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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Thought here: Are the reports of Ukrainian forces in Russia a case of doing an end run around the defenses?
I don't think so. I'm honestly confused by this. It may be they are trying to draw strength away from other sectors or maybe they just want to thumb their nose at the invaders and Adolph. Or maybe they just want to get a reaction, particularly from the air, gather some intel, test their defenses. Two years ago I would have suspected the end run you suggest, but not today. This also may be a collaboration with partisans. Whatever the case I do hope it continues.
Russia (unlike terrorist regime in Kiev) have reserves, they don't need to shuffle men from one place to another to plug the holes everywhere.
Fun fact. There were cases where ukrainians would bring their hardcore well trained nazis to plug a hole, russians obviously see that and simply let them occupy whatever they were sent to occupy and then just wait until these nazis are rotated to plug the hole in other place replaced by untrained conscripts and these conscripts are then eliminated.

Recent ukrainian fiasco near forgot the name was a result of ukro-regime sending men defending the place to plug the hole somewhere else and replacing it with newly kidnapped men.
 
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Thought here: Are the reports of Ukrainian forces in Russia a case of doing an end run around the defenses?
I don't think so. I'm honestly confused by this. It may be they are trying to draw strength away from other sectors or maybe they just want to thumb their nose at the invaders and Adolph. Or maybe they just want to get a reaction, particularly from the air, gather some intel, test their defenses. Two years ago I would have suspected the end run you suggest, but not today. This also may be a collaboration with partisans. Whatever the case I do hope it continues.
Russia (unlike terrorist regime in Kiev) have reserves, they don't need to shuffle men from one place to another to plug the holes everywhere.
Fun fact. There were cases where ukrainians would bring their hardcore well trained nazis to plug a hole, russians obviously see that and simply let them occupy whatever they were sent to occupy and then just wait until these nazis are rotated to plug the hole in other place replaced by untrained conscripts and these conscripts are then eliminated.

Recent ukrainian fiasco near forgot the name was a result of ukro-regime sending men defending the place to plug the hole somewhere else and replacing it with newly kidnapped men.

barbos! It would be interesting, if you always would give links when you find such news.

This is the first time that Ukrainian forces have crossed the border.
Previous cross-border attacks were carried out by units of anti-Putin Russians. There are two of these units composed of Russians. I will try to gather more information about these units later.

This week's attack also includes Ukrainian army forces. Video bloggers are continuously gathering more information about this attack. Russians reported that there is 300 Ukrainian troops, and later, that number was one thousand. Ukrainian authorities have not yet commented on this matter.

The reason for this attack is not yet known. I believe it is multifaceted. On one hand, it forces Russia to move its troops to its border, but I personally think the reason is to destroy the Sudzha gas pipeline and its equipment. All the gas distributed to Western Europe passes through Sudzha.

Artur Rehi, an Estonian activist, tells about this:



I will tell more about him later.
 
That's retarded. Russian soldiers are not allowed to have cellphones while on active mission. Once they are rotated out they can use cellphones. The reason for this is ukro-terrorists use cell phone signal for locating targets. Typically, soldiers call relatives before mission and after. If they don't, that usually means they lost their lives fighting nazis.
One has to be retarded to believe anything that comes from ukro-nazi propaganda.
And Dancing Queen Sanna Marin is utterly corrupt cunt and trator of the Finland.

barbos wrote:
"That's retarded. Russian soldiers are not allowed to have cellphones while on active mission. Once they are rotated out they can use cellphones"

Rotated out? 90% of the meat-waves are usually killed. And there are no working cell phones left. They are nailed or screwed to some trees:
Transcription of the Jake Broe-video (page 830) :

"This is kind of a funny story but last month in Russia's Duma they officially banned cell phones in Russian military units. So Russian military command in the Kremlin doesn't want ordinary soldiers to have cell
phones because they take pictures and videos of Russians complaining or committing war crimes.
Russian commanders have been told to crack down on cell phone usage by ordinary Russians in the occupied
territories.
This Russian Commander decided to take away their phones and then screw them to this wooden board. A different Russian Commander has been taking phones and bolting them to a tree.
Here's a Russian soldier admiring the phones. Apparently they're taking away vape pens as well! And if a Russian soldier is caught with an iPhone it gets a special place of honor because apple is an American
company.
This is counterproductive and stupid.
Cell phones from ordinary soldiers are critical for keeping open lines of communication for working with drones and other equipment you might need on the front lines Ukraine has a serious technological advantage in that they're allowed to have their phones whereas ordinary Russian soldiers
They've never wanted this but now it's a criminal offense in the Russian military."

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The commanders orders the phones to be nailed.
They know that "dead meat" does not need any phones.
 
Today's write up in ISW states what is happening in Kursk is being heavily filtered for Russian consumption.

