How can Derek Chauvin expect a fair trial in Minneapolis?

[TSwizzle]

Is there precedent for what Chauvin did and was there a guilty verdict? That’s your hurdle.

The closest I can think of would be the Rodney King case in Los Angeles.

 

[laughing dog]

Considering this case is known throughout the fucking world, what exactly is a change of venue going to accomplish? You could house this trial in the middle of the fucking Amazon and indigenous people would have heard of it.

A change of venue to out state MN would mean the jury pool would consist of more conservative people. In fact, outstate Mn went for Trump in the last election.

 

[untermensche]

Your lungs don't fill with fluid when you have fentanyl and meth in your system. They counteract one another.

Pulmonary edema is very common with fentanyl overdoses.

Please cite a source that says that mixing fentanyl with meth is protective of pulmonary edemas.

Pulmonary edema is a reason the man was struggling to breath.

The reason he died is because he was not allowed to take a deep breath by an insane murderous sociopath.

The treatment for pulmonary edema is to sit the person up at least 30 degrees.

At the first sign of pulmonary edema the patient shouldtake a semi-sitting position.

http://mymedinform.com/pulmonology/first-aid-for-pulmonary-edema.html

 

[ZiprHead]

Just found out there was a dispatcher watching the whole thing. She called her duty sergeant because she thought something wasn't right about what was going on.

 

[Melange_Thief]

From https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/26/wrong-ruling-could-let-suspect-george-floyds-killing-go-free/:

When Cahill barred the evidence in August, Floyd’s car and a police squad car had been searched, with no contraband discovered. In December, Eric Nelson, Chauvin’s lead counsel, requested that the vehicles be searched again. That time, Floyd’s car was found to contain meth and fentanyl. Nelson then examined the squad car and found drugs — with Floyd’s DNA — in that vehicle as well. There has been no explanation of how police missed the drugs when the cars were searched earlier.

A fair trial would acknowledge that this is an extremely suspicious thing to happen and wouldn't allow the defense to bring up an unrelated case because of it. So therefore, we can conclude there will be no fair trial here.

Somehow I don't think we'll see Derec or Trausti complaining about that kind of unfairness, though.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It really is a shame that Chauvin isn't afforded the courtesy of having an attorney present for the entire trial and that he won't have a jury in part designed by said attorney, and instead must appeal to a trial by combat, with Glass Joe as his fighter.

Show

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is what happens when you abuse your authority and kill people in broad daylight.

Easy to avoid.

Let the man begging to breathe breathe.

His difficulties breathing stemmed from the fentanyl and meth he swallowed. His lungs filled with liquid because of those drugs. His airway wasn't blocked - he would not be able to speak if it was.

Note that George Floyd swallowed drugs during a past arrest too, but he got away with it that time.

Keeping repeating this doesn't make it so.

Besides the fact that if opiods are going to take you down they do it fast there's the little issue that they depress respiration, they don't keep you from inhaling. Thus someone who has ODed isn't going to be saying "I can't breathe". That is from obstruction, not drugs.

 

[Elixir]

Keeping repeating this doesn't make it so.

Yabut yore arguing with the self-appointed remote 4ensic McZamminizer.
If he sez pulmonary edema, you just have to live with it.

 

[Patooka]

Keeping repeating this doesn't make it so.

Yabut yore arguing with the self-appointed remote 4ensic McZamminizer.
If he sez pulmonary edema, you just have to live with it.

So basically you're saying the premise of the OP is, "How can Derek Chauvin get a fair trial where the jury absolutely agrees with everything I think?"

No flaw in that reasoning, no siree.

 

[Derec]

So basically you're saying the premise of the OP is, "How can Derek Chauvin get a fair trial where the jury absolutely agrees with everything I think?"

No flaw in that reasoning, no siree.

Except that I did not say anything like that. But nice try at misrepresentation.

 

[Derec]

Keeping repeating this doesn't make it so.

Besides the fact that if opiods are going to take you down they do it fast there's the little issue that they depress respiration, they don't keep you from inhaling. Thus someone who has ODed isn't going to be saying "I can't breathe". That is from obstruction, not drugs.

If his airway was obstructed he would not be able to push air past the vocal cords. Inability to breathe while being able to speak indicates that ventilation works but gas exchange does not, or not efficiently. As would happen if alveoli were filled with liquid. Which they were. He had so much liquid in his lungs, the lungs were twice their normal weight.

