isolate the teens and then attack them en masse, things will turn into a riot.

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Again...

The problem with this "race agitators" foolishness is, like every other beating and murder, and for that matter every idiot calling police on black people for just walking around/BBQing/swimming/listening to music/etc, is that these things don't depend on Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter (which was formed in response to America's collective shrug at George Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin), or anything else. People see an idiot, or a crappy police force, doing something they very clearly shouldn't, they record things, angry family members and neighbors come out saying "What the hell is this", and in the case of police shootings, quite often police show up in riot gear and immediately attack the entire crowd.

And then, everything explodes.

And a central issue, in many of these places, is that the police already have long-standing, severe problems and have completely failed to establish any good relations with the community, and all this boils over.

If anything, you should be glad when the "race agitators" show up, they know how to channel things into marches, protests, and the like, and to keep young hotheads from burning the entire place to the ground or outright shooting at cops. That's why Baltimore and Ferguson had to attack these leaders, or isolate high school kids from them for no good reason, before the crowd turned violent. The leaders can only hold people back for so long, and if cops just flood the neighborhood attacking anyone they see, if they arrest or beat the older leaders, or if they isolate the teens and then attack them en masse, things will turn into a riot.

 

[bilby]

Are you denying they exist?



Simulated covers things like airsoft etc.

Again, what makes the US so unique that in other countries, police officers manage not to kill unarmed suspects? Or get killed themselves?

We don't kill very many, either, despite what BLM would have you believe.

A bit of reality would help here.

It would be good. Please try it, Loren, instead of whatever alt-right fantasies are floating around your mind.

And thanks for calling me a liar.

I wasn't calling you a liar, I was saying you don't understand how these things go down.

What do you mean: if the cops have the time? I can think of two cases in relatively recent times in my small mostly rural county where an individual who was experiencing great emotional distress was killed by police after the individual's family called police expressing concern FOR their loved one, not FEAR of their loved one. The family was asking for HELP FOR THEIR LOVED ONE. In one case, both the individual who was killed by police and the officer who shot him was known to my family. The person who was killed was many yards from any other individual, on a small foot bridge. The officer saw a flash of metal and shot and killed him. He was holding a small pocket knife. Not even Davey Crockett on the TV show could have harmed anyone other than himself with that small pocket knife. There was no imminent threat. This poor young man who was experiencing a serious mental health crisis is dead because someone saw a flash of sunlight on a pocket knife and panicked even though family had stressed they were afraid he would hurt himself and not that he was threatening other people.

As I said, you don't understand the situation.

A small pocket knife is quite capable of killing. And how far is "many" yards? The normal standard for how far away a knife is a threat is 21 feet, aka 7 yards. Any closer than that, if the knife wielder charges someone with their gun still holstered they'll probably win.

And just because the family was afraid the person would harm themselves doesn't mean they don't pose a threat to others. Pocketknife or cop's gun, which is more deadly? They may choose to attack the cop with the intent of getting the cop to kill them.

3) Your scenario makes no sense. If he was not in a position to use either on anyone else then he also wasn't in a position a cop could shoot him. Furthermore, letting him stay there unobserved during a talkdown is most likely unacceptable. Thinking of my own garage--in one corner you'll find tools, including the wrench you would need to undo the gas line in another corner. Besides, the line is flex (I have never seen a gas water heater connected by anything but flex), given time you could break it without tools.

What makes no sense is your absolute faith that the police had no choice but to shoot a kid who was of no threat to anyone except himself.

You've already shown you don't understand what is a threat.

Oh, my god Loren. There was all the time in the world except for the kid who is now dead. He had a baseball bat and some knives. And in my part of the country, no one has gas lines going through their garage. WTF, Loren. There was a teenage boy in crisis--an excellent student, an excellent athlete. His parents were worried and now he's dead.

No gas water heaters? While there are areas lacking gas service I'm not aware of any part of the country that doesn't use gas water heaters.

