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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

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From the wiki page on Ukraine about 17% are ethnic Russian. How did they vote if they did?

How would you count Zelensky himself? His native language is Russian, and he even joked about ethnic Ukrainians in some of his early comedy skits. He is Jewish, but his family in the south central city of Kryvyi Rih spoke Russian. Now he speaks Ukrainian almost all the time, although his accent is not native. As a Russian-speaking Jew, Putin's army must have invaded to liberate him from the oppressive antisemitic Ukrainian Nazis. :unsure:
 

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From the wiki page on Ukraine about 17% are ethnic Russian. How did they vote if they did?

How would you count Zelensky himself? His native language is Russian, and he even joked about ethnic Ukrainians in some of his early comedy skits. He is Jewish, but his family in the south central city of Kryvyi Rih spoke Russian. Now he speaks Ukrainian almost all the time, although his accent is not native. As a Russian-speaking Jew, Putin's army must have invaded to liberate him from the oppressive antisemitic Ukrainian Nazis. :unsure:
Or it could be that Putin's gushing love of Mother Russia, Ukrainian Nazis, NATO aggression and western plans to destroy Russia are just floats in Putin's propaganda parade meant to distract parade goers from the truth. That truth is that Putin fears western democracy and to be held accountable for his crimes. Makes a lot more sense to me. It's continuing authoritarian corruption, more billions for Putin and his cronies, or a free Russia.

So let's see. If I were the Pootstain I'd be fighting like hell too to protect my criminal enterprise and keep the rule of law as far away from my territory as possible. When clueless sub-literates like Ramzan Kadyrov send their sons die for Pootstain's criminal empire it must warm the cockles of Putin's heart to know he has even Kadyrov fooled to the point that he will send his own sons to their deaths.
 

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We kept thinking it we open trade with China, NK, and Russia they will become like us with our values.

So far a wasted effort. All we get for our efforts is getting screwed.
 

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From the wiki page on Ukraine about 17% are ethnic Russian. How did they vote if they did?

How would you count Zelensky himself? His native language is Russian, and he even joked about ethnic Ukrainians in some of his early comedy skits. He is Jewish, but his family in the south central city of Kryvyi Rih spoke Russian. Now he speaks Ukrainian almost all the time, although his accent is not native. As a Russian-speaking Jew, Putin's army must have invaded to liberate him from the oppressive antisemitic Ukrainian Nazis. :unsure:
There is no way to know what Zelensky really thinks. After all he is both a comedian and politician, both based on facades.

Propaganda is what it is Ukraine or the USA or Russia. I do want Ukraine to succedd, that doesn't mean I think pre war there were no ethnic issues and conflicts. Ukraine was a work in progress derailed by Putin.

For ne the quetion is how the ethnic Russians voted if they voted at all.
 

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From the wiki page on Ukraine about 17% are ethnic Russian. How did they vote if they did?

How would you count Zelensky himself? His native language is Russian, and he even joked about ethnic Ukrainians in some of his early comedy skits. He is Jewish, but his family in the south central city of Kryvyi Rih spoke Russian. Now he speaks Ukrainian almost all the time, although his accent is not native. As a Russian-speaking Jew, Putin's army must have invaded to liberate him from the oppressive antisemitic Ukrainian Nazis. :unsure:
There is no way to know what Zelensky really thinks. After all he is both a comedian and politician, both based on facades.

Propaganda is what it is Ukraine or the USA or Russia. I do want Ukraine to succedd, that doesn't mean I think pre war there were no ethnic issues and conflicts. Ukraine was a work in progress derailed by Putin.

Like almost all the former Soviet Republics, Ukraine was rife with corruption. And it is more accurate to say that it was a work in progress BY Putin that got derailed by a comedian. The Kremlin was well on their way to making Kyiv a satellite kleptocracy, and invaded primarily because they were repeatedly failing.
 

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Like almost all the former Soviet Republics, Ukraine was rife with corruption. And it is more accurate to say that it was a work in progress BY Putin that got derailed by a comedian. The Kremlin was well on their way to making Kyiv a satellite kleptocracy, and invaded primarily because they were repeatedly failing.
Putin was hoping to protect and expand his criminal empire. When he saw it was failing he invaded, citing all manner of excuses. Luckily, his ability to surround himself with yes men was so efficient that he was badly misinformed of the potential Ukrainian response to armed invasion. Now he's sucking balls and in desperation hoping the other side caves.
 

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There is no way to know what Zelensky really thinks
Sure there is. When Russia first invaded, he was offered asylum and assistance to flee his country by the US. He responded “The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.”

Since then, he has remained in his country, organizing and directing its defence. These are neither the words, nor the actions, of someone who is in his position for selfish personal gain.
 

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If Russia fears Nato so much, why constantly bully Ukraine? It's Russia that is pushing Ukraine towards the west. Why do bullies always feel that they are the victim?
NATO!=West. Russia was not happy about Ukraine trying to get to EU, mainly because it would cost Russia money. But Russia did nothing to stop it. It's NATO.
Bully here is US. You are bullying everybody including Ukraine.
Russia are just trying to stop poor and penniless Ukraine from becoming an empire.
Yes, at Russia's expense.
Yeah, I hear this limited military action is costing Russia a lot—and may be costing Putin even more.
 

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Or it could be that Putin's gushing love of Mother Russia, Ukrainian Nazis, NATO aggression and western plans to destroy Russia are just floats in Putin's propaganda parade meant to distract parade goers from the truth. That truth is that Putin fears western democracy and to be held accountable for his crimes. Makes a lot more sense to me. It's continuing authoritarian corruption, more billions for Putin and his cronies, or a free Russia.
Autocrats like him usually don't survive the loss of power.
 

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Finnish city removes last publicly displayed statue of Lenin | AP News
A city in southeastern Finland on Tuesday removed the country’s last publicly displayed statue of Russian revolutionary leader Vladimir Lenin following pressure from residents in the wake of Russia’s war in Ukraine.

A group of construction workers in Kotka, a port city of 52,000 not far from the border with Russia, hoisted the statue into a truck and drove it away to a warehouse of a local museum.
Thus joining the numerous other fallen statues of Communist leaders.
City museum director Kirsi Niku told Finnish public broadcaster YLE that the bronze bust was designed and constructed by Estonian sculptor Matti Varik in the late 1970s on orders from Moscow.

It was presented to Kotka in 1979 as a gift from friendship city Tallinn, then the capital of the Estonian Soviet republic and now the capital of the Baltic nation of Estonia.

Presenting such statues was a common practice by Moscow, particularly in the 1970s and 1980s, to underline the Finnish-Soviet friendship in the post-WWII era.

In Ukraine itself,  Demolition of monuments to Vladimir Lenin in Ukraine - some  De-Leninization
Ленінопад - Leninopad - literally "Leninfall", like "waterfall" and "snowfall". A common Slavic name for an autumn month is "Listopad" ~ "Listapad" ~ "Lystopad" -- literally "leaf-fall".
 

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The Ukrainian army is not only close to Kreminna, but also close to Svatove, further to the north: NOËL 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "The AFU is within 10 KM of Svatove 🔥 Let's calmly wait for the news to arrive, but things are progressing very well." / Twitter

On posting pictures and video:
NOËL 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "A clarification ..." / Twitter
A clarification on why we can share pictures from the front. The front line moves faster than pictures are taken. Why? Because the first mechanized echelon, which breaks through and grinds the enemy, is not allowed to take photos (if something is filmed, it's posted later).

The second, third and other echelons of the infantry, which have already entered the liberated settlements and entrenched themselves, are actively taking photos.

While the second and third echelons take pictures, the first moves 10-15 / 1 day forward to chase the enemy.

So in general: the difference between "the first confirmation" and reality is often a day or 10-15 kilometers of progress. Therefore it is safe for us to publish pictures as we know it will never come from the first echelons, having the hardest duties.
There is also the problem of geolocation metadata, especially information on where and when its media file was recorded. That can be a troublesome giveaway, but that can also be useful as information on their provenance. But it's possible to purge that data.
 

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Look at who the Russian Army wants as footsoldiers.
 

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Ukraine now has some impressive advances near Kherson.

Ukraine regains Kherson villages from Russians - BBC News
Defense of Ukraine on Twitter: "The Ukrainian flag flies again over the village of Davydiv Brid, Kherson region.
The Ukrainian marines are confidently advancing towards the Black Sea
🎥: 35th Marine Brigade. (vid link)" / Twitter


Michael MacKay on Twitter: "The Russian invaders are retreating chaotically and abandoning the north of Kherson region. Ukrainian defenders are chasing them to Beryslav.
Davydiv Brid, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Starosillya and other settlements have been liberated. (pic link)" / Twitter


BlueSauron👁️ on Twitter: "Ukrainian SOF liberated the village of Petropavlivka, Kherson Oblast. With the Russians retreating to their new defense lines, other villages in the area will be regained by Ukrainian Forces without any resistance. #Russia #Ukraine (pix link)" / Twitter

Saint Javelin on Twitter: "Novopetrivka in Kherson region. Show this to everyone who supports and justifies russian pseudoreferenda. Are you sure these people voted for joining russia? (vid link)" / Twitter

Siraj Noorani on Twitter: "The Ukrainian Armed Forces return the #Ukrainian flag to its rightful place in the liberated Arkhanhel's'ke, #Kherson region. (vid link)" / Twitter

MilitaryLand.net on Twitter: "📽️🇺🇦 7th Battalion of Ukrainian Volunteer Army raised Ukrainian flag in the center of Velyka Oleksandrivka, #Kherson Oblast. #UkraineRussiaWar (vid link)" / Twitter

Oleh Novikov 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "Ukrainian armed forces liberated Lyubimivka, Khreshchenivka, Zolota Balka, Bilyaivka, Ukrainka, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Mala Oleksandrivka and Davydiv Brid in the Berislavsky district of the Kherson region – Southern operative command (pic link)" / Twitter

Also advancing to Dudchany on the Dnieper / Dnipro river.

Russian forces retreated about 30 kilometers to the Kherson region, Moscow's official map revealed -

Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 on Twitter: "Russia successfully advances backwards on the Kherson front line (pic link)" / Twitter
 

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Ukraine war: Liberated town shows human cost of Russia's defeat - BBC News - Lyman, Ukraine
Victory can look desolate.

It does inside the eastern Ukrainian town of Lyman, retaken from the Russians at the weekend. The deserted debris-strewn streets are lined by boarded up or burnt-out buildings. Metal sheeting dangling from smashed roofs is buffeted by the wind. Few civilians venture out. We counted almost as many dogs as people - though the population was around 20,000 before the war.

The handful of civilians we met seem shell-shocked by months of bombardment, and uncertain their ordeal is over.

The only surge of life was a convoy of Ukrainian troops riding high on top of armoured personnel carriers, waving and cheering, as they headed out of town, along a road bordered by pine forest.

They roared past evidence of the human cost of Russia's defeat.

The bodies of five dead Russian soldiers lay near each other, now bloated, and contorted by death, but once somebody's husband or somebody's son.

They were in full uniform, with boots still on, as if they might somehow return to the fight. They appear to have been cut down together as they tried to flee.

Nearby we saw a heap of discarded Russian uniforms, sleeping bags, and ration packs. There was an army backpack with a name written on it. We don't know what became of its owner.
 

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Surround them then besiege them. It worked for Lyman.
They didn't besiege Lyman. Rather, they almost surrounded it but deliberately left one road open--the Russians didn't want to be cut off and retreated--into a shooting gallery.
 

