Idiot dragged out of bar by her hair for not wearing mask

[Jarhyn]

This is about some of you cheering about a defenseless woman who had the shit beat out of her. As I said, if this had been a person of color rather than a "white Karen type" the narrative on here would be a lot different. Get a grip of yourselves.

I think this woman was in idiot and in the wrong 100%, but I agree with you that race/ethnicity/religion drives a lot of the narrative on here. Just look at the reactions to the Gorilla Glue Girl where I was accused of racism just for mentioning that story. Apparently this case is worthy of being discussed on here, but a likely Gorilla Glue lawsuit is not ...

Says the person ignoring the fact that a certain special somebody donated all the money people gave her to charity. That isn't very lawsuit shaped...

But still, this idiot played stupid games, won stupid prizes. This stupid prize is getting dragged out of the bar for breaking the rules of the establishment.

Yet you STILL try to make this about the black girl.

Derec, you could have posted this thread. You could have just, posted about a conservative being an idiot. You could have called her a fucking idiot. Because she is a fucking idiot, same as GGG.

But then you had to make it about race.

I mean how fucking hard is it to just comment "no, TSwizz, she's just a fucking idiot playing stupid games for stupid prizes".

That's all it would have taken.

 

[TSwizzle]

This is about some of you cheering about a defenseless woman who had the shit beat out of her. As I said, if this had been a person of color rather than a "white Karen type" the narrative on here would be a lot different. Get a grip of yourselves.

I think this woman was in idiot and in the wrong 100%,

I don't know if she is in the wrong, it's not really that important what kicked things off. What is important is the brutality that was met out to the girl.

but I agree with you that race/ethnicity/religion drives a lot of the narrative on here. Just look at the reactions to the Gorilla Glue Girl where I was accused of racism just for mentioning that story. Apparently this case is worthy of being discussed on here, but a likely Gorilla Glue lawsuit is not ...

I haven't really paid attention to the glue thread but your observation is correct. A white Karen type gets a beat down for who knows what and that's ok for some on here. Probably didn't go for enough for some. But if this had been a black girl, oh my, the narrative would have been a lot different.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Bar bouncers are not known for their gentle dispositions, patience, or sense of humor

 

[Rhea]

She essentially admitted to refusing to comply. Odds are that security tried to escort her to the door and she got physical and resisted, so it escalated. I don't see a difference between that and when drunks causing a disturbance or groping waitresses are thrown out of bars using the level of force needed depending upon their compliance.

So that’s the kind of info I’m waiting for in order for this to make sense. Though it’d have to be a helluva resistance to warrant hair-dragging. I just can’t see that as ever being necessary r appropriate.

I totally get ‘no mask, no service,’ and I totally aree with it. If she was not complying with the bar’s rules, I totally get removing her.

But the story I was shown here is that she was dragged across the floor by her hair for not wearing a mask.
And that doesn’t feel right.


Maybe dragged out for fighting the guard repeatedly and violently.
Maybe escorted out for not wearing a mask.
But not dragged out for non-mask

But the story does not provide enough info for me to think dragging by hair is appropriate. That kind of violence leads to danger, and just because she’s a dickhead does not mean she should be put in danger.

I may find out later that she did fight and/or she wasn’t actually dragged. But right now, I don’t have info to make me think anything but - “That ain’t right.”

 

[laughing dog]

This is about some of you cheering about a defenseless woman who had the shit beat out of her. As I said, if this had been a person of color rather than a "white Karen type" the narrative on here would be a lot different. Get a grip of yourselves.

I think this woman was in idiot and in the wrong 100%, but I agree with you that race/ethnicity/religion drives a lot of the narrative on here. Just look at the reactions to the Gorilla Glue Girl where I was accused of racism just for mentioning that story. Apparently this case is worthy of being discussed on here, but a likely Gorilla Glue lawsuit is not ...

Your portrayal is really inaccurate. The accusation was not based on that single story but your well-documented and easily observed penchant for posting OPs about stupid stuff said or done by black people while refraining from doing so about white people.

 

[scombrid]

This is about some of you cheering about a defenseless woman who had the shit beat out of her. As I said, if this had been a person of color rather than a "white Karen type" the narrative on here would be a lot different. Get a grip of yourselves.

I think this woman was in idiot and in the wrong 100%, but I agree with you that race/ethnicity/religion drives a lot of the narrative on here. Just look at the reactions to the Gorilla Glue Girl where I was accused of racism just for mentioning that story. Apparently this case is worthy of being discussed on here, but a likely Gorilla Glue lawsuit is not ...

Your portrayal is really inaccurate. The accusation was not based on that single story but your well-documented and easily observed penchant for posting OPs about stupid stuff said or done by black people while refraining from doing so about white people.

Yep. Saw gorilla glue story posted on three different boards. All were by people with this particular posting history.

 

[scombrid]

Now to the story of this post. Woman named Bliss getting bounced from a bar? Bliss? Really? Yeah, she has done that before. Not exactly news. Bet she bowed up. Most bouncers live for that. Just give them a reason.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hard ro imagine the security guard needing that kind of force. Doesn’t seem right to me. Need more info.

I’m trying to picture a scenario where dragging out a patron is the right thing to do, ever, and I’m coming up with a pretty short list - that would have been part of this story.

Waiting for more before thinking i can side with someone besides the person dragged. (Even if she is likely a dickhead “my freedums” type)

She's a danger so long as she's in there--the anti-maskers are much more likely than average to be infected.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Apparently, the private establishment had rules that someone refused to follow. They got tