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I've given thought about trying to move to another country. For those who have done it, can you give me any advice? I'm figuring you have to get a work visa first, then perhaps a residence license, and then perhaps if it works out you can apply for citizenship.

I think the country is going to pot and it ain't going to get better.
 
Where are you thinking about going?

I know for Canada they have a list of occupations that would make it easier to get a work permit to live there.
 
You might want to check out ex-pat sites and communities. They will have tips and tricks and will make your experience 1000x better.
 
Or you might ask Google. He (she?) seems to know a lot of stuff.
 
I've given thought about trying to move to another country. For those who have done it, can you give me any advice? I'm figuring you have to get a work visa first, then perhaps a residence license, and then perhaps if it works out you can apply for citizenship.

I think the country is going to pot and it ain't going to get better.

Find a shallow spot in the Rio Grande and walk south.
 
Or you can go up the Arrowhead Trail and ford the Pigeon River and walk north.

There is of course nothing between this and the North Pole except a couple of rail lines and the Queen's Highway...
 
Just wander across the Canadian border. It's 3000 miles long and we have about ten people watching it. You won't get caught. Once you're here, apply for asylum. They'll give you a temporary residence card while your case is in progress and then you can just wander off and do what you want in the country and skip your hearing.
 
Just wander across the Canadian border. It's 3000 miles long and we have about ten people watching it. You won't get caught. Once you're here, apply for asylum. They'll give you a temporary residence card while your case is in progress and then you can just wander off and do what you want in the country and skip your hearing.

You live in the USA?11!!! etc.

Ah, no. You didn't mention free cellphones and a Cadillac....
 
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I remember when conservatives used to put "America, love it or leave it," bumper stickers on their cars.
 
I've given thought about trying to move to another country. For those who have done it, can you give me any advice? I'm figuring you have to get a work visa first, then perhaps a residence license, and then perhaps if it works out you can apply for citizenship.

I think the country is going to pot and it ain't going to get better.

Literally the country is going to pot(weed)...what do you mean by going to pot?

The only place outside the USA I've been to is Montreal on a vacation.

I have never felt any compulsion to leave the USA, it is after all home.

Western Europe seems to be the same consumer society as the USA. Politically left o USA, but the same political bickering.

Watched a piece on Denmark. Socialist, high taxes, high govt support, and generally high level of general contentment. Less emphasis on materialism and more emphasis on relationships and community. One city requires enough parks so that all are within walking distance.

One negative opinion was that the contentment comes at the cost of a loss of initiate, a level of stagnation. Personal material achievement is downplayed. I heard something similar from a Norwegian, emphasizing the individual is considered bad form.

Culturally NYC, LA, Dallas, Miami, NO, SF and Seattle are different. Born in NYC. Lived in Connecticut , New Hampshire, Virginia, Tennessee, Oregon, Idaho, and Washington.

If you can not find an environment that suits you in the USA don't see how elsewhere will make you happy. If the shit hits the fan North America is where I want to be.


No matter where you go you will be seen as an American...branded :D
 
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I've given thought about trying to move to another country. For those who have done it, can you give me any advice? I'm figuring you have to get a work visa first, then perhaps a residence license, and then perhaps if it works out you can apply for citizenship.

I think the country is going to pot and it ain't going to get better.

It depends on what you are looking for, your skill set, and your willingness (and ability) to become fluent in another language. There are various culture shocks that may, or may not, bother you. Gas prices, grocery selection, housing, cost of goods, firearm controls, and taxes may not be to your liking in many countries. On the other hand, if you are seeking universal health care, enjoy walking, don't mind public transit it may be attractive.

The safest bet for any American is Canada and Australia whose product diversity and lifestyle opportunities are most like the US (although it is said that Australian taxes are high by American or Canadian standards). On the other hand, the UK and Europe are far different and, these days, economically challenged. And anywhere in the under-developed world you will be subject to issues of safety (in addition to culture shock).

New Zealand is also a possibility. The climate is very moderate, the landscape generally gorgeous, and the opportunities for home ownership and a few acres comparable to the US (although the Auckland area is rapidly becoming an example of "California" disease). The people are very friendly (unless they are driving) and easy to engage. You would, however, have to become accustomed to grocery and retail stores not being as diversely stocked, significantly more expensive, etc. For example:

- I enjoy cooking. However, in my stay I had to get used to the fact that the product variety in NZ supermarkets are about 2/3rds to 3/4s that of my local Safeway or Lucky market (and in the US I live in a below average economic area). One will not find various fat content mixes of ground beef (minced) as we do here (4, 7, 10, 15, 20 percent beef), ground turkey, many cuts and forms of chicken, etc. On the other hand, you will find far more variety in cuts of ham and lamb. For those with more specific tastes in various Mexican (etc.) ethnic products may be disappointed.