Where is Ukraine going with this? Right now it looks like a forlorn hope but we'll see. Perhaps the timing of this comes into play, that Ukraine knows Russian forces are nearly spent right now after their recent meat offensives. Just speculating.
Ukrainian forces have not done anything to disrupt the flow of gas to Europe at the Sudzha measuring station. The contract for this pipeline expires at the end of this year.
Gas pipelines
 
Bloomberg:
European Gas Rises to 2024 High on Ukraine Pipeline Concerns

- Russian military blog says Sudzha transit point seized
- Intake point sends Russian pipeline gas to Europe via Ukraine


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For the first time, Ukrainian army captured about 300 fighters on Russian territory​

Ukraine has launched a surprise ground assault into Russia with troops and armored vehicles, Russian officials and independent military analysts said. Russia said that up to 1,000 Ukrainian troops took part in the cross-border attack.
A lieutenant of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the call sign "Alex" said that during two days of fighting in the Kursk region, the Russian Federation managed to capture about 300 Russian soldiers. He wrote about this in his Telegram channel.
According to the military man, active military operations in the "Kursk People's Republic" were carried out by a contingent of unidentified armed formations.

"According to confirmed data, about 300 captured f*ggots were taken, I hope they will hand them over to us," noted Lieutenant "Alex". He explained that the occupiers have low motivation, they have no experience of combat. The Russians sat in the trenches where they were sent to "stick", without the desire to fight.
Let us recall that on August 7, four fighters of the Ukrainian Defense Forces captured more than 40 soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces during a "raid" on Kursk region. The day before, the Ukrainian Armed Forces captured 35 Russian soldiers on the border of the same region, who were supposed to prevent a breakthrough in this area.
A Russian military journalist and propagandist stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have advanced 25 kilometers into Russian territory. The fighting is taking place directly within the settlements of Korenevo and Sudzha in the Kursk region.


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New update from Denys Davydov:

Ukraine Strikes deeper into Ruzzian Territory! Z-Army kicked out​


 
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25 kilometers is a decent distance. Unless it's a general advance it won't last. The Ukrainians are up to something but no one really knows what at this point. I think they simply spotted a weakness and decided to exploit it and see what the Hitlerites do about it, then go from there. It does make the Putinistas look weak as they now have to explain how they cannot hold on to even their own territory. It's a big propaganda win at least.
 
25 kilometers is a decent distance. Unless it's a general advance it won't last. The Ukrainians are up to something but no one really knows what at this point. I think they simply spotted a weakness and decided to exploit it and see what the Hitlerites do about it, then go from there. It does make the Putinistas look weak as they now have to explain how they cannot hold on to even their own territory. It's a big propaganda win at least.

The Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat wrote (7-8.8.) - translated by ChatGTP:

Ukrainian forces have penetrated up to ten kilometers into Russian territory during battles in the Kursk region, reports the American think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW).
According to ISW's review, by Wednesday, Ukraine had reportedly taken control of approximately 45 square kilometers and eleven settlements in the Kursk region, according to Russian sources.

The Finnish war monitoring group Black Bird Group, on the other hand, estimated late Wednesday that Ukrainian forces had advanced at least 12 kilometers into Russian territory through two Russian defense lines, said group member Emil Kastehelmi on X (formerly Twitter).
"Russians appear to have descended into chaos" after less than two days of the Ukrainian offensive, Kastehelmi wrote.

A state of emergency has been declared in the Kursk region. At least five people are reported dead and dozens injured, according to Russian official sources cited by Reuters.
ISW reports that at one checkpoint, Ukrainian forces advancing with tanks and armored vehicles may have captured over 40 Russian soldiers. (August 7, 2024)

The Russian leadership appears to be confused by the Ukrainian offensive, which, according to the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, involves up to a thousand Ukrainian soldiers.
According to him, Russian forces have managed to stop the Ukrainian advance. Ukraine has remained silent about the ongoing offensive, with most of the information coming from Russian sources.

President Vladimir Putin briefly commented on the Ukrainian attack on Wednesday. He called it a "large-scale provocation," claiming that Ukraine had fired on civilian buildings and even ambulances. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs accused Ukraine of terrorism.
Russian opposition media Važnye Istorii reported on Wednesday that Ukrainian forces had captured the gas pumping station in the border town of Sudzha, through which Russia supplies gas to Europe via Ukraine.

Reports of the station's capture caused natural gas futures prices in Europe to rise significantly on Wednesday.

According to Russian military bloggers, Ukraine has not yet fully captured the town of Sudzha, but many are preparing for the possibility that it will happen.
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated on Thursday, according to Reuters, that Russia must aim to capture more territories in Ukraine, including the capital Kyiv, in response to the attack. According to him, Russia should not settle for the Ukrainian territories it has already seized and claims as its own.

Military experts have been somewhat puzzled as to why Ukraine launched such a broad attack on Russian soil, given the significant challenges it faces in defending its own territory against Russian assaults.
Of course, Ukraine cannot conquer all of Russia, and it is unclear why it should seek to capture and hold territories in Russia. Ukraine has previously attacked Russia, but the current offensive, considering the number of troops involved, seems to be an exceptional event in the war.

According to experts cited by the BBC, Ukraine may simply be trying to tie down more Russian forces on their own soil, which has at least partially succeeded. For example, fewer bombs have been dropped on the Donetsk region since Ukraine's surprise attack began.
According to Emil Kastehelmi, who maps the war using open sources, the rapid progress of the offensive indicates at least two Russian failures: Russian intelligence has not been up to the task, and the country has had too few troops protecting its border.

