How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Trausti]

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

I see no need to provide any sophisticated arguments when all you've got is Hannity-esque Bush era, "Libruhls haet 'Merica !!!!!11111oneoneone" rhetorical bullshit. Time for you to post another meme, isn't it?

So, that leftists hate America is something new to you?

Woman On Rittenhouse Trial Court Steps Says ‘F**k America’ Before Collapsing

 

[Hermit]

Anti-American. Anti-Western. Really all you need.

It's what your lord and saviour wishes the US to be when he isn't busy fellating dictators and yet I wouldn't call Trump a leftist.

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

Godwin's law stating "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one", its corollary would be just as bland. You could substitute "Nazis" or "Hitler" with anything you want, including "Godwin's law".

 

[Hermit]

Anti-American. Anti-Western. Really all you need.

It's what your lord and saviour wishes the US to be when he isn't busy fellating dictators and yet I wouldn't call Trump a leftist.

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

Godwin's law stating "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one", its corollary would be just as bland. You could substitute "Nazis" or "Hitler" with anything you want, including "Godwin's law".

 

[Patooka]

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

I see no need to provide any sophisticated arguments when all you've got is Hannity-esque Bush era, "Libruhls haet 'Merica !!!!!11111oneoneone" rhetorical bullshit. Time for you to post another meme, isn't it?

So, that leftists hate America is something new to you?

Woman On Rittenhouse Trial Court Steps Says ‘F**k America’ Before Collapsing

Wow. You're making my argument for me. I don't really need to add anything else.

 

[pood]

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

I see no need to provide any sophisticated arguments when all you've got is Hannity-esque Bush era, "Libruhls haet 'Merica !!!!!11111oneoneone" rhetorical bullshit. Time for you to post another meme, isn't it?

So, that leftists hate America is something new to you?

Woman On Rittenhouse Trial Court Steps Says ‘F**k America’ Before Collapsing

Leftists do not hate America. They hate American hypocrisy, its failures to live up to its stated ideas.

Trump and his Trumpanzee supporters hate America. They hate the Delcartation of Independence. They hate the Constitution. They hate black and brown people, and women, too. They hate democracy. They hate the idea that anybody but them have the right to vote. They hate the poor and adulate the parasticial rich. They hate sciece. They hate reason and rationality itself. They love dictators — that’s why Trump and his Trumpanzees love Putin. They love North Korea’s dictator, too. Trump says he exchanged “love letters” with the guy, and gushed about how his aides and generals bowed and scraped fearfully before him, and said he wished exactly the same thing were done before him, in his presence.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I wish that I weren't always right regarding the motivations of the Russian invasion. But I alleged pretty early on in this thread that this war on Ukraine was really about water. Herr Putin wanted Ukrainian's water for Crimeria.

MSN

www.msn.com

NATO. The answer is NATO.

It's really about the fact that Russia wants weak countries on its border that it can dominate and steal from (water, resources, etc) if needed. If it really is about NATO, then Putin is the dumbest fucking leader in the world. Because his actions have united NATO. More people are against Russia than any time in history. At some point, China will tire about being Russia's bitch, and will start operating in its own benefit, and then the Ruskies will be in trouble. I wouldn't be buying the ruble anytime soon...

 

[pood]

China is not Russia’s bitch. It’s quite the other way around. China’s economy is titanic, and Russia’s is minuscule. Hopefully after the sanctions it will be essentially kaput.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I don't fully understand Trausti's misplaced loyalty to Russia. I can understand his emotional love because it is really just hatred toward losing elections here in the U.S. Saying it's NATO, NATO, NATO is like listening to Hitler's pounding the podium saying it's the JEW It's the JEW, It's the JEW. Okay, so madmen have their enemies which works to rile people up and make them all feel butthurt. But you'd think his intellectual capacities would kick in and override the emotional stupidity. That apparently doesn't happen with some people, madness simply prevails.