 

[Derec]

Pulmonary edema is a reason the man was struggling to breath.

Why are you (and others) so eager to drop the final "e" off "breathe"?

The reason he died is because he was not allowed to take a deep breath by an insane murderous sociopath.

You are assuming Chauvin knew that Floyd is in grave danger of dying and not just malingering in order to avoid going to jail.

I do not see any evidence of that.

 

[Derec]

A change of venue to out state MN would mean the jury pool would consist of more conservative people.

And why would that make it invalid?

The trial is being held in the city where the site of George Floyd's death is being occupied by armed insurgents. The jurors are well aware what these extremists will do should Chauvin be acquitted. That means that there is no fair trial possible in Minneapolis.

 

[Derec]

Is there some information the good people of Minneapolis possess the rest of the nation does not?

They know that the city will experience new riots from the people occupying "George Floyd Autonomous Zone" if they dare acquit Chauvin. No matter whether or not they think prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That makes it an show trial.

No. Emotions may be running higher.

That too.

Jurors are not to let emotions influence their decision.

And yet they have emotions and it is thus irresponsible to hold the trial in a cauldron that is running as hot with emotion as Minneapolis.

I see no reason not to hold the trial there.

A defendant (even a white cop!) deserves a fair trial, which is impossible for him to get in Minneapolis.

Is there precedent for what Chauvin did and was there a guilty verdict? That’s your hurdle.

Closest probably being Eric Garner - a restraint technique that is not normally deadly but led to death because Garner was a very ill man. The cop in that case wasn't even indicted.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So Floyd was making all sorts of ruckus and resistance that required him to be restrained via multiple cops, but magically falls into a drug induced death spiral the moment a knee is put to his neck.

Got it.

 

[Derec]

So Floyd was making all sorts of ruckus and resistance that required him to be restrained via multiple cops, but magically falls into a drug induced death spiral the moment a knee is put to his neck.

Got it.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy.

 

[laughing dog]

A change of venue to out state MN would mean the jury pool would consist of more conservative people.

And why would that make it invalid?

You clipped the rest of the quote. It would not make the trail invalid. Put the jury pool of Trumpers (law and order types, white supremancists and bigots, among others) would make the jury more sympathetic to the defendant.

The trial is being held in the city where the site of George Floyd's death is being occupied by armed insurgents....

Please get a grip on reality. Neither Minneapolis nor St. Paul is occupied by anyone other than their residents. So the rest of your argument is based on a delusion.

 

[Elixir]

Please get a grip on reality. Neither Minneapolis nor St. Paul is occupied by anyone other than their residents. So the rest of your argument is based on a delusion.

Don't get so bent out of shape LD.
Derec is just upset because... you know ... namesake?

 

[Toni]

Pulmonary edema is a reason the man was struggling to breath.

Why are you (and others) so eager to drop the final "e" off "breathe"?

The reason he died is because he was not allowed to take a deep breath by an insane murderous sociopath.

You are assuming Chauvin knew that Floyd is in grave danger of dying and not just malingering in order to avoid going to jail.

I do not see any evidence of that.

Here's the thing:

Chauvin had nothing to lose if he allowed Floyd to sit or at least lay on his side, as a fellow officer urged he do. Floyd was handcuffed. There were 4 officers immediately present to subdue him if he tried to run.

Secondly: it really doesn't matter if Floyd had sufficient drugs on board to kill him. That isn't what killed him.

If you had terminal lung cancer, and used an oxygen tank to assist with your breathing, and someone shot you dead, that someone would be guilty of murder.

If that someone had merely collapsed the tubing from the O2 tank to the canula, preventing you from receiving sufficient oxygen and you died, they would still be guilty of murder, even if the lack of O2 caused a heart attack. Or caused increased pulmonary edema that caused your death.

Floyd might have died that day without Chauvin's knee on his neck for over 9 minutes. But he did die that day because of Chauvin's knee on his neck.

 

[untermensche]

The reason he died is because he was not allowed to take a deep breath by an insane murderous sociopath.

You are assuming Chauvin knew that Floyd is in grave danger of dying and not just malingering in order to avoid going to jail.

I do not see any evidence of that.

He was saying he couldn't breathE.

He was being held in a position, while handcuffed, that did not allow him to expand his chest.

Murder.