- I enjoy making pottery and ceramics. However, while NZ potters are very active, sources of supply are not nearly as available (and sometimes very expensive). Nelson is one of NZ's most popular and economically vibrant towns but in spite of its size and location, there is no pottery supply store. So a store that sells NZ pots and ceramics stocks, in its back room, stocks supplies that it sells to the many distant potters across the north of South Island.

- I suspect that you would find that the broad range of hobbies and avocations are one of the American lifestyle options that are less available in many or most other countries. My impression is that no country offers (except Canada) the diversity of life experience choice. Woodworking, pottery, boat building, shooting, off-road vehicle building, muscle cars, hunting, sailing, recreational vehicle living, etc. are not, as a whole, widely available elsewhere. Yes, NZ is great for those into boats and sailing, but in other areas not so much.

Hence - if you like sailing, great beers, wine, hiking, rose growing, gardening and lamb you might like NZ. If you enjoy handgun shooting, pottery making, Mexican food, jacked up pickups and SUVs, or new cars (most cars are imported used cars), low fat cooking, etc. you might be disappointed.

On the whole, I would recommend to any young person to apply for immigration to NZ...the job experience is valuable and you can always return if its not to your liking.
 
To physically leave the country is no big deal. Get a passport, go somewhere.

The hard part is getting citizenship in another country (and the US won't let you relinquish citizenship unless you have citizenship somewhere else--there are treaties about not creating stateless individuals and allowing you to relinquish without having another citizenship would make you stateless.)

Realistically, the routes are either money, heritage or marriage. There's no way you can create heritage so it leaves only money or marriage.

The rules vary on exactly how money works, in some cases you can simply outright buy citizenship--but most such places are countries you don't want to live in--such citizenship is only useful for pretending not to be whatever your real nationality is. Of the places that are reasonable to live the usual rule is investing the money in some fashion. For the worthwhile places it's normally in the 6 figures. (Example: In the US it's $500k per visa, the money must be directly invested in starting/expanding a company and produce at least 10 jobs for Americans--your role with the company doesn't count as one of the ten.)
 
Also, if you work for the military or any large tech company and have access to classified information on new technologies, Chinese immigration authorities are willing to speed up your citizenship requests.
 
I've given thought about trying to move to another country. For those who have done it, can you give me any advice? I'm figuring you have to get a work visa first, then perhaps a residence license, and then perhaps if it works out you can apply for citizenship.

I think the country is going to pot and it ain't going to get better.

It probably makes a huge difference what line of work you're in, what country or countries you are considering, and whether you're bringing family. Here, you would in most cases need an confirmed job acceptance for being issued a work visa in the first place and your employer to-be will have to make the case that he couldn't find any qualified EU citizen for the job. Once you have a work permit, renewing residency isn't much of an issue, although it will have to be prolonged periodically, that shouldn't be a problem as long as you stay in work, but a permanent residency for non-citizens is hairy. You'll have to legally be in the country for 10 consecutive years (six if you're an EU citizen, or married to citizen of the country) before you can apply for citizenship. Actually in the country, not just in the EU. So if you loose your job here after five years and work in Germany (or Britain) for a couple of years before returning, the countdown starts anew.

The rules are somewhat different for different European countries, but that's the general direction. Unless you have a handsome amount of extra cash - several countries have fast-track schemes for investors, which in some cases almost amount to being able to legally buy a passport for as little as a few hundred thousand euros. You don't have to stay in the country even - your Bulgarian or Maltese citizenship will grant you most of the rights of a local citizen in Germany or Britain, including the right to apply for German/British citizenship after a much shorter waiting period.
 
If you are a highly paid professional, you could try searching jobs in Texas for foreign companies that might considering taking care of the work permits and visas.
 
To physically leave the country is no big deal. Get a passport, go somewhere.

The hard part is getting citizenship in another country (and the US won't let you relinquish citizenship unless you have citizenship somewhere else--there are treaties about not creating stateless individuals and allowing you to relinquish without having another citizenship would make you stateless.)

Realistically, the routes are either money, heritage or marriage. There's no way you can create heritage so it leaves only money or marriage.

The rules vary on exactly how money works, in some cases you can simply outright buy citizenship--but most such places are countries you don't want to live in--such citizenship is only useful for pretending not to be whatever your real nationality is. Of the places that are reasonable to live the usual rule is investing the money in some fashion. For the worthwhile places it's normally in the 6 figures. (Example: In the US it's $500k per visa, the money must be directly invested in starting/expanding a company and produce at least 10 jobs for Americans--your role with the company doesn't count as one of the ten.)

Well, isn't that special? Give us your huddled masses yearning to INVEST.;)
 
Unless you want to return to a country you have heritage in. I believe I could 'return' to England or Sweden without too much difficulty.
 
It is going to depend on your employment. If you are able to work from home/remotely, I would recommend Prague. Good internet speeds and reliable connection, low cost of living, decent quality of life, easy access to the rest of Europe, and plenty of people that can speak and understand English.

Otherwise, try getting hired on with a company that has international operations and express strong interest to work abroad.

https://nomadlist.io/
 
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