And the water heater was simply the easiest way I thought of to do something hazardous to others. Thinking of my own garage I believe there are a couple of gallons of highly flammable liquids (not to mention the gasoline in the car's tank--and there are tools out there that could punch through the tank) out there but since I moved my torch lighter to the chest where the propane is stored there's no longer anything out there (except the water heater pilot light) to light them with.

Your ability to conjure up in your imagination a scenario in which the A Team, with some assistance from MacGuyver, could turn your ordinary domestic garage and its contents into an armoury capable of defeating a SWAT team, does not in any way constitute a useful addition to a discussion of real events happening outside your TV and SciFi fuelled fantasies.

 

[Toni]

Are you denying they exist?



Simulated covers things like airsoft etc.

No airsoft was in play in the scenarios I described. Not at all. You're simply inventing scenarios to justify police shooting unarmed people who are distraught and are dangers to themselves.

Again, what makes the US so unique that in other countries, police officers manage not to kill unarmed suspects? Or get killed themselves?

We don't kill very many, either, despite what BLM would have you believe.

You are the only person talking about BLM, Loren. And I don't know who you think 'we' is. Are you a police officer? And Loren, I've seen and posted statistics about police shootings.

I wasn't calling you a liar, I was saying you don't understand how these things go down.

What 'things' are these, Loren? Tell me about your years working as any kind of police officer. Tell me about your experience in the military. Or as a mental health professional.

I understand that you do not ever see a police use of deadly force that you will not justify. That's the situation, Loren.

What do you mean: if the cops have the time? I can think of two cases in relatively recent times in my small mostly rural county where an individual who was experiencing great emotional distress was killed by police after the individual's family called police expressing concern FOR their loved one, not FEAR of their loved one. The family was asking for HELP FOR THEIR LOVED ONE. In one case, both the individual who was killed by police and the officer who shot him was known to my family. The person who was killed was many yards from any other individual, on a small foot bridge. The officer saw a flash of metal and shot and killed him. He was holding a small pocket knife. Not even Davey Crockett on the TV show could have harmed anyone other than himself with that small pocket knife. There was no imminent threat. This poor young man who was experiencing a serious mental health crisis is dead because someone saw a flash of sunlight on a pocket knife and panicked even though family had stressed they were afraid he would hurt himself and not that he was threatening other people.

As I said, you don't understand the situation.

Why do you think you do understand the situation?

The situation I see is an old white man who is afraid of everyone and anything and believes that the best solution to anyone being a bit disturbed by another person is for the police to shoot the person who is upsetting someone. I understand the situation completely.

A small pocket knife is quite capable of killing. And how far is "many" yards? The normal standard for how far away a knife is a threat is 21 feet, aka 7 yards. Any closer than that, if the knife wielder charges someone with their gun still holstered they'll probably win.

And just because the family was afraid the person would harm themselves doesn't mean they don't pose a threat to others. Pocketknife or cop's gun, which is more deadly? They may choose to attack the cop with the intent of getting the cop to kill them.

And yet, that is not what happened or could possibly have happened in either of the cases I described. The cops and the kids were located yards apart. Plenty of time to kill someone who is charging you. No need to simply do it while they are in the middle of a foot bridge or their family's garage, all alone.

It would have been an astounding throw if the kid on the bridge could have hit anyone at all. It simply isn't plausible. This is not a circus knife thrower nor its it Davey Crockett's or even Davie Bowie's reincarnation. It was a kid who was distraught, not anyone who ever threatened anyone or had any history of threatening anyone, ever. Which the police knew. The kid on the bridge? He went to school with the cop who shot him. This is not a big place, Loren. People know each other.

What makes no sense is your absolute faith that the police had no choice but to shoot a kid who was of no threat to anyone except himself.

You've already shown you don't understand what is a threat.

So police shoot kids who are of no threat to anyone but themselves because you think I don't understand what a threat is?

