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By that time Ukraine will be Russia again.
Also, you forgot about China. They are not interested in having NATO on their land border.
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Also, you forgot about China. They are not interested in having NATO on their land border.
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Not all the grain of course. But nothing would have stopped him from doing this during the grain deal:
Putin promises free grain to six African nations after collapse of Black Sea deal
President says Russia will replace blocked Ukrainian exports after it abandoned pact on passage of ships
As for fertilizers, their exports have been allowed since the beginning. What Russia wants though is their banks into SWIFT so that they can bypass other sanctions, and the fertilizer or food shipments are just a pretext. There are ways to arrange for legitimate payments and they've been working quite well.
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It was effectively banned.
Don't care. SWIFT was a part of the deal with UN, period.
As for sanctions, they are ALL illegal, every single one of them. They were not sanctioned by UN.
2003 NATO invasion into Iraq was also illegal, same with NATO invasion into Yugoslavia.
Russian Funds arrest - illegal. Everything your criminal governments does is illegal.
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Pretty big words from someone who was utterly debunked here. Your only "evidence" was that it looked like there was a missing frame in the video, and even that turned out to be a video conversion/compression artifact. Of course "there can't be any questions about that" to you because you couldn't answer any of the questions, such as how an alleged mine on street level could blow a hole in the roof of the building, or how the people who allegedly faked the video someone forgot to add the missile into a single frame.
So you ran away from the debate and lost by default. Feel free to reopen the discussion, if you think you have more evidence to support your claim that Russia, that has been pounding Kharkiv hundreds of times with missiles and artillery, somehow wasn't responsible this one time. But I know you won't do that, because you have no evidence, and unlike the rest of us, you could go to jail for up to 15 years if you admit publicly that you were wrong.
I don't want to put you in jail, so let's just agree that if you say nothing, it'll count as a conceding and I won't bring it up again if you won't.
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Another one with reading comprehension problems. No, there is no Russian interest in resuming it. And there have never been any blokade.
Russian plan is to destroy any ukrainian port which ships grain. Nazis are free to ship it by train, or even by Black Sea, it's just they would have to do it manually
Yes, nazis are free to ship it by train. they lost their right to ship by Black Sea becasue they used it to conduct terrorist attacks.
Plus of course, russian part of the deal have never been implemented.
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I don't remember that, please remind me how come rocket is missing on some of the frames.
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Yeah. It's a dreadful slur to suggest that Peter Sutcliffe killed women at random, too. He very thoughtfully only killed women he thought were prostitutes (although he was often wrong, which tends to happen when you're batshit crazy).
Admitting that Russia is committing war crimes, in response to an accusation that they are making random attacks, isn't the brilliant defence of their moral superiority you appear to believe it to be.
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What happened to Biden? He looks ..... better than usual.
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Russia as opposed to NATO have never committed war crimes. All targets were military targets.
Ports are military targets regardless. And Ukraine did use them for terrorist attacks on purely civilian infrastructure. Yes, Russia have never used that bridge for weapons transport.
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Sure. But you can watch Biden(s).
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No. Russia is sending missiles all over Ukraine to this day to terrorizr Ukraine into surrendering. Including Kyiv, many miles from Russian borders. Lira made up lies about Zelensky because that is the sort of liar Lira is.
Yet, polls of Ukrainians show 70% of Ukrainians do not want to surrender to Russia.
Hitler's blitz, V-1s, and V-2's did not convince Britain to surrender to Germany. The horrific sieges and destruction of Leningrad, Stalingrad and Operation Barbarosa did not make Russia surrender to Hitler. RAF and USAAF bombings of Germany did not make Germany sue for peace. Terrorist war crimes such as Putin is inflicting on Ukraine will not work any better. And that is what is happening in Ukraine. Because that is all Pootie has left. Mass murder and terrorism. Face facts. Russia's Putin is going to become a figure like Hitler, Mussolini, or Tojo, a historical figure future generations will revile. And Russians who support him now will be reviled like we hate Nazis and Fascists.
Pootie's invasion failed. He is now riding the tiger and it is hard to get off.
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Here is the full text of the agreement:
Absolutely nothing there about SWIFT, or Russian banks, or anything of the sort. And US wasn't party to the deal, so UN could not have made any promises about SWIFT, and Russia knew that as well as anyone. So whining now that the deal is broken because Putin couldn't get something out of the deal that was never there to begin with is complete nonsense.
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Yes, Lira is an asshat. He gained lots of fans as Coach Red Pill. Coaching young men on the art of seducing women. How to spot vulnerable women, and pressuring them into sex, et al. He has a reputation of being manipulative and rather scummy. His politics are simple here. Surrender to Putin. Early on, he was predicting RUssia's invasion would quickly defeat Ukraine. Obviously that didn't happen. He lacks good judgement. One thing has has done in the past was take photos of Ukrainian soldiers and posting them without permission. And could not see why that could possibly be objectionable or cause unwanted FSB attention. In a war zone. In a city, Kharkiv, under military government.
In almost any war zone, like Ukraine, publically peddling defeatism is not legal. Lira fucked around and found out.
In almost any war zone, like Ukraine, publically peddling defeatism is not legal. Lira fucked around and found out.
barbos
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......
And Danube's port was ..... destroyed.
And Danube's port was ..... destroyed.
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Don't fucking care. UN promised resuming fertilizer's trade. It was not resumed because of SWIFT and probably other shit US does (US cut off ammonium pipeline, etc)
Russia left the deal, end of story.
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No, Nuland is asshat. You were supposed to have freedom of the speech.
barbos
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State Department asshats were predicting the same thing.
barbos
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He was not ukrainian, he did not speak ukrainian. His listeners almost certainly were not Ukrainians. And ukrainian KGB could have simply deported him if they did not like him. Instead they arrested and charged with shit he did not really do actually.