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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

barbos said:
Good lecture for you russophobes:
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Actually, it's a perfect lesson for russophiles, because it reinforces Russian propaganda that the problem is everybody else always picking on Russians, who are only interested in defending themselves. This paranoid view ignores the reality that Russia has neighbors with equally legitimate fears about their borders, especially the ones next to Russia's border. Renfrew makes the laughable claim that Russia's posture has always been "defensive" and intended to prevent invasions from outside parties. Of course, Russian borders have not remained in the same place over the centuries. They grew from a very small region to become the largest single country in landmass in the entire world. That's pretty impressive for a country that only ever just wanted to defend its own borders. Stalin even shifted the national territories of countries like Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus westward in order to make "Lebensraum" for ethnic Russians--the inverse of Hitler's desire to push ethnic Germans into ethnic Slavic territories.

So Renfrew correctly pointed out that a great many Russians have this fear built in that they are surrounded by enemies who threaten their national security. He just didn't talk about the same fear that exists in all of those countries that were either forcibly incorporated into Russia's growing borders or occupied and turned into puppet states of Russia. The man is literally a self-confessed Russophile who filters his politics through that perspective. But Russians are not the only people who have this fear of invasion. Ukraine and Belarus were just unlucky not to be allowed into NATO, whose only purpose for existence is to contain Russian expansionism. Eastern Europe has been a battleground for such conflicts for centuries. Russian fear and paranoia are nothing unique or special that is "built into" the Russian character. It is an attitude that they deliberately immerse themselves in and stew in it. Russia can talk itself out of what it talked itself into.
 
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bilby said:
barbos said:
someone is desperate
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I'm sorry to hear that. Desperation is a terrible thing. Have you tried talking it through with a therapist; Or drinking a few pints of vodka?
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I think a spell in the Donbass will firmly put Barbos's feet on the ground (or more likely under it)
 
TV and credit cards said:
TV and credit cards said:
Black Sea Fleet.
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Russia May Have Lost Two Kalibr Missile Carriers — Admiral Makarov and Admiral Essen
Russian Black Sea Fleet frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Essen were seriously damaged during the August 12 strike on the Novorossiysk naval base.

The OSINT website Absolutely Reliable Source published a satellite image that appears to show damage to the launch systems. This suggests that the frigates may have lost the ability to launch Kalibr missiles, although the exact extent of the damage to the ships has not been officially disclosed.
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It must be getting hard for the Russian naval inspectors to see the Plimsoll lines on the Black Sea surface fleet.
 
Regarding WB, they apparently moved/moving their shit from large warehouses back to small ones they used before, this is less efficient and increases delivery time of course, but Kiev Regime is probably hitting empty warehouses, which have nothing to burn in them. I suspect they will try to mount some kind of system to protect from these british drones, or probably ask Putin for weapons to hit London in retaliation.
I mean, that's not Russia, that's WB who needs protection from GB.
I would gladly provide Tatiana Kim with military help.
 
barbos said:
Regarding WB, they apparently moved/moving their shit from large warehouses back to small ones they used before, this is less efficient and increases delivery time of course, but Kiev Regime is probably hitting empty warehouses, which have nothing to burn in them. I suspect they will try to mount some kind of system to protect from these british drones, or probably ask Putin for weapons to hit London in retaliation.
I mean, that's not Russia, that's WB who needs protection from GB.
I would gladly provide Tatiana Kim with military help.
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In English, this is called locking the barn after the horse is gone. Moving tons of merchandise requires trucks and trucks require fuel, so there will still be plenty of flammable merchandise in the remaining Wildberries warehouses.

I'm sure Tatiana is grateful for your offer, but Putin is not going to hit the UK or any other NATO country. That's just more of your threats from the barroom floor.
 
A Cascading Effect.

I had heard on the DW News channel last night that gasoline in Russia is only available at 30% of gas stations. That's worse than I thought. Then this morning ISW reports,
Russian state newspaper Izvestia reported on August 18, citing data from Russian crowd-sourced mobile application GdeBENZ (which provides Russians real-time fuel availability and prices), that gasoline was available at only 28 percent of all Russian gas stations
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This has also affected the availability of motor oil as the supply chain is disrupted (need for aromatic hydrocarbons) and vehicles are in more frequent need of oil changes since Russia permitted an increase in the supply of lower grade gasoline that breaks down the motor oil faster. Further, Wikipedia states more modern engines are not designed to run on this older poorer quality gasoline.
Understandable considering the tight mechanical tolerances of newer engines requiring these thinner motor oils such as 0W-16 and 0W-8. I'd hate to be running a turbo in Russia right now.
Russian streets are going to look like Cuba; nothing but old jalopies still running, puffing noxious fumes into the air.


As far as Wildberries goes, only barbos knows for sure how bad it is. We can only take known information, apply it to our own Amazon and make assumptions as to what our online experience might be like. If 70% of Amazon's large fulfillment centers went up in smoke and small vendors selling through these fulfillment centers went out of business when their uninsured inventory went along with it, what do you think it'd be like?

Most importantly, this is reality for Russians. The Kremlin can spin the war in Ukraine. They can't spin this. So many things being "out of stock" online and the word of mouth of where and how close last night's explosions were is real.
Oh, and the deployment of Rosgvardia (Russia’s heavily militarized internal security force) to gas stations because the local cops can't handle the violence.

Winning!

I hope Ukraine gives it their all as Russian elections loom. Not that the OG of petty dictators can lose to anyone but the turnout might be interesting.
 
Ovazor said:
barbos said:
Good lecture for you russophobes:
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Renfrew's main area of research specialization is literary and critical theory. Yeah, a real expert on international relations.
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I did not graduate from MGIMO either.
There is very little international relation going on in there.
If You insist I posted plenty of videos of former diplomats for you to reply.
 
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Bronzeage said:
barbos said:
Regarding WB, they apparently moved/moving their shit from large warehouses back to small ones they used before, this is less efficient and increases delivery time of course, but Kiev Regime is probably hitting empty warehouses, which have nothing to burn in them. I suspect they will try to mount some kind of system to protect from these british drones, or probably ask Putin for weapons to hit London in retaliation.
I mean, that's not Russia, that's WB who needs protection from GB.
I would gladly provide Tatiana Kim with military help.
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In English, this is called locking the barn after the horse is gone. Moving tons of merchandise requires trucks and trucks require fuel, so there will still be plenty of flammable merchandise in the remaining Wildberries warehouses.

I'm sure Tatiana is grateful for your offer, but Putin is not going to hit the UK or any other NATO country. That's just more of your threats from the barroom floor.
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WB moved to smaller warehouses, period.
 
Meanwhile Russian men die and are crippled, and Russia is hit by Ukrainian drones. I bet Putin never saw that coming four years ago.

Russain mothers and fathers devastated by losses of sons.
 
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