How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[TV and credit cards]

Biden Arms Greece So Greece Arms Ukraine. Republicans Can’t Stop It. - Jan 30, 2024, 09:45pm EST - "‘Excess defense articles’ is a powerful authority"

As the Republican Party’s blockade of aid to Ukraine drags into its fourth month, the U.S. government under Pres. Joe Biden has found a clever new way to give Ukraine’s forces the weapons and ammunition they need to defend their country.

It is, in essence, an American version of Germany’s circular weapons trade—the so-called Ringtausch. The United States is gifting older surplus weapons to Greece with the understanding that Greece donates to Ukraine some of its own surplus weapons.

Here’s How Ukraine Could Get Another Two Dozen Leopard 2 Tanks - Nov 23, 2023, 02:04am EST - "Switzerland, Germany, Poland and a circular transfer of tanks"

In six months of hard fighting as part of their long-planned southern counteroffensive, Ukrainian brigades have lost at least a dozen of the 71 German-designed Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine so far has received from its foreign allies.

But now it’s looking likelier Ukraine will more than make good its Leopard 2 losses in 2024. It actually stands a decent chance of significantly growing the fleet. All thanks to Swiss meticulousness, and some patient diplomacy by German officials in Switzerland.

Excess defense articles provided to partner nation at a reduced price (based on the condition of the equipment) or as a grant.

So Biden could just give stuff away.
And the Republicans will try and impeach him for it.

 

[steve_bank]

Trump got elected because he figured out the right cultural, religious, and political buttons to push. He is an instinctive manipulator. Aided by conservative media. Hilary Clinton did nor run a good campaign..

Putin is the same.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Trump got elected because he figured out the right cultural, religious, and political buttons to push. He is an instinctive manipulator. Aided by conservative media. Hilary Clinton did nor run a good campaign..

Putin is the same.

Voting is a bit like taking an exam. Not every answer is a good answer or even the right answer. Unfortunately, when it comes to voting for President in the U.S. if enough people choose the wrong answer that becomes the right answer, even if more people chose the actual right answer. That's why Hillary lost, and not because she was the wrong answer.

 

[bilby]

you did occupy Ukraine without actual military invasion

In English, we would say "you didn't occupy Ukraine".

An occupation implies an actual military invasion.

 

[scombrid]

Trump got elected because he figured out the right cultural, religious, and political buttons to push. He is an instinctive manipulator. Aided by conservative media. Hilary Clinton did nor run a good campaign..

Putin is the same.

He was assisted by all corporate media. Guarantee that the handful of conglomerates that control most media and capital prefer Trump to Clinton or even worse an Elizabeth Warren. NBC reinvented that Orange shit stain.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Centre-right's Stubb wins close-fought Finnish presidential election

In an interview with Reuters last month, Stubb said there would be no Russian pillar in Finland's foreign policy for now:
"Politically, there will be no relations with the president of Russia or with the Russian political leadership until they stop the war in Ukraine."
Stubb is in favour of deep NATO cooperation, such as allowing the transport of nuclear weapons across Finnish soil and placing some NATO troops permanently in Finland. He does not support storing nuclear weapons in Finland, however.

Looks like Vlad ain't got a friend in him.

Finland's new president sees no limit to NATO ties, Ukraine support

 

[steve_bank]

Trump got elected because he figured out the right cultural, religious, and political buttons to push. He is an instinctive manipulator. Aided by conservative media. Hilary Clinton did nor run a good campaign..

Putin is the same.

Voting is a bit like taking an exam. Not every answer is a good answer or even the right answer. Unfortunately, when it comes to voting for President in the U.S. if enough people choose the wrong answer that becomes the right answer, even if more people chose the actual right answer. That's why Hillary lost, and not because she was the wrong answer.

The founders did not want the president to be elected by popular vote. Trump the obvious reason.

I never understood what her platform was. She looked intimidated by Trump in debates. The incident when Trump was walking around behind her.

Bernie Sanders did not help.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump got elected because he figured out the right cultural, religious, and political buttons to push. He is an instinctive manipulator. Aided by conservative media. Hilary Clinton did nor run a good campaign..

Putin is the same.

Voting is a bit like taking an exam. Not every answer is a good answer or even the right answer. Unfortunately, when it comes to voting for President in the U.S. if enough people choose the wrong answer that becomes the right answer, even if more people chose the actual right answer. That's why Hillary lost, and not because she was the wrong answer.

The founders did not want the president to be elected by popular vote. Trump the obvious reason.

I never understood what her platform was. She looked intimidated by Trump in debates. The incident when Trump was walking around behind her.

Bernie Sanders did not help.

Trump has never won a popular vote. The electoral college is a failure.

 

[barbos]

An occupation implies an actual military invasion.

Hegemon rarely does that. Other methods are much more effective.

 

[bilby]

An occupation implies an actual military invasion.

Hegemon rarely does that. Other methods are much more effective.

"Other methods" than an occupation would be "not an occupation".

So, you accept that you were incorrect to say "you did occupy Ukraine without actual military invasion".

Good to know.

 

[barbos]

An occupation implies an actual military invasion.

Hegemon rarely does that. Other methods are much more effective.

"Other methods" than an occupation would be "not an occupation".

End result is the same.

So, you accept that you were incorrect to say "you did occupy Ukraine without actual military invasion".

Good to know.

No, I do not accept that. I insist that you occupied Ukraine and .... Russia.
Albeit using nazi regime in Ukraine.