 

[Harry Bosch]

China is not Russia’s bitch. It’s quite the other way around. China’s economy is titanic, and Russia’s is minuscule. Hopefully after the sanctions it will be essentially kaput.

Right now, China is Putin's bitch. China gets very little from its Russian ally. The amount of commerce that Russia offers China compared to western world is minuscule. China gets virtually nothing from its relationship with Russia. Actually, it's hurting China greatly due to huge increases in commodity costs; loss of allies; trade, and etc. Once Europe and other countries start putting economic pressure on China, Russia will be cut off. China could crush Russia once they realize that it could be in their best interests to do so.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I don't fully understand Trausti's misplaced loyalty to Russia. I can understand his emotional love because it is really just hatred toward losing elections here in the U.S. Saying it's NATO, NATO, NATO is like listening to Hitler's pounding the podium saying it's the JEW It's the JEW, It's the JEW. Okay, so madmen have their enemies which works to rile people up and make them all feel butthurt. But you'd think his intellectual capacities would kick in and override the emotional stupidity. That apparently doesn't happen with some people, madness simply prevails.

Related to the above, I've also never understood why the Trumplibicans want a weaker NATO?

 

[SLD]

I don't fully understand Trausti's misplaced loyalty to Russia. I can understand his emotional love because it is really just hatred toward losing elections here in the U.S. Saying it's NATO, NATO, NATO is like listening to Hitler's pounding the podium saying it's the JEW It's the JEW, It's the JEW. Okay, so madmen have their enemies which works to rile people up and make them all feel butthurt. But you'd think his intellectual capacities would kick in and override the emotional stupidity. That apparently doesn't happen with some people, madness simply prevails.

Related to the above, I've also never understood why the Trumplibicans want a weaker NATO?

Because Trump says so. And Trump is always right. And he’s likely been compromised by Russian agents, either through mob ties or a honeypot scheme.

 

[SLD]

So this is an interesting article about ways Russians are getting around internet censorship.

Russian internet users are learning to beat Putin's internet crackdown

A digital Iron Curtain may be descending on Russia, as President Vladimir Putin struggles to control the narrative about his war in Ukraine. The Kremlin has already moved to block Facebook and Twitter, and its latest step in that direction came Friday as the government announced plans to block...

www.cnn.com

It illustrates that Russians know that they are being fed propaganda, and are hungry for real news. The government doesn’t know how to firewall internet access like the Chinese.

 

[TSwizzle]

Anti-American. Anti-Western. Really all you need.

It's what your lord and saviour wishes the US to be when he isn't busy fellating dictators and yet I wouldn't call Trump a leftist.

There ought to be a corollary to Godwin's law. One where a discussion will inevitably mention Trump when a reasoned rebuttal cannot be had.

There is no cure for TDS.

 

[Elixir]

There is no cure for TDS.

That's probably correct, insofar as Trump Derangement has accrued almost exclusively to trumpsuckers, and they embrace it wholeheartedly.
Those who pegged Trump as corrupt Russian pawn from the start have been long-since vindicated - Cheato has lived up to every dire prediction related to his stupidity and that of his followers, while those deranged followers keep sucking up Russian propaganda that tells them he's the good guy.

that leftists hate America is something new to you?

What's new is that American "conservatives" now embrace a corrupt, atheistic isolationist puppet of a foreign dictator, who controls what's left of what was once the conservative political party of the United States. That former Party is now just a tool of fascist foreign influence, heartily embraced by the Party's leader who hopes he too can become an all-powerful dictator some day.
Meanwhile, our neo-cons keep obediently conflating their bloated leader with "America" just as he does..

 

[Politesse]

I don't fully understand Trausti's misplaced loyalty to Russia. I can understand his emotional love because it is really just hatred toward losing elections here in the U.S. Saying it's NATO, NATO, NATO is like listening to Hitler's pounding the podium saying it's the JEW It's the JEW, It's the JEW. Okay, so madmen have their enemies which works to rile people up and make them all feel butthurt. But you'd think his intellectual capacities would kick in and override the emotional stupidity. That apparently doesn't happen with some people, madness simply prevails.