You've already shown that you have no idea what a threat is but apparently, you are threatened by anyone with more melanin in their skin than your average person of Chinese decent, or people with cell phones or children playing in a park or anyone after dark or people in their own homes or pretty much anyone at all. I wonder that you ever leave your home. Do you ever leave your home?

No gas water heaters? While there are areas lacking gas service I'm not aware of any part of the country that doesn't use gas water heaters.

And the water heater was simply the easiest way I thought of to do something hazardous to others. Thinking of my own garage I believe there are a couple of gallons of highly flammable liquids (not to mention the gasoline in the car's tank--and there are tools out there that could punch through the tank) out there but since I moved my torch lighter to the chest where the propane is stored there's no longer anything out there (except the water heater pilot light) to light them with.

No, Loren, my gas furnace, water heater and gas range do not go through my garage, which is detached from my home. The gas line runs directly into my home, into the basement. This is normal where I live. I do not know anybody at all who has a gas water heater or an electric one, for that matter, which is located in the garage, even a heated garage attached garage. There is generally a mechanicals room or section of a basement or inside the home in those rare occasions where there is no basement.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Rioting every time a black suspect is shot by police is an important topic.

Is it a racist post every time someone uses negative hyperbole about blacks or are there exceptions?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Again...

The problem with this "race agitators" foolishness is, like every other beating and murder, and for that matter every idiot calling police on black people for just walking around/BBQing/swimming/listening to music/etc, is that these things don't depend on Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter (which was formed in response to America's collective shrug at George Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin), or anything else.

You realize there are plenty of idiots who call the police on white people walking around, also? It's just those don't get reported as racial incidents. The problem is people pretending that everything is racial when it rarely is.

People see an idiot, or a crappy police force, doing something they very clearly shouldn't, they record things, angry family members and neighbors come out saying "What the hell is this", and in the case of police shootings, quite often police show up in riot gear and immediately attack the entire crowd.

People see what the agitators tell them to see. If the black guy wasn't blazing away at the cops they call it unjustified no matter what the situation.

If anything, you should be glad when the "race agitators" show up, they know how to channel things into marches, protests, and the like, and to keep young hotheads from burning the entire place to the ground or outright shooting at cops. That's why Baltimore and Ferguson had to attack these leaders, or isolate high school kids from them for no good reason, before the crowd turned violent. The leaders can only hold people back for so long, and if cops just flood the neighborhood attacking anyone they see, if they arrest or beat the older leaders, or if they isolate the teens and then attack them en masse, things will turn into a riot.

Ferguson at least I don't think the crowds did turn violent. The locals said it was outsiders who were committing the violence and I think they were probably right about this. There are those who seize on protests as cover to commit violence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And yet, that is not what happened or could possibly have happened in either of the cases I described. The cops and the kids were located yards apart. Plenty of time to kill someone who is charging you. No need to simply do it while they are in the middle of a foot bridge or their family's garage, all alone.

You haven't answered the question about how many yards. The standard safety limit is 7 yards.

And with the garage you still haven't said how someone who was all alone could be shot by the cops in the first place.

It would have been an astounding throw if the kid on the bridge could have hit anyone at all. It simply isn't plausible. This is not a circus knife thrower nor its it Davey Crockett's or even Davie Bowie's reincarnation. It was a kid who was distraught, not anyone who ever threatened anyone or had any history of threatening anyone, ever. Which the police knew. The kid on the bridge? He went to school with the cop who shot him. This is not a big place, Loren. People know each other.

I didn't say he would throw it. Any closer than 21 feet/7 yards and the knife at hand wins against drawing the gun. (Assuming typical human responses on both sides.)

So police shoot kids who are of no threat to anyone but themselves because you think I don't understand what a threat is?

You've already shown that you have no idea what a threat is but apparently, you are threatened by anyone with more melanin in their skin than your average person of Chinese decent, or people with cell phones or children playing in a park or anyone after dark or people in their own homes or pretty much anyone at all. I wonder that you ever leave your home. Do you ever leave your home?

