T.G.G. Moogly
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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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T.G.G. Moogly
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I'm curious too. Has barbos ever said? Is there a way to know using his IP address?
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Yes, and I'm not telling.
T.G.G. Moogly
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Fair enough.
steve_bank
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I thought he said Siberia.
Trump was known to make phone calls giving a fake name and promoting Trump, maybe Barbos is Putin.
Trump was known to make phone calls giving a fake name and promoting Trump, maybe Barbos is Putin.
Elixir
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Maybe he’s Trump.
Who cares? I tend to lump people together whose facts are … to use a KA Conway expression, alternate.
It’s probably the fluidity, the ability to say anything with a straight face, regardless of the existence of easily observable belying evidence. Not everyone can do that!
barbos
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Rafi Cohen disagrees.
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Most of the world disagrees with you.
barbos
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Who said it was?
barbos
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That's patently false. Most of the world is with Russia
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steve_bank
Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Putin's world.
Iran
China
North Korea
Cuba
Venezuela
and a few other oppressive states
Quality relationships.
It must be humiliating for Putin to beg for help from Iran, North Korea, and China. Wealthy upscale China a global power helping poor Russia down on its luck.
China probably views Putin as a convenient tool for their propaganda.
Iran
China
North Korea
Cuba
Venezuela
and a few other oppressive states
Quality relationships.
It must be humiliating for Putin to beg for help from Iran, North Korea, and China. Wealthy upscale China a global power helping poor Russia down on its luck.
China probably views Putin as a convenient tool for their propaganda.
barbos
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You forgot India (largest Democracy in the world), Brasil, Vietnam, whole Africa and the whole ME (except Israel). Slovakia, Hungary, Austria.
Czech Republic does not really support Ukraine, regime, US machinated into power, does but people don't. US tried ro do the same in Slovakia and failed. Same with Hungary, attempts to "democratically" overthrow Orban failed.
I really doubt that Bulgaria support your war on Russia. I can believe you have Poland and to some extent Baltic States.
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steve_bank
Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
Poor Vladimir, he thought he would conquer Ukraine and rule over a new Russian empire.
It is a Shakespearean tragedy;
'Some drones some drones!! My kingdom for a drone!'
It is a Shakespearean tragedy;
'Some drones some drones!! My kingdom for a drone!'
steve_bank
Diabetic retinopathy and poor eyesight. Typos ...
None of them really democracies. Are they sending troops to Russia or are they paying lip service to Putin who they fear?
That is it exactly. Liberal democratic freedoms and rule of law versus dictatorship and oppressive governed control of people. No argument with that.
Hungary is slipping from democracy. Hungary is playing both sides.
A few formerr Soviet client states not supporting Ukraine is meninges.
What has meaning is that it has been 2 1/2 years and Russia is still fighting.
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barbos
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Slovakia/India/Austria/Hungary/Brasil are not democracies?
They are way more democratic than US.
But I am glad you admitted that North Korea, China, Iran Venezuela are democracies.
Henry-Finland
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A nation that makes new invention on the run:
Today there are a lot of updates from the Kharkiv direction. The most interesting updates come from the area of Vovchansk. Here, after successfully driving Russians out of their bridgehead to the south, the Ukrainians amplified their operations by deploying the newest ground drones equipped with powerful hydrogen bombs, erasing the Russian positions. The Russian forces in Vovchansk failed in their offensive to advance south of the town, suffering severe losses that forced them to retreat north of the Vovcha River.
This setback effectively put the Russians on the defensive, with a limited number of troops holding positions primarily at the Aggregate Plant. In theory, the combination of the plant and the river should have provided strong defensive positions. However, the Ukrainians managed to identify several key vulnerabilities. To advance further into the northern part of Vovchansk, the Ukrainians had to exploit these vulnerabilities to compromise the Russian defenses at the Aggregate Plant.
The plant provides the Russian fighters with a highly elevated position that overlooks most of the town. By suppressing Russian forces at the Aggregate Plant, the Ukrainian fighters could advance along Sobornaya Street with reduced resistance. This suppression would enable them to link up with troops advancing from Haharina and Shevchenko Streets, effectively cutting off the Russian stronghold at the Aggregate Plant once again.
Suppressing the Russian positions at the plant was a challenging task for the Ukrainian fighters.