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The Russian authorities in Crimea, which Moscow annexed from Ukraine in 2014, have fined a local beauty queen for singing a Ukrainian song.
Olga Valeyeva was accused of discrediting Russia's military and promoting extremist symbols after a video showed her singing Red Viburnum.
The 19th Century military march is popular among Ukrainian nationalists.
Valeyeva, who said she had been unaware of the song's associations, was fined 40,000 roubles (£609; $684).
A second woman who had sung the song along with her was given 10 days in jail.
Crimea's Russian-installed interior ministry posted a video where the two women publicly apologise for singing the song.
 

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Everything is nicely imploding for Adolf Putin. Anyone seen comrade Barbos lately? :unsure:
 
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Everything is nicely imploding for Adolf Putin. Anyone seen comrade Barbos lately? :unsure:
He's around. He just hasn't posted anything. This is because Barbos doesn't like making claims unless they are verifiable by reputable sources. Say what you will about Barbos, he always shows his receipts.

And before you ask, yes I've been drinking.
 

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I'm guessing they're counting whatever equipment Russians left behind when withdrawing from Lyman and other villages. Some of which may have been counted destroyed already earlier. Ukrainian numbers are more reliable than Russian, but they're still propaganda...

My rule of thumb: Ukraine exaggerates by a factor of 2, Russia by a factor of 10.
 

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I'm guessing they're counting whatever equipment Russians left behind when withdrawing from Lyman and other villages. Some of which may have been counted destroyed already earlier. Ukrainian numbers are more reliable than Russian, but they're still propaganda...

My rule of thumb: Ukraine exaggerates by a factor of 2, Russia by a factor of 10.
That's a good way to look at it.
 

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I have never been on Twitter.

The Twitter link says disable adblocker and ant tracker software.

They are out to get me.
 

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These are the soldiers and citizens Putin does not want in his ranks

Oleksiy described Russian forces “running away” from advancing Ukrainians, leaving their “rusty” weapons behind.

“They have rusty and rotting machine guns, shells that mostly do not burst, which is very good for us, as well as equipment that is still from the USSR,” he said.

“They (the Russians) don’t fight badly, but they don’t have the goal of war like ours, so that’s how it turns out. Those who believe they are defending their territories die on our land.”

Before the war, Oleksiy had dreams of becoming a football coach but his life changed when Russia invaded in February.

“You’ll think I’m too rude to the Russians, but I’m sorry, we didn’t ask or force them to invade,” he said. “I feel both anger and hatred for them and it is getting even stronger.

“It’s difficult for us because they’ve been preparing for the invasion for many years, whereas we didn’t expect such a mean blow.”

As fighting in Kherson rages on, Oleksiy is confident that his forces can continue their advance and change the tide of the war.

“It will be difficult, but we will definitely return our lands,” he said. “I think a certain number will retreat, and we’ll knock out the rest from there.

“Thanks to the help of our foreign friends, the victory will happen many times faster.”

But Oleksiy does not know what he will do when the fighting stops.

Even if propaganda, not too bad. His type person does not exist in Russia anymore. They've all fled, been killed, neutered, imprisoned or exiled because they are a threat to the criminal status quo.
 

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In the Iraq war there was drone vides of Iraquis abandoning their tanks and wabvng their arms when a drone appearedd. Drones were used for targeting naval guns.

There were also reports of Iraqi pilots ejecting rather than dog fight.
 

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NATO promised a war until the last ukrainian.
Where?
On the internet. One of your generals said that. He said it disapprovingly though.
And no, I am not searching for the link.

Barbos is right this time, it was said by the famous Nato general владимир путин, and this guy has done more for Nato than anybody.
Oopsie!

"Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can you say here? Let them try," Putin said.

This was from July 7th. I wonder if his assessment has changed?

Because at this point, if NATO countries drew straws to see which one (and only one) got tasked with pushing the Russians out of Ukraine, and Poland drew the short straw?

Putin would still be fucked.