No, you have shown you don't see the threat in situations where threat exists.

No, Loren, my gas furnace, water heater and gas range do not go through my garage, which is detached from my home. The gas line runs directly into my home, into the basement. This is normal where I live. I do not know anybody at all who has a gas water heater or an electric one, for that matter, which is located in the garage, even a heated garage attached garage. There is generally a mechanicals room or section of a basement or inside the home in those rare occasions where there is no basement.

I've never seen it done that way--I have never seen a gas water heater inside the living space and given some of the ways I've seen them installed I suspect that's code here.

 

[laughing dog]

You realize there are plenty of idiots who call the police on white people walking around, also? It's just those don't get reported as racial incidents.

Why would anyone suspect they were racial incidents?

The problem is people pretending that everything is racial when it rarely is.

Or the problem is apologia for bigoted and/or racist behavior.

 

[Toni]

You haven't answered the question about how many yards. The standard safety limit is 7 yards.

I don't know how many yards. I haven't gone out and walked it myself. The police officer shot him with a rifle, so it was rifle distance. Are you trying to tell me that in knife VS rifle, there is a contest at all?

And do you have a source for the 7 yards/21 feet or is that something you are simply making up?

And with the garage you still haven't said how someone who was all alone could be shot by the cops in the first place

.

Kid in crisis was alone in the garage. Police were standing outside of the garage when they killed him. Garage door was open.

I didn't say he would throw it. Any closer than 21 feet/7 yards and the knife at hand wins against drawing the gun. (Assuming typical human responses on both sides.)

So, he'd do what? beat someone to death with the knife?????

The police officer who shot the kid didn't know it was a knife. He didn't know at all what it was. He saw a glint of sunlight and reacted to a suicidal kid that concerned family members had called police in an effort to get the kid some help. And had told the police that he had no firearms. As did his friend on the scene of the shooting.

So police shoot kids who are of no threat to anyone but themselves because you think I don't understand what a threat is?

You've already shown that you have no idea what a threat is but apparently, you are threatened by anyone with more melanin in their skin than your average person of Chinese decent, or people with cell phones or children playing in a park or anyone after dark or people in their own homes or pretty much anyone at all. I wonder that you ever leave your home. Do you ever leave your home?

No, you have shown you don't see the threat in situations where threat exists.

The threats that I've described are the threats the suicidal kid makes to harm himself. The police prevented that by shooting the kid who was of no danger to anyone other than himself.

You've shown yourself to be someone who sees threats everywhere. Does it matter that in both cases I talked about the kid who was killed was white? From decent families?

No, Loren, my gas furnace, water heater and gas range do not go through my garage, which is detached from my home. The gas line runs directly into my home, into the basement. This is normal where I live. I do not know anybody at all who has a gas water heater or an electric one, for that matter, which is located in the garage, even a heated garage attached garage. There is generally a mechanicals room or section of a basement or inside the home in those rare occasions where there is no basement.

I've never seen it done that way--I have never seen a gas water heater inside the living space and given some of the ways I've seen them installed I suspect that's code here.

In my area, putting a gas line or water line in a garage would be foolish. No one with any sense puts a water line on an exterior wall without plenty of insulation. Burst water pipes cause a lot of damage.

Yes, Loren, different areas have different building codes and standards according to the terrain, soil conditions, weather, population density, etc.

Yes, Loren, different people have different experiences and live in different situations. Exactly.

 

[RavenSky]

It shows Harith (is that like Harris with a lisp?)

This is an example of why you are not taken seriously (and that's putting it politely)

 

[ZiprHead]

I didn't say he would throw it. Any closer than 21 feet/7 yards and the knife at hand wins against drawing the gun. (Assuming typical human responses on both sides.)