Related to the above, I've also never understood why the Trumplibicans want a weaker NATO?

Because NATO isn't "fair" to us, as any of them will tell you. Just imagine the world as a toddler would understand it, and the Trumpista worldview immediately clarifies.

 

[ZiprHead]

Read the thread for a great amount of hilarity.

 

[Copernicus]

I wish that I weren't always right regarding the motivations of the Russian invasion. But I alleged pretty early on in this thread that this war on Ukraine was really about water. Herr Putin wanted Ukrainian's water for Crimeria.

MSN

www.msn.com

NATO. The answer is NATO.

Interesting clip. I believe that Gorbachev's translator there is Pavel Palazhenko, and old acquaintance of mine from my days of teaching linguistics at Columbia and Barnard. He used to work as a simultaneous translator at the UN and later became Gorbachev's personal translator. We used to have a lot of linguistic discussions. He was also a ranking officer in the KGB (or so I believe, because he was the only Russian in the UN mission allowed to live outside of their compound).

In any case, Gorbachev was right about so-called "NATO expansion" being an issue for the Russians, although I think of it as "Russian contraction", since all of those countries were clamoring to get into NATO as insurance against future Russian expansion back into their countries. It wasn't the US or Europe that was humiliating Russia by moving closer to its borders. Rather, it was Russia humiliating itself with its historical role as the huge stinker that drove all those countries away. And it wasn't the NATO issue that caused Russia to invade Ukraine. That was the pretext, of course, but there was nothing going on that would have suddenly driven Russia to invade other than the fact that a popular revolt in Ukraine had driven out Putin's ally, Viktor Yanukovych, whose election had come about with the help of none other than Paul Manafort, a Republican operative. Not even the water was the issue, because Russia wouldn't have needed water for Crimea if it had never seized Crimea by force of arms in the first place.

 

[ZiprHead]

Barbos must have gotten another weekend off. I wonder if he's spending his time off trying to find an ATM with any money left in it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Moscow asking Beijing for military help - reports

Russia is asking China for both military and economic assistance, according to reports in the Financial Times and New York Times newspapers.

Moscow wants Beijing to provide military supplies to use in Ukraine, the FT says.

Citing unnamed US officials, the FT reported that Russia had been requesting Chinese equipment since the start of the invasion. The officials declined to specify what kind of equipment Russia is seeking.

The report added that there were indications that China may be preparing to help.

A separate report in the New York Times - again citing US officials - alleges Russia is also asking for economic assistance to mitigate the impact of sanctions.

China has so far sought to portray itself as neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and has not condemned the invasion.

On Monday US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan is expected to hold talks with a top Chinese foreign policy official, Yang Jiechi, in Rome.

Speaking to NBC on Sunday, Sullivan said the US would "ensure that China nor anyone else" can compensate Russia for its economic losses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60717902

 

[Harry Bosch]

Moscow asking Beijing for military help - reports

Russia is asking China for both military and economic assistance, according to reports in the Financial Times and New York Times newspapers.

Moscow wants Beijing to provide military supplies to use in Ukraine, the FT says.

Citing unnamed US officials, the FT reported that Russia had been requesting Chinese equipment since the start of the invasion. The officials declined to specify what kind of equipment Russia is seeking.

The report added that there were indications that China may be preparing to help.

A separate report in the New York Times - again citing US officials - alleges Russia is also asking for economic assistance to mitigate the impact of sanctions.

China has so far sought to portray itself as neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and has not condemned the invasion.

On Monday US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan is expected to hold talks with a top Chinese foreign policy official, Yang Jiechi, in Rome.

Speaking to NBC on Sunday, Sullivan said the US would "ensure that China nor anyone else" can compensate Russia for its economic losses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60717902

Wow, that's stunning. Again, China isn't getting much from Russia. What is Russia offering to get arms from China? Surely not rubles! China is helping Russia now for some reason, but it will come at a steep a cost in the future.