Right now, every country with even a remote possibility of tangling with Russia in a conventional war is reassessing their plans, because the vaunted Russian military has been revealed to be weaker than the active ingredients in homeopathic medicine. And that was before they lost tens of thousand of soldiers and thousands of heavy weapons in Ukraine. A smart Russian general or two (if there are any) should be looking around and asking "um...guys? What happens if someone attacks US?"
 

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I have never been on Twitter.

The Twitter link says disable adblocker and ant tracker software.

They are out to get me.
If you saw that, they already got you. Submit. There is no other choice.
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
You have slaves rounded up and obeying their remote masters. What could go wrong?
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
You have slaves rounded up and obeying their remote masters. What could go wrong?
Not to mention that some of them volunteered like right proper sociopaths, because they wanted to kill people, and the people holding their leash are equally absent.
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
You have slaves rounded up and obeying their remote masters. What could go wrong?
And you’re arming the slaves too!
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
russian loans.png

How sad is that? Going into debt to buy equipment because your Government wants to send you to die. And die for an unjust cause at that.
 

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Billionaire Elon Musk tweeted this:
Elon Musk on Twitter: "Ukraine-Russia Peace:
- Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.
- Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).
- Water supply to Crimea assured.
- Ukraine remains neutral." / Twitter


???

Carl Bildt on Twitter: "Putin has obviously suppressed any memory of this, but these are the numbers for the Yes vote in the 1991 referendum in 🇺🇦 on independence. Every single region voted clearly for independence. (pic link)" / Twitter - showing the vote by oblast.
then
Steven Pifer on Twitter: "Well worth remembering:
Luhansk oblast -- 83% for independence
Donetsk oblast -- 83% for independence
Zaporizhzhia oblast -- 90% for independence
Kherson oblast -- 90% for independence
Crimea -- 54% for independence" / Twitter

Crimea was a borderline case. All the rest of Ukraine voted strongly for independence, with Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts having the weakest of those votes, at 83%. The highest fraction was some western oblasts, at 98%.
The results:
  • Early 1991: "Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?" - For: 71.48%, Turnout: 83.52%
  • Early 1991: "Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of a Union of Soviet Sovereign States on the basis on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?" - For: 817%, Turnout: 83.5%
  • December 1991: "Do you support the Act of Declaration of Independence of Ukraine?" - For: 92.26%, Turnout: 84.18%
 

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Crimea is the odd one out, the only place where there seems like a big fraction of pro-Russian people.

Putin is losing the war in all 4 Ukrainian regions he 'annexed'
To hear pro-Russian military analysts tell it, in the last 72 hours Ukraine has managed to simultaneously recapture about 1,000 square kilometers of terrain in the northeast of the country and 2,200 square kilometers in the south.

Ukraine update: Ukraine advances on Berislav in the south, and Svatove in the north

Trending News on Twitter: "#Ukraine: Approximately 6 BTR(-70) APC were damaged or destroyed during the Ukrainian attack in #Kherson Oblast; but as the area is now under the control of Ukrainian forces, it is likely that most can be recovered/repaired. (vid link)" / Twitter
The view from a Ukrainian tank on a road, passing some Russian military hardware.

Russian troops are filmed surrendering to Ukraine in Kherson - Kherson Oblast, though obviously not the city itself.
 

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Cute bit of satire of the Russian "referendums" in the occupied parts of Ukraine:

Kupradix 🇨🇿 on Twitter: "After a stunning referendum where 102% of Kaliningrad oblast voted to join Czechia, we welcome the new region of Královec as a part of our republic. It is a natural correction of a great injustice considering our deep historical ties. #Kaliningrad (pic link)" / Twitter
Kaliningrad Oblast turned into Královecký kraj in the Czech Republic (Česká republika).

Paweł Witecki on Twitter: "@KubsX @kupradix Should be: Kaliningrad is Russia, Królewiec is Poland, Königsberg is Germany, Královec is Czechia 🙃" / Twitter
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povilas74 on Twitter: "@lospabloss @KubsX @kupradix And Karaliaučius is Lithuania!" / Twitter

Social Media Joke About Annexing Russia's Kaliningrad Goes Viral - "The capital of the enclave was founded in the 13th century by Teutonic knights and named Konigsberg (King's Hill) in honour of then-Czech King Premysl Otakar II."