Previous guided bomb strikes on the plant by the Ukrainian Air Force were no longer possible due to a shortage of foreign military aid. Regular aerial drones also had limited effectiveness due to their small explosive charges.For this reason, Ukrainian fighters in the area had to improvise using a highly innovative method to successfully destroy the Russian firing positions at the plant. They salvaged parts from wrecked civilian electric cars, primarily from abroad, to create drones and bombs. Batteries and alternators from electric vehicles like Teslas were repurposed as power sources for drones, helping to sustain the Ukrainian drone force.
This resourceful approach enabled them to overcome the limitations imposed by the shortage of foreign military aid and maintain pressure on the Russian positions. Given the circumstances of the battle of Vovchansk and the disruption of operations by Russian electronic warfare systems, the Ukrainians had to adopt a different approach. They decided to use spare parts from wrecked electric vehicles to create an innovative bomb. This bomb was built using a fully loaded hydrogen canister from a wrecked Toyota Mirai car and weighed over two hundred kilograms. It was capable of inflicting severe damage on Russian defenses, comparable to an aerial bomb.
The hydrogen composition of the bomb enabled it to generate powerful blast waves, fireballs, debris, and mushroom clouds. Since drones were compromised by electronic warfare and the bomb was too heavy for aerial drone delivery, the Ukrainians opted to use a remotely operated ground drone to transport the bomb to the Russian positions. The ground drone carrying the bomb was sent over a narrow, intact section of a partially destroyed bridge along Metalista Street, just wide enough for the drone to traverse. The bridge's location to the east of the Aggregate Plant, coupled with the nearby trees that blocked the Russians' view, prevented the drone from being detected.
After crossing the bridge, the drone moved towards the first building to the west within the Aggregate Plant complex. As the drone approached the building, the bomb detonated, resulting in a powerful explosion that caused significant structural damage. The blast was followed by a fire, suggesting that the Russians may have been storing ammunition in the building, which likely contributed to the intensity of the explosion.
The original, uncensored combat footage of this incredible operation can be found on our Telegram channel through the link in the description.
Moreover, this building was the sole Russian firing position that defended the eastern part of the Aggregate Plant from Ukrainian assaults. The powerful bomb detonation forced the Russian troops to abandon the building due to the extensive damage and fires, leaving it in a contested state.
This strike compelled Russian forces in the area to shift their focus to the building, anticipating a potential Ukrainian assault to capture it. The Russian command was aware that if the Ukrainians seized the abandoned position, they could station dozens, if not up to a hundred,
troops inside. This would enable the Ukrainians to use the building as a staging ground for further assaults on the Aggregate Plant, a crucial position that the Russians were determined to protect at all costs.
While the Russian forces were distracted at the Aggregate Plant, the redeployment of troops left a gap along Sobornaya Street. Ukrainian fighters swiftly exploited this vulnerability, seizing control of undefended sections of the street.
This oversight further strained the Russian logistical situation, as they lost control of a key supply route to their main force.
Although Russian troops could still move through houses connecting small sections of Shevchenkova and Haharina Streets under their control, this situation could lead to the further collapse of their positions, potentially resulting in their eventual expulsion from Vovchansk.
Overall, the Ukrainians managed to make a gap in Russian defenses by decimating their positions with powerful bomb detonation that managed to set in motion a broader operation to retake the town. In recognition of the recent achievements by Ukrainian fighters in the area, President Zelensky and members of the Ukrainian High Command visited Vovchansk. The President personally awarded distinguished Ukrainian fighters with state honors and expressed his gratitude for their successful and professional execution of combat missions.
Today there are a lot of updates from the Kharkiv direction. The most interesting updates come from the area of Vovchansk. Here, after successfully driving Russians out of their bridgehead to the south, the Ukrainians amplified their operations by deploying the newest ground drones equipped with powerful hydrogen bombs, erasing the Russian positions. The Russian forces in Vovchansk failed in their offensive to advance south of the town, suffering severe losses that forced them to retreat north of the Vovcha River.
This setback effectively put the Russians on the defensive, with a limited number of troops holding positions primarily at the Aggregate Plant. In theory, the combination of the plant and the river should have provided strong defensive positions. However, the Ukrainians managed to identify several key vulnerabilities. To advance further into the northern part of Vovchansk, the Ukrainians had to exploit these vulnerabilities to compromise the Russian defenses at the Aggregate Plant.
The plant provides the Russian fighters with a highly elevated position that overlooks most of the town. By suppressing Russian forces at the Aggregate Plant, the Ukrainian fighters could advance along Sobornaya Street with reduced resistance. This suppression would enable them to link up with troops advancing from Haharina and Shevchenko Streets, effectively cutting off the Russian stronghold at the Aggregate Plant once again.
