How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

I asked you to show evidence, not repeat bullshit.

I provided the evidence.
I provided evidence million times. NATO is forcing countries to attack Russia. Georgians said as much.
And it does not even matter. Ukrainians can all 100% vote to join NATO it would not matter a one bit.
NATO is an aggressive terrorist organization and Russia can not allow it to operate in Ukraine, period.
It's existential problem for Russia, and if murdering ukrainians is the solution to this problem so be it.

When has NATO ever taken territory anywhere? People who are scared of you have joined it for safety, that's all.

When they said that Ukraine will be in NATO without even asking Ukraine.

And you're "right" that Ukraine in NATO is an existential problem for Russia--because you made it so.

You made it so by expanding and occupying countries around Russia,

You lose in Ukraine, other provinces will realize they can leave without being destroyed.

We have absolutely no reason to attack you.

And yet you do. And yes, you have plenty of reason to attack us. And that reason is China.
You attacked us hoping to regime change Russia into a puppet like current Ukraine.

The Ukraine war has made that abundantly clear--you simply do not have the firepower to challenge us.

No so. Despite what your nazi propaganda says, This war has shown that you can not challenge us.

So far you are pretty much at a standstill while facing a small fraction of our short range firepower.

Nope. Russia is using tiny fraction of our capabilities against whole NATO and winning.

 

[DrZoidberg]

And finally... the west side in the Ukraine conflict also makes up lies in order to justify our actions. Ukraine is a dysfunctional shit show of a nation dominated by gangsters and corrupt as hell. The leader of such a nation, Zelenskyy... obviously has a closet full of skelletons. But he's somehow always shown wearing a gloria.

I now have quite a lot of friends who have been in Ukraine as volonteers or soldiers. They all tell the same stories of absurd corruption and dysfunctionality on the Ukrainian side. We're also deluded about what kind of war this is. We've gilded the Ukrainian turd way more than what it deserves. Backing Ukraine is a huge gamble. There's no guarantee that a winning Zelenskyy won't turn Ukraine into a new Russia Putinstan.

I have heard multiple Ukrainian who said that Ukraine used to be a corrupt mess but they cleaned themselves up after the 2014 invasion.

Sure. But its still bad. Its important to acknowledge that the source of the corrupt culture is Russia. So getting Ukraine away from Russian power will improve matters.

But they have found natural gas in Ukraine. When that starts being extracted Ukraine might turn into yet another country where power stems from controlling that single resource = corruption

There's no guarantee a free Ukraine won't turn to shit again

 

[barbos]

Sure. But its still bad.

No still, it's exactly the same. And right now, current regime is stealing like there is no tomorrow.

Its important to acknowledge that the source of the corrupt culture is Russia

Well, considering that Ukraine IS Russia.
Having said that, ukrainians historically were more corrupt than russians. I mean it's a common knowledge and source of countless jokes.

 

[aupmanyav]

On a number of threads you try to make India relevant, I get that.

US also is not very relevant for us. Sanctions affect just about 1% of our GDP. We do not buy much oil or military equipment from US. US too needs our personnel in medicine, computers, teaching, etc. Sanctions have energized us to look for opportunities elsewhere. We thank US for that. However, the two governments are negotiating. Let us see if something good comes out of that.

 

[aupmanyav]

And you're "right" that Ukraine in NATO is an existential problem for Russia--because you made it so. You lose in Ukraine, other provinces will realize they can leave without being destroyed.

Which provinces are you thinking about?