Czech Petition on Annexing Kaliningrad From Russia Signed by Thousands - Newsweek
In the aftermath of Russia's illegal annexation of parts of Ukraine's territory in the southwestern region of the country, politicians in the Czech Republic have been joking about dividing the Russian Kaliningrad region. Now, a satirical petition launched by Czechs to do just that has been signed by over 13,000 people.
Interpreting Königsberg as King's Rock. The first translation I think of is King's Mountain.
"We believe that Russia has played with Kaliningrad for too long and it is time to send it one state back again, as has already become the custom in the less than 800 years of its existence. And since the city was founded in honor of the Czech king, it should pass into the hands of the rightful owner—the Czech Republic," the petition reads.

"As Russia showed us in Crimea and is now showing us in the east of Ukraine, it is perfectly fine to step onto the territory of a foreign state, announce a referendum there and then annex the territory. We thus had a unique opportunity to expand the Czech territory and finally gain access to the sea," it continued.

"We, therefore, demand the government of the Czech Republic to send Czech soldiers to Kaliningrad, announce a referendum that will end with a result of 98 percent in favor of joining the Czech Republic, and subsequently annex Kaliningrad and rename it Královec."

The petition has already collected over 13,000 signatures.

Czechs troll Russia with mock annexation of Kaliningrad - NY Post
The Czech Republic is a landlocked country and absorbing the region would give Czechs sea access for the first time, “supporters” of the move joked.

“It’s time to divide Kaliningrad so that our Czech brothers finally have access to the sea,” said a viral post retweeted by European Parliament member Tomas Zdechovsky.

The post included a map that showed Kaliningrad carved up in two — with the top half marked with a Czech flag and the bottom section marked with a Polish flag.

“We will hold a referendum to make Kaliningrad Czech-Polish,” he went on, using an emoji of a laughing face. “We will take the guide in Crimea.”

He then posted a Twitter poll and quickly declared while the poll remained open that “the results are clear.” A petition followed and has garnered almost 15,000 signatures as of Wednesday. An “official” Twitter account for the renamed Královec already had 51,000 followers.

“After a successful referendum, 97.9% of Kaliningrad residents decided to merge with the Czech Republic and rename Kaliningrad to Královec,” the account tweeted.
 

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Reports are coming in that new conscripts being sent to Ukraine are being shook down for cell phones and gear by Russian soldiers. Fights and mutinies are resulting. Reportedly a number of theiving contract soldiers got severly beaten, locked themselves in a baracks and had to call for help. It is going to be a long war.
They can’t take cell phones with them because they’ll call +38 066 580 34 98, Ukraine’s “I want to live” hotline.
 

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It's actually a sneaky trick for Germany to retake Königsberg and a part of East Prussia. The beer comes from what used to be the Sudetenland, which was primarily inhabited by ethnic Germans until they were driven out in 1945.
 
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As someone pointed out Zelensky barely got elected.
Just a side note, but Zelensky got 75% in the 2019 election. In most countries that would be considered a landslide.

You might be thinking of his approval ratings that were below 30% before the war.
ok, I should have fact checked.
Sorry, that was probably my bad. I think that I was referring to the previous election.

In the final roud about 20 million votes were cast.out of a paoulation of about 50 million.

From the wiki page on Ukraine about 17% are ethnic Russian. How did they vote if they did?

Fat chance Ukranian ethnic Russians would vote for Russia. Who in their right mind would elect to be part of Russia, considering how Russia has been behaving? Thinking they'd be happy about it is the same flawed logic that led to USA putting all ethnic Japanese in internment camps during WW2. Most Ukrainians speak Russian, and can fluently switch between both. And do. So it's not like ethnic Russians, in any way have a reason to feel like a persecuted minority. That is all a story created by Putin's propaganda machine
 
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