What a load of shit.

http://www.hendonpub.com/tactical_response/articles/2014/0910/modern_day_quick_draw

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2002/02/officer-survival.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZseuKHgMdI

 

[Derec]

It shows Harith (is that like Harris with a lisp?)

This is an example of why you are not taken seriously (and that's putting it politely)

Never heard of that name. And replacing an "s" sound with "th" is a characteristic of frontal lisp. I mean, say "Harith" out loud for fuck's sake!

Getting offended by lighthearted things like this is why I don't take you seriously! It's like getting your panties in a bunch just because I refer to these #BLM Real Men of Heroism by their first name instead of "Mr. <last name>".

 

[Toni]

It shows Harith (is that like Harris with a lisp?)

This is an example of why you are not taken seriously (and that's putting it politely)

Never heard of that name. And replacing an "s" sound with "th" is a characteristic of frontal lisp. I mean, say "Harith" out loud for fuck's sake!

Getting offended by lighthearted things like this is why I don't take you seriously! It's like getting your panties in a bunch just because I refer to these #BLM Real Men of Heroism by their first name instead of "Mr. <last name>".

Imagine finding it offensive and racist when someone continuously belittles members of a different race by calling adults by their first name with no honorific, or ridiculing their name!

If you wish to be taken seriously, try not using such obviously racist and demeaning language and instead try relying on the strength of your argument. Otherwise you just come across as a dumb racist.

 

[laughing dog]

It shows Harith (is that like Harris with a lisp?)

A simple internet search of "Harith" yields  Harith

Harith is a Sanskrit word, meaning Green color and refers to one of the Surya's seven horses.[1][2]

Banu Harith (Arabic: بنو الحارث‎ Banu Āl Ḥarith or Arabic: بنو الحريث‎ Banu Āl Ḥorayth; Hebrew: בני חוּרית‬ Bnei Chorath) is one of the Jewish[3][4][5][6][7] tribes of Arabia.

Harith or Haris is a common Arabic name (Arabic: حارس و حارث‎), Harith meaning "the lion which digs the earth" and Haris meaning "guardian or guard", and may refer to:

Harith al-Dhari (born 1941), Sunni Arab cleric, and chairman of the Association of Muslim Scholars
Harith Gassani, contemporary of Muhammad, and Governor of Syria
Harith Ibn Hilliza Ul-Yashkuri, 5th century pre-Islamic Arabian poet
Harith ibn Harb, brother of the man who would be Muhammad's arch enemy, Abu Sufyan ibn Harb
Harith ibn Rab'i, one of the companions of Muhammad
Harith ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib, one of the uncles of Muhammad, and a Sahaba
Al Harith another name for Azazil in Islamic lore.
Harith, older name of Haris, Salfit

, and would have saved you an embarrassing question.

 

[barbos]

Video was not released yet. Police shot the guy because he ran away while armed. Well, they thought he was armed. I wonder what is the success rate trying to outrun the police when they are shooting at you?

It has been released for a while. You are conflating things though. He was stopped initially because they thought he was armed but later they not only confirmed that he was armed, but when he started running, he pulled the gun from the holster. That's what led to the shooting.

Looks like police did not lie this time. I am not sure he tried to pull his gun before they shot him, could be after getting shot, but that's not relevant.

 

[Toni]

Video was not released yet. Police shot the guy because he ran away while armed. Well, they thought he was armed. I wonder what is the success rate trying to outrun the police when they are shooting at you?

It has been released for a while. You are conflating things though. He was stopped initially because they thought he was armed but later they not only confirmed that he was armed, but when he started running, he pulled the gun from the holster. That's what led to the shooting.

Looks like police did not lie this time. I am not sure he tried to pull his gun before they shot him, could be after getting shot, but that's not relevant.

I can’t tell: are you being ironic?

 

[barbos]

Looks like police did not lie this time. I am not sure he tried to pull his gun before they shot him, could be after getting shot, but that's not relevant.

I can’t tell: are you being ironic?

No, but you are it seems.
What did police lie about?