How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

How in the world will this happen?

Via systematic extermination of humans operating these weapons, along with weapons itself of course.

?? Are you in a different dimension than I? Your countrymen have been attempting the above for 6 months. And you've lost ground. Your side is retreating. While Ukraine is stronger. larger, and better armed. Ukrainians are getting top of the line western weapons; your side is getting military drones from Iran and missiles from North Korea. Have you ever heard of the term DENIAL?

 

[barbos]

?? Are you in a different dimension than I? Your countrymen have been attempting the above for 6 months. And you've lost ground

As far as I understand they have been doing pretty good job of exterminating ukrainian human soldiers. And no ground were lost overall. That would mean Ukraine occupying Russia.

 

[barbos]

your side is getting military drones from Iran and missiles from North Korea

Yes, that's what CNN claims, they're lying.

You did not answer my question.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream. Russian people will suffer for generations for the war that Putler started.

 

[barbos]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream.

I don't care about your predictions. Putin will do mobilization and nuke the Kiev if necessary but Russia is not going to lose this war with NATO.

My prediction is less drastic, Russia will freeze EU into submission. I mean, this seems to be the current plan.

You still has not answered my question.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream.

I don't care about your predictions. Putin will do mobilization and nuke the Kiev if necessary but Russia is not going to lose this war with NATO.

My prediction is less drastic, Russia will freeze EU into submission. I mean, this seems to be the current plan.

We'll see my friend. BTW: do you not have spell checker in Mother Russia? In case you don't, the capital of the great country of Ukraine is Kyiv. Not Kiev.

 

[barbos]

the capital of the great country of Ukraine is Kyiv. Not Kiev.

Irony here is that english speakers can't really pronounce "Kyiv". So stick with Kiev.

Still no answer to my question.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

How in the world will this happen?

Via systematic extermination of humans operating these weapons, along with weapons itself of course.

?? Are you in a different dimension than I? Your countrymen have been attempting the above for 6 months. And you've lost ground. Your side is retreating. While Ukraine is stronger. larger, and better armed. Ukrainians are getting top of the line western weapons; your side is getting military drones from Iran and missiles from North Korea. Have you ever heard of the term DENIAL?

Not a different dimension but certainly a different world. For some people DENIAL is a kind of victory. It allows them to not accept reality. When Hitler blew his brains out he was in DENIAL. Blowing his brains out was a victory for him.

There's an article out there from a Moscow professor who says that if the victory for Putin doesn't come soon there will be social tension in Russia. The guy makes perfect sense given what the Russian population is allowed to know and the propaganda they are served. This sounds exactly like the world of barbos, Russians on a righteous path, western hordes and weapons, our soldiers fighting bravely to defend us from the NATO hordes. It's all DENIAL and their false victory. Don't expect the rhetoric to change soon. It will eventually, but not for a while. Meanwhile barbos will find victory in denial.

 

[Harry Bosch]

the capital of the great country of Ukraine is Kyiv. Not Kiev.

Irony here is that english speakers can't really pronounce "Kyiv". So stick with Kiev.

Still no answer to my question.

Oh, it's not hard at all. In English, it's just pronounced "Keev". Here's a good description:



What is your question?

 

[Ford]

Russia’s Defense Ministry announced Saturday that it was “regrouping” its forces in the eastern Kharkiv region of Ukraine following Kyiv’s claims its troops had made sweeping gains in the territory held for months by Russia’s army.

“To achieve the goals of the special military operation to liberate Donbas, a decision was made to regroup Russian troops stationed in the Balakliya and Izyum regions, to bolster efforts along the Donetsk front,” the defense ministry said in a statement.

Voice of America

They're not retreating! They're advancing in the opposite direction...

View attachment 40199

Everything is going according to Putler's plan!

We have our own Baghdad Bob right here, performing the same task. Hilariously trying to defend a brutal dictator as things fall apart.