 

[bilby]

No, I do not accept that. I insist that you occupied Ukraine and .... Russia.

I assure you that I have never as much as visited either country.

And there hasn't been a nazi regime in Ukraine since 1944.

 

[barbos]

No, I do not accept that. I insist that you occupied Ukraine and .... Russia.

I assure you that I have never as much as visited either country.

Maybe you should.

And there hasn't been a nazi regime in Ukraine since 1944.

How do you know that?

 

[Harry Bosch]

No, I do not accept that. I insist that you occupied Ukraine and .... Russia.

I assure you that I have never as much as visited either country.

Maybe you should.

And there hasn't been a nazi regime in Ukraine since 1944.

How do you know that?

You're the one making the claim. Back it up buttercup. So far the only evidence that I've heard from you that Ukrainians are Nazis is that there is a street sign named after a nazi collaborator from WW2. One street sign. You got more than that?

 

[barbos]

One street sign

One? Where did I say it was one?
Sorry man, these people have been busy renaming streets, giving titles to nazis, inviting nazis to parliament since 2005.

 

[Harry Bosch]

One street sign

One? Where did I say it was one?
Sorry man, these people have been busy renaming streets, giving titles to nazis, inviting nazis to parliament since 2005.

What is your proof?

 

[barbos]

One street sign

One? Where did I say it was one?
Sorry man, these people have been busy renaming streets, giving titles to nazis, inviting nazis to parliament since 2005.

What is your proof?

US Congress documents where they express their worry that US money go nazis?

 

[Elixir]

What is your proof?

Somewhere in here I believe...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Biden Arms Greece So Greece Arms Ukraine. Republicans Can’t Stop It. - Jan 30, 2024, 09:45pm EST - "‘Excess defense articles’ is a powerful authority"

As the Republican Party’s blockade of aid to Ukraine drags into its fourth month, the U.S. government under Pres. Joe Biden has found a clever new way to give Ukraine’s forces the weapons and ammunition they need to defend their country.

It is, in essence, an American version of Germany’s circular weapons trade—the so-called Ringtausch. The United States is gifting older surplus weapons to Greece with the understanding that Greece donates to Ukraine some of its own surplus weapons.

Here’s How Ukraine Could Get Another Two Dozen Leopard 2 Tanks - Nov 23, 2023, 02:04am EST - "Switzerland, Germany, Poland and a circular transfer of tanks"

In six months of hard fighting as part of their long-planned southern counteroffensive, Ukrainian brigades have lost at least a dozen of the 71 German-designed Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine so far has received from its foreign allies.

But now it’s looking likelier Ukraine will more than make good its Leopard 2 losses in 2024. It actually stands a decent chance of significantly growing the fleet. All thanks to Swiss meticulousness, and some patient diplomacy by German officials in Switzerland.

Excess defense articles provided to partner nation at a reduced price (based on the condition of the equipment) or as a grant.

So Biden could just give stuff away.
And the Republicans will try and impeach him for it.

Hey... remember when Trump fudged the paperwork and shifted Pentagon money to pay for wall? Well turns out the Executive Branch under a Democrat also has a level of discretion.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Biden Arms Greece So Greece Arms Ukraine. Republicans Can’t Stop It. - Jan 30, 2024, 09:45pm EST - "‘Excess defense articles’ is a powerful authority"

As the Republican Party’s blockade of aid to Ukraine drags into its fourth month, the U.S. government under Pres. Joe Biden has found a clever new way to give Ukraine’s forces the weapons and ammunition they need to defend their country.

It is, in essence, an American version of Germany’s circular weapons trade—the so-called Ringtausch. The United States is gifting older surplus weapons to Greece with the understanding that Greece donates to Ukraine some of its own surplus weapons.

Here’s How Ukraine Could Get Another Two Dozen Leopard 2 Tanks - Nov 23, 2023, 02:04am EST - "Switzerland, Germany, Poland and a circular transfer of tanks"

In six months of hard fighting as part of their long-planned southern counteroffensive, Ukrainian brigades have lost at least a dozen of the 71 German-designed Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine so far has received from its foreign allies.

But now it’s looking likelier Ukraine will more than make good its Leopard 2 losses in 2024. It actually stands a decent chance of significantly growing the fleet. All thanks to Swiss meticulousness, and some patient diplomacy by German officials in Switzerland.

Excess defense articles provided to partner nation at a reduced price (based on the condition of the equipment) or as a grant.

So Biden could just give stuff away.
And the Republicans will try and impeach him for it.

Hey... remember when Trump fudged the paperwork and shifted Pentagon money to pay for wall? Well turns out the Executive Branch under a Democrat also has a level of discretion.

And I hope Biden is exercising it vigorously.
Press Releases Major Arms Sales
The Netherlands – Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles with Extended Range
The JASSM may be carried by a wide range of aircraft including the F-16
The Netherlands scrapped plans to sell six F-16 fighter jets to a U.S. company and will prepare the planes for delivery to Ukraine instead, according to the Dutch Defence Ministry. The agreement increases the number of Dutch aircraft that will be handed over to the embattled country to 24, it said.
Hopefully these JASSM-ERs with a 925km range will be tucked up under the F-16s going to Ukraine. All NATO should by now see the futility of Ukraine slogging out a ground war with an enemy that has no regard for its own citizenry. Russia's means of production must be targeted even if not officially sanctioned by the US.