Suppressing the Russian positions at the plant was a challenging task for the Ukrainian fighters.
Previous guided bomb strikes on the plant by the Ukrainian Air Force were no longer possible due to a shortage of foreign military aid. Regular aerial drones also had limited effectiveness due to their small explosive charges.For this reason, Ukrainian fighters in the area had to improvise using a highly innovative method to successfully destroy the Russian firing positions at the plant. They salvaged parts from wrecked civilian electric cars, primarily from abroad, to create drones and bombs. Batteries and alternators from electric vehicles like Teslas were repurposed as power sources for drones, helping to sustain the Ukrainian drone force.
This resourceful approach enabled them to overcome the limitations imposed by the shortage of foreign military aid and maintain pressure on the Russian positions. Given the circumstances of the battle of Vovchansk and the disruption of operations by Russian electronic warfare systems, the Ukrainians had to adopt a different approach. They decided to use spare parts from wrecked electric vehicles to create an innovative bomb. This bomb was built using a fully loaded hydrogen canister from a wrecked Toyota Mirai car and weighed over two hundred kilograms. It was capable of inflicting severe damage on Russian defenses, comparable to an aerial bomb.
The hydrogen composition of the bomb enabled it to generate powerful blast waves, fireballs, debris, and mushroom clouds. Since drones were compromised by electronic warfare and the bomb was too heavy for aerial drone delivery, the Ukrainians opted to use a remotely operated ground drone to transport the bomb to the Russian positions. The ground drone carrying the bomb was sent over a narrow, intact section of a partially destroyed bridge along Metalista Street, just wide enough for the drone to traverse. The bridge's location to the east of the Aggregate Plant, coupled with the nearby trees that blocked the Russians' view, prevented the drone from being detected.
After crossing the bridge, the drone moved towards the first building to the west within the Aggregate Plant complex. As the drone approached the building, the bomb detonated, resulting in a powerful explosion that caused significant structural damage. The blast was followed by a fire, suggesting that the Russians may have been storing ammunition in the building, which likely contributed to the intensity of the explosion.
The original, uncensored combat footage of this incredible operation can be found on our Telegram channel through the link in the description.
Moreover, this building was the sole Russian firing position that defended the eastern part of the Aggregate Plant from Ukrainian assaults. The powerful bomb detonation forced the Russian troops to abandon the building due to the extensive damage and fires, leaving it in a contested state.
This strike compelled Russian forces in the area to shift their focus to the building, anticipating a potential Ukrainian assault to capture it. The Russian command was aware that if the Ukrainians seized the abandoned position, they could station dozens, if not up to a hundred,
troops inside. This would enable the Ukrainians to use the building as a staging ground for further assaults on the Aggregate Plant, a crucial position that the Russians were determined to protect at all costs.
While the Russian forces were distracted at the Aggregate Plant, the redeployment of troops left a gap along Sobornaya Street. Ukrainian fighters swiftly exploited this vulnerability, seizing control of undefended sections of the street.
This oversight further strained the Russian logistical situation, as they lost control of a key supply route to their main force.
Although Russian troops could still move through houses connecting small sections of Shevchenkova and Haharina Streets under their control, this situation could lead to the further collapse of their positions, potentially resulting in their eventual expulsion from Vovchansk.
Overall, the Ukrainians managed to make a gap in Russian defenses by decimating their positions with powerful bomb detonation that managed to set in motion a broader operation to retake the town. In recognition of the recent achievements by Ukrainian fighters in the area, President Zelensky and members of the Ukrainian High Command visited Vovchansk. The President personally awarded distinguished Ukrainian fighters with state honors and expressed his gratitude for their successful and professional execution of combat missions.
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Henry-Finland
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Here's a fun little fact: Shakespeare made a joke in the original play that doesn't quite work in modern English:
"A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"
The joke is that, in spoken English of that time, the letter 's' in the word 'horse' was nearly silent.
barbos
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Care to provide a proof?
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I seriously doubt that the Ukrainians have any hydrogen bombs (since 1994, when they disarmed in accordance with the Budapest Memorandum), and if they did, they definitely wouldn't use them as tactical weapons.
The weapon in question was an unmanned vehicle-mounted bomb that used a hydrogen mixture with air as a chemical explosive; A "hydrogen bomb", by contrast, is a nuclear fusion device.