Difference being that Baghdad Barbos figured Ukraine's military would last as long as Saddam's. Six months later, it is Russia's military that's losing. Not only has the vaunted Russian army been revealed as ill prepared, ill equipped, and incompetent, but Russia drastically underestimated the response to their "special military operation." NATO is united in a way that wasn't even on the table a year ago. While they've managed to stave off the most serious effects of sanctions in the short term, Russia faces decades of hurt for an "operation" that was supposed to last a long weekend and lead to billions of rubles in riches. Russia was never about "liberating" anything but natural resources and money from exports coming from what they figured was going to be their new province.

Also, Europe is working fast and furious to detach itself from dependency on Russia's only real exports worth anything...oil and gas. That's going to hit the Russian people smack dab in the wallet for a long time to come.

I will give Putin one thing...he longed for the days when the USSR was able to mount a military incursion into another country. Unfortunately he's repeating their debacle in Afghanistan instead of what he imagined would be an easy return to "glorious Mother Russia."

 

[barbos]

Oh, it's not hard at all. In English, it's just pronounced "Keev". Here's a good description:

That's because you can't pronounce "Kyiv".

What is your question?

Go back and look.

 

[barbos]

We have our own Baghdad Bob right here, performing the same task. Hilariously trying to defend a brutal dictator as things fall apart.

It's Kiev Bob. Ukrainian regime has said exactly nothing about Kherson fiasco.
Russian news, on the other hand, reported extensively on retreat near Kharkov.

I myself on record expressing my disappointment with that retreat. But it's not that big of a deal compared to Kherson fiasco Ukrainian regime and lying western Media are trying to hide.

People here had been talking about great Ukrainian success near Kiev right until this happen. I bet you will keep talking about this new "success" next 6 months.

 

[Elixir]

Baghdad Barbos figured Ukraine's military would last as long as Saddam's. Six months later, it is Russia's military that's losing. Not only has the vaunted Russian army been revealed as ill prepared, ill equipped, and incompetent, but Russia drastically underestimated the response to their "special military operation." NATO is united in a way that wasn't even on the table a year ago. While they've managed to stave off the most serious effects of sanctions in the short term, Russia faces decades of hurt for an "operation" that was supposed to last a long weekend and lead to billions of rubles in riches. Russia was never about "liberating" anything but natural resources and money from exports coming from what they figured was going to be their new province.

That is exactly right.
A failed attempt at a glorified land grab.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.

They should just nuke the Kremlin then, and save us the trouble. Oh - and Putler’s resort mansions too.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Russia started off the invasion with equivalent of $670 billion in monetary reserves. $340 was in Western banks and is frozen. Ther burn rate has been large and Russia has been financing Pooty's special military operation with these funds. Russia will have spent the last of it with in about 12 to 18 months. Then it is crunch time. Russia can no longer borrow money, or get foreign investments. The clock is ticking.

 

[barbos]

Russia started off the invasion with equivalent of $670 billion in monetary reserves. $340 was in Western banks and is frozen. Ther burn rate has been large and Russia has been financing Pooty's special military operation with these funds. Russia will have spent the last of it with in about 12 to 18 months. Then it is crunch time. Russia can no longer borrow money, or get foreign investments. The clock is ticking.

OK, what about Ukraine finances?
And EU, don't forget EU, Germany especially.
Last time I checked, EU critters were complaining that Russia actually earns more because of gas prices, not less.

Your whole damn idea behind this war you started was to sanction Russia to death.
It has not happened and it's not going to any time soon. Your own eggheads are now writing theses about it now. It utterly failed.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream.

I don't care about your predictions. Putin will do mobilization and nuke the Kiev if necessary but Russia is not going to lose this war with NATO.

My prediction is less drastic, Russia will freeze EU into submission. I mean, this seems to be the current plan.

You still has not answered my question.

Nuking Kyiv would be mass murder. Genocide. Do you think the world would accept that and go back to business as usual with Russia?

 

[barbos]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream.

I don't care about your predictions. Putin will do mobilization and nuke the Kiev if necessary but Russia is not going to lose this war with NATO.

