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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Another problem that Ukraine has is that its government is handling the economy very poorly, even given the circumstances. There are price controls and other socialist nonsense that has crippled the private sector. Western governments should look into that as well and provide expert advice how to fix it, rather than just pour money to bail out Ukraine.
Wartime economies often have that character. Replacing a free floating price with a fixed price plus a system of rationing is a sensible approach when you are fighting for your very existence as a nation.

Even the USA did this to a limited extent in WWII, for essential war materiel like vehicle fuels.
 
higher gas prices for everyone
So tell me again how US policy would prevent this then? This benefits Iran regardless. The pragmatism alone would drive it.
 
higher gas prices for everyone
So tell me again how US policy would prevent this then? This benefits Iran regardless. The pragmatism alone would drive it.
The best thing that we can do to lower the cost of fuel is to help end the Ukraine war. Russia isn't going to stop until their troops return home. Ukraine is at their home. There's no place for them to retreat to. The Iranian drones will help Russia target and destroy Ukranian assets - making the war last longer. Separate issue: we also need to free up the port of Odessa so that Ukrainian grain can be shipped. This can only happen if we clear out the mines and push back or sink the Russian naval ships. The Iranian weapons will help Russia elongate this war.
 
higher gas prices for everyone
So tell me again how US policy would prevent this then? This benefits Iran regardless. The pragmatism alone would drive it.
The best thing that we can do to lower the cost of fuel is to help end the Ukraine war. Russia isn't going to stop until their troops return home. Ukraine is at their home. There's no place for them to retreat to. The Iranian drones will help Russia target and destroy Ukranian assets - making the war last longer. Separate issue: we also need to free up the port of Odessa so that Ukrainian grain can be shipped. This can only happen if we clear out the mines and push back or sink the Russian naval ships. The Iranian weapons will help Russia elongate this war.
I don't see how that will work out.

The mines are there to stop Russian warships. Right now there are absolutely no signs that Russia has given up on capturing Mykolaiv or Odessa, and is in fact hitting the latter almost daily. Only scenario where it would make sense for Ukraine to give up on the sea mines is if Russian troops leave, which they are not going to do anytime soon.
 
higher gas prices for everyone
So tell me again how US policy would prevent this then? This benefits Iran regardless. The pragmatism alone would drive it.
The best thing that we can do to lower the cost of fuel is to help end the Ukraine war. Russia isn't going to stop until their troops return home. Ukraine is at their home. There's no place for them to retreat to. The Iranian drones will help Russia target and destroy Ukranian assets - making the war last longer. Separate issue: we also need to free up the port of Odessa so that Ukrainian grain can be shipped. This can only happen if we clear out the mines and push back or sink the Russian naval ships. The Iranian weapons will help Russia elongate this war.
I don't see how that will work out.

The mines are there to stop Russian warships. Right now there are absolutely no signs that Russia has given up on capturing Mykolaiv or Odessa, and is in fact hitting the latter almost daily. Only scenario where it would make sense for Ukraine to give up on the sea mines is if Russian troops leave, which they are not going to do anytime soon.
I don't disagree with you. The UN thinks that it found a compromise between Ukraine and Russia that would allow the shipments out. But I'd trust the Russians about as far as I could throw dog shit in the rain. I'm suspicious. Absolutely zero trust in the Russians. Unfortunately, I don't think that the grain will flow until the Russian war machine in Ukraine is destroyed.
 
higher gas prices for everyone
So tell me again how US policy would prevent this then? This benefits Iran regardless. The pragmatism alone would drive it.
The best thing that we can do to lower the cost of fuel is to help end the Ukraine war. Russia isn't going to stop until their troops return home. Ukraine is at their home. There's no place for them to retreat to. The Iranian drones will help Russia target and destroy Ukranian assets - making the war last longer. Separate issue: we also need to free up the port of Odessa so that Ukrainian grain can be shipped. This can only happen if we clear out the mines and push back or sink the Russian naval ships. The Iranian weapons will help Russia elongate this war.
I don't see how that will work out.

The mines are there to stop Russian warships. Right now there are absolutely no signs that Russia has given up on capturing Mykolaiv or Odessa, and is in fact hitting the latter almost daily. Only scenario where it would make sense for Ukraine to give up on the sea mines is if Russian troops leave, which they are not going to do anytime soon.
I don't disagree with you. The UN thinks that it found a compromise between Ukraine and Russia that would allow the shipments out. But I'd trust the Russians about as far as I could throw dog shit in the rain. I'm suspicious. Absolutely zero trust in the Russians. Unfortunately, I don't think that the grain will flow until the Russian war machine in Ukraine is destroyed.
... For the record, dog shit flies fairly well in the rain.

My husband discovered this when trying to flip a dog turd out of our yard and what he thought would only put enough momentum in to get it to the sidewalk instead put enough momentum on it to send it arcing all the way onto the neighbor's car.

Seeing as how they also owned the dog that left the shit there, we left it where it ended up.
 
Dnipro was hit today with several cruise missiles by Russia. From the early reports, it seems lots of civilians killed, no clear military targets. Probably revenge for the ammo dumps and command posts that Ukraine has hit over the past few weeks.

Ukraine needs SAM batteries against these attacks sooner rather than later.
 
Dnipro was hit today with several cruise missiles by Russia. From the early reports, it seems lots of civilians killed, no clear military targets. Probably revenge for the ammo dumps and command posts that Ukraine has hit over the past few weeks.

Ukraine needs SAM batteries against these attacks sooner rather than later.
The problem, as I see it, is that the war is being fought as a defensive war. Such wars only end when the aggressor decides to stop feeding 'cannon fodder' into the fray or when the defenders can no longer resist. I see no evidence that Putin gives a shit how many Russian conscripts are killed so would have no reason to stop sending in 'cannon fodder'. And then the Ukrainian military personnel are slowly being diminished and the Ukrainian infrastructure being demolished.

If the E.U. seriously wants to stop Russian expansionism, then the Russian leadership (or even Russia itself) needs to be under threat. The question then seems to be whether the E.U. will simply accept Russian expansionism or if they are willing to end Russia's expansionism by taking the battle to Russia?
 
If the E.U. seriously wants to stop Russian expansionism, then the Russian leadership (or even Russia itself) needs to be under threat. The question then seems to be whether the E.U. will simply accept Russian expansionism or if they are willing to end Russia's expansionism by taking the battle to Russia?
The EU seriously wants to avoid widespread blackouts in German cities due to the cessation of Russian gas supplies.

Stopping Russian expansionism is a ‘nice to have’ option that takes a very distant second place to what the EU sees as the most serious issue here.
 
If the E.U. seriously wants to stop Russian expansionism, then the Russian leadership (or even Russia itself) needs to be under threat. The question then seems to be whether the E.U. will simply accept Russian expansionism or if they are willing to end Russia's expansionism by taking the battle to Russia?
The EU seriously wants to avoid widespread blackouts in German cities due to the cessation of Russian gas supplies.

Stopping Russian expansionism is a ‘nice to have’ option that takes a very distant second place to what the EU sees as the most serious issue here.
I agree. From their actions, they seem to be willing to just accept Russian expansionism as a tradeoff for being able to continue 'life as usual'... sorta the Chamberlain option.
 
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