"[Ukraine's] true objectives are unclear. Ukraine may be trying to divert Russia's attention from other areas to Kursk. Ukraine may also be seeking a better position for future negotiations if the operation's goal is to seize and hold territory for an extended period," Kastehelmi speculated in his X thread.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated in his speech on Wednesday evening that putting pressure on Russia paves the way for peace.
"For a just peace through justified force," Zelensky said, according to the BBC.
Zelensky did not mention the attack on the Kursk region in his speech.
 
The Russian leadership appears to be confused by the Ukrainian offensive, which, according to the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, involves up to a thousand Ukrainian soldiers.
Confusion to the enemy seems to be the goal. It may also be that Ukraine is applying some new tactics and weaponry and wants to do some evaluation. At this point it's a propaganda win hands down. Exploiting weaknesses in enemy defenses is nothing new. Ukraine has lost a lot of territory since their offensive fizzled out and probably wants to even that out however it can. If it can take a big piece of Ruski territory and in the process reduce the infrastructure to rubble, same as Ruski Hitlerites have done in Ukraine, it definitely sends a message.
 
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The Russian leadership appears to be confused by the Ukrainian offensive, which, according to the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, involves up to a thousand Ukrainian soldiers.
Confusion to the enemy seems to be the goal. It may also be that Ukraine is applying some new tactics and weaponry and wants to do some evaluation. At this point it's a propaganda win hands down. Exploiting weaknesses in enemy defenses is nothing new. Ukraine has lost a lot of territory since their offensive fizzled out and probably wants to even that out however it can. If it can take a big piece of Ruski territory and in the process reduce the infrastructure to rubble as the Hitlerites have done in Ukraine it definitely sends a message.

Ukrainian forces need to draw Russian forces away from two key areas. Ukraine risks losing Toretsk in the Donetsk region, threatening a key supply route, T0504 road. Russian forces are also advancing toward Pokrovsk, a crucial logistics hub for Ukrainian forces.
 
The Russian Dude reveals:
'Swarm of AI Drones'. Crimean Bridge WILL FALL. Putin DACHA VULNERABLE
- Did you miss Sergei Shoigu? Because he strikes again during the inspection of Russian planes. Ukraine reveals 'Swarm of AI Drones' capable of extraordinary things. Naval drones, aerial drones, everything.
- Ukrainians target Crimean Bridge once again and promise that it will fall.
- Putin's several dachas were discovered. So they are very vulnerable right now.

0:00 Sergei Shoigu strikes again!
1:14 Ukrainian "Swarm of AI Drones'
3:20 "Crimean Bridge will fall!"
5:52 Putin's dachas are vulnerable

 
According to experts cited by the BBC, Ukraine may simply be trying to tie down more Russian forces on their own soil, which has at least partially succeeded. For example, fewer bombs have been dropped on the Donetsk region since Ukraine's surprise attack began.
According to Emil Kastehelmi, who maps the war using open sources, the rapid progress of the offensive indicates at least two Russian failures: Russian intelligence has not been up to the task, and the country has had too few troops protecting its border.
Intelligence indeed. 1000 troops isn't a lot, and I can't imagine they could repel a couple fighter jets. But fighter jets can't fire anything without a target. Ukraine caught Russia with its pants down and allegedly gained control of a very important natural resource asset. Can't bomb that!

But the incursion is odd, because one would think it would likely be a suicide mission.
 
The Russian leadership appears to be confused by the Ukrainian offensive, which, according to the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, involves up to a thousand Ukrainian soldiers.
Confusion to the enemy seems to be the goal. It may also be that Ukraine is applying some new tactics and weaponry and wants to do some evaluation. At this point it's a propaganda win hands down. Exploiting weaknesses in enemy defenses is nothing new. Ukraine has lost a lot of territory since their offensive fizzled out and probably wants to even that out however it can. If it can take a big piece of Ruski territory and in the process reduce the infrastructure to rubble as the Hitlerites have done in Ukraine it definitely sends a message.

Ukrainian forces need to draw Russian forces away from two key areas. Ukraine risks losing Toretsk in the Donetsk region, threatening a key supply route, T0504 road. Russian forces are also advancing toward Pokrovsk, a crucial logistics hub for Ukrainian forces.
It might be the atomic power plant:

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How to stop and then make it dysfunctional - I have no idea. I think it would take several weeks.

 

Ukraine Invades Russia: Inside Kyiv's Raid on Kursk and the Fallout​


On the morning of August 6, Ukraine staged a bold raid across the its northern border of Russia.
The target? Kursk oblast.
The purpose? Chaos, or something more?
This video explores the immediate aftermath of the raid, what Ukraine may be planning here, and Russia's options in how to stop this from happening again.

0:00 Ukraine Makes a Surprise Play
0:42 What Has Happened
3:24 Why Didn't Russia Stop Ukraine?
5:19 Will Ukraine Hold the Territory?
5:55 Ukraine's Good News Cycle
6:33 Avoiding the Kremlin's Strengths
7:26 The Kremlin's Counterstrategies

 
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