My prediction is less drastic, Russia will freeze EU into submission. I mean, this seems to be the current plan.

You still has not answered my question.

Nuking Kyiv would be mass murder. Genocide. Do you think the world would accept that and go back to business as usual with Russia?

Well, the world accepted NATO shelling Russian Nuclear power plant. So we are slowly moving toward accepting unacceptable.

 

[Elixir]

this war you started

Eh? The war that the United States started by amassing over a hundred thousand Russian troops on its neighbor’s doorstep while Baghdad Barbie proclaimed “there will be no invasion”? We caused it by predicting exactly what Putler did?
Poor BB.

OK, what about Ukraine finances?

You mean”the rest of the world finances”.
We will be fine. You probably think Russia is the Alpha and the Omega of world finance. Nowhere nearly true, and getting less so by the day as we replace the little that Russia used to contribute. And the world supports Ukraine over Putler’s imperial ambitions.

The Russia you wish for is rapidly fading from possibility. It fades more with every hospital bombed, every civilian murdered in cold blood and every oligarch that falls out a window. Russia is eating itself alive. Whether it survives at all will depend on how long Pootey lives, unless he comes to grips before then (which is a closing window as well).

Well, the world accepted NATO shelling Russian Nuclear power plant

The world accepted that NATO did not shell any nuclear power plants because that’s the truth. As usual you are repeating lies that no informed westerner is going to give more than a laugh about.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia will have negotiate to keep Crimea, if they are lucky.

Russia will nuke Kiev if necessary to keep Crimea.
No negotiations.
And again, recent retreat is not as significant as CNN says. In fact it's probably good thing for Russia and bad for Ukraine in the long run.

I predict that Russia will probably retain Crimea. But that it's soldiers will eventually evacuate to pre-Feb 28 positions. But Ukraine will once again cut off the water to Crimea. No land bridge. Just my prediction. But you'll have a heavily armed and angry Ukraine on your border; and a much stronger and united NATO; and no Nord stream.

I don't care about your predictions. Putin will do mobilization and nuke the Kiev if necessary but Russia is not going to lose this war with NATO.

My prediction is less drastic, Russia will freeze EU into submission. I mean, this seems to be the current plan.

You still has not answered my question.

Nuking Kyiv would be mass murder. Genocide. Do you think the world would accept that and go back to business as usual with Russia?

Well, the world accepted NATO shelling Russian Nuclear power plant. So we are slowly moving toward accepting unacceptable.

Oh gosh! This is getting embarrassing having to correct you. But the nuclear plant that is being bombed by someone is Zaporizhzhia. And it actually belongs to Ukraine. Your side temporarily took it over. But quite honestly, your guys aren't running it well. Dangerous situation. I'd recommend sticking with gas and oil. Managing nuclear power plants is much more complex.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia started off the invasion with equivalent of $670 billion in monetary reserves. $340 was in Western banks and is frozen. Ther burn rate has been large and Russia has been financing Pooty's special military operation with these funds. Russia will have spent the last of it with in about 12 to 18 months. Then it is crunch time. Russia can no longer borrow money, or get foreign investments. The clock is ticking.

OK, what about Ukraine finances?
And EU, don't forget EU, Germany especially.
Last time I checked, EU critters were complaining that Russia actually earns more because of gas prices, not less.

Your whole damn idea behind this war you started was to sanction Russia to death.
It has not happened and it's not going to any time soon. Your own eggheads are now writing theses about it now. It utterly failed.

Well, of course this war started on Feb 28, 2022 when Russian forces invaded Ukraine. However, I'm very curious, why is it so important as to who started the war? To me, it's far more important to try to find a way to just end it. Keep sending in the weapons to Ukraine. Help train their soldiers. Help and encourage them anyway we can. And then once the war is over, help Ukraine rebuild and rearm. Help make them stronger. A stronger Ukraine will encourage Russia to seek other victims to bully. Am I offbase?