How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

From official website of Ukrainian Border Control forces

 

[Patooka]

Because apparently youtube doesn't lie, Russian soldiers are in deep shit.

 

[Jayjay]

And there is this...



This makes me wonder if there is a Russian Oprah, that invites parents of soldiers to her show, and then surprises them with gifts:

"You get a Lada, and you get a Lada, and you get a Lada! ... also all your sons died in Ukraine."

 

[ZiprHead]

Total surrenders are rare as nails. Most end around a table and even the shape of the table is contested.

Ukraine is likely going to end in a likely very Russian way. It’s starting to look like the armies of Vladimir Putin will go home on foot, leaving a lot of equipment behind. Why? They are facing a logistics collapse like that seen by the armies of the Tzar in 1917, after the Summer offensive.

First, a tad of background. Because we have seen signals of this since the beginning of the war. If the Russian plan had worked, and they took Kyiv in three days, we would not have noticed these systemic problems with the Russian army.

But now we do, and have.

The first sign of this was a Russian general who reportedly shot himself because his tanks were in a sorry state:

 

[ZiprHead]

Putin Ally Waiting for Order to Smash West to 'Smithereens'

www.msn.com

Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen leader and top ally of Vladimir Putin, said Sunday that he is waiting on an order from the Russian president to blast Western countries to "smithereens."

Kadyrov made the declaration in a Telegram post that announced the completion of a new Chechen regiment called "North-Akhmat," which was one of four that the Chechen leader announced was being formed last month to help replenish Russia's troops during its ongoing war with Ukraine. He wrote that Russia is the only country in the world to "speak out against the infernal abomination that the West spreads," and that he is grateful that Putin "made such a correct decision and gave us the opportunity to take part in this sacred struggle against Satanism."

"We are ready to go further on orders, to easily take Kyiv and the NATO countries," the post read. "Our units, hardened in real battles, will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and TRUTH! The West does not yet understand how strong WE are!"

 

[TV and credit cards]

I read it's the Chechens job to hang back behind the lines and shoot Russian soldiers trying to turn tail and run.

 

[Elixir]

I read it's the Chechens job to hang back behind the lines and shoot Russian soldiers trying to turn tail and run.

Tough job, but somebody has to do it.

 

[Jayjay]

Where would Putin be without good old Ramzan backing him up?

 

[ZiprHead]

^^^ It looks like a gay wedding photo.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia accidentally shoots down their own $36M Su-34 bomber, Ukraine claims

The jet was reportedly downed near Alchevsk, a city in the Luhansk region and one of the areas where Vladimir Putin's war is focused.

www.newsweek.com

A $36 million Russian Su-34 bomber was reportedly shot down by Russia's own forces over Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region, Ukrainian media outlets claimed on Monday.

The jet was reportedly downed near Alchevsk, a city in the Luhansk region—one of the areas where the war is currently focused. Alchevsk is currently under the occupation of Moscow-backed separatist forces.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Putin Ally Waiting for Order to Smash West to 'Smithereens'

www.msn.com

Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen leader and top ally of Vladimir Putin, said Sunday that he is waiting on an order from the Russian president to blast Western countries to "smithereens."

Kadyrov made the declaration in a Telegram post that announced the completion of a new Chechen regiment called "North-Akhmat," which was one of four that the Chechen leader announced was being formed last month to help replenish Russia's troops during its ongoing war with Ukraine. He wrote that Russia is the only country in the world to "speak out against the infernal abomination that the West spreads," and that he is grateful that Putin "made such a correct decision and gave us the opportunity to take part in this sacred struggle against Satanism."

"We are ready to go further on orders, to easily take Kyiv and the NATO countries," the post read. "Our units, hardened in real battles, will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and TRUTH! The West does not yet understand how strong WE are!"

Four whole regiments? In the Russian military, a regiment is 2,000 men commanded by a colonel or lieutenant colonel. This moron thinks 8,000 poorly trained and armed Chechnyans would be anything other than target practice in a war with NATO?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Total surrenders are rare as nails. Most end around a table and even the shape of the table is contested.

Ukraine is likely going to end in a likely very Russian way. It’s starting to look like the armies of Vladimir Putin will go home on foot, leaving a lot of equipment behind. Why? They are facing a logistics collapse like that seen by the armies of the Tzar in 1917, after the Summer offensive.

First, a tad of background. Because we have seen signals of this since the beginning of the war. If the Russian plan had worked, and they took Kyiv in three days, we would not have noticed these systemic problems with the Russian army.

But now we do, and have.

The first sign of this was a Russian general who reportedly shot himself because his tanks were in a sorry state:

Huh? How do they load tanks etc without seeing if they even start? Don't they drive onto the transport?

 

[skepticalbip]

Total surrenders are rare as nails. Most end around a table and even the shape of the table is contested.

Ukraine is likely going to end in a likely very Russian way. It’s starting to look like the armies of Vladimir Putin will go home on foot, leaving a lot of equipment behind. Why? They are facing a logistics collapse like that seen by the armies of the Tzar in 1917, after the Summer offensive.

First, a tad of background. Because we have seen signals of this since the beginning of the war. If the Russian plan had worked, and they took Kyiv in three days, we would not have noticed these systemic problems with the Russian army.

But now we do, and have.

The first sign of this was a Russian general who reportedly shot himself because his tanks were in a sorry state:

Huh? How do they load tanks etc without seeing if they even start? Don't they drive onto the transport?

There is a big difference between a tank starting and being able to be loaded on a transport and it being in reliable condition and battle ready.

 

[marc]

Putin Ally Waiting for Order to Smash West to 'Smithereens'

www.msn.com

Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen leader and top ally of Vladimir Putin, said Sunday that he is waiting on an order from the Russian president to blast Western countries to "smithereens."

Kadyrov made the declaration in a Telegram post that announced the completion of a new Chechen regiment called "North-Akhmat," which was one of four that the Chechen leader announced was being formed last month to help replenish Russia's troops during its ongoing war with Ukraine. He wrote that Russia is the only country in the world to "speak out against the infernal abomination that the West spreads," and that he is grateful that Putin "made such a correct decision and gave us the opportunity to take part in this sacred struggle against Satanism."

"We are ready to go further on orders, to easily take Kyiv and the NATO countries," the post read. "Our units, hardened in real battles, will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and TRUTH! The West does not yet understand how strong WE are!"

Four whole regiments? In the Russian military, a regiment is 2,000 men commanded by a colonel or lieutenant colonel. This moron thinks 8,000 poorly trained and armed Chechnyans would be anything other than target practice in a war with NATO?

Makes me think of some old time comedies where someone is making a bunch of threats or tough talk, while saying to their friends "Don't hold me back!" when they are not actually being held. Sometimes even trying to get the friend to hold them back while they make the threats.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Four whole regiments? In the Russian military, a regiment is 2,000 men commanded by a colonel or lieutenant colonel. This moron thinks 8,000 poorly trained and armed Chechnyans would be anything other than target practice in a war with NATO?

Yeah. The Great Turkey Shoot showed how useless manpower is without adequate weapons.

 

[ZiprHead]

U.S. to send four more HIMARS to Ukraine

The United States will send four more high mobility artillery rocket systems (HIMARS) to Ukraine, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Wednesday, in the latest military package to bolster Kyiv as it confronts heavy pounding by Russian forces.

www.reuters.com

That will bring the total to 16.

 

[ZiprHead]

‘They hunt us like stray cats’: pro-Russia separatists step up forced conscription as losses mount

Footage emerges of Ukrainian citizens in occupied Donbas being press-ganged to fight for Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Pro-Russia separatist forces have stepped up the forced conscription of men – including Ukrainian passport holders – in occupied areas of the Donbas region, amid mounting evidence of the scale of losses on the Russian side.

According to credible evidence from the region, forced conscription – already a feature of the Russian-backed separatists’ rule before the Kremlin’s invasion on 24 February – appeared to have picked up again in June, with checkpoints and patrols, some reportedly involving Chechen fighters allied to the Kremlin, on the lookout for men to recruit.


In one video filmed in late June, a woman in Makeevka, in the Donbas region, documented her efforts to prevent officials from the war commissariat from dragging her husband into a car to take him to the conscription office.

In a heated exchange, in which the woman cannot be seen, she at first confronts two officials – one a heavy-set man with a gun and a black T-shirt with a “new Russia” flag, and the second man holding documents including her husband’s passport.

“Return the passport, please,” the woman says. “There’s no martial law, you’re taking away [my husband].”

 

[Jayjay]

‘They hunt us like stray cats’: pro-Russia separatists step up forced conscription as losses mount

Footage emerges of Ukrainian citizens in occupied Donbas being press-ganged to fight for Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Pro-Russia separatist forces have stepped up the forced conscription of men – including Ukrainian passport holders – in occupied areas of the Donbas region, amid mounting evidence of the scale of losses on the Russian side.

According to credible evidence from the region, forced conscription – already a feature of the Russian-backed separatists’ rule before the Kremlin’s invasion on 24 February – appeared to have picked up again in June, with checkpoints and patrols, some reportedly involving Chechen fighters allied to the Kremlin, on the lookout for men to recruit.


In one video filmed in late June, a woman in Makeevka, in the Donbas region, documented her efforts to prevent officials from the war commissariat from dragging her husband into a car to take him to the conscription office.

In a heated exchange, in which the woman cannot be seen, she at first confronts two officials – one a heavy-set man with a gun and a black T-shirt with a “new Russia” flag, and the second man holding documents including her husband’s passport.

“Return the passport, please,” the woman says. “There’s no martial law, you’re taking away [my husband].”

I want to know what @barbos thinks about this video describing everyday life in "people's republics". He'll probably say these are Ukrainian army recruiters, or that the whole thing is staged or a forgery.

 

[Elixir]

He'll probably say these are Ukrainian army recruiters, or that the whole thing is staged or a forgery.

If that’s what he’s told to say, yes.

It feels almost like Barbie is daring us to designate him - and all Russians by association - as subhumans with zero regard for truth, human life or rights of others.

 

[Copernicus]

We are continually told that the sanctions aren't working, but...

Russia Defaults On LNG Supplies To India

Russia has defaulted on the supply of at least 5 cargoes or shiploads of LNG to India after its retaliatory sanctions hit one of the companies that supply gas to India, sources said.

India's largest gas firm GAIL has a long-term deal to import 2.85 million tonnes of liquefied natural gas (LNG) per annum from a Singapore-based unit of Russian gas producer Gazprom.

The company has since June defaulted on the supply of 5 cargoes of LNG under that contract citing difficulty in sourcing gas due to sanctions, two sources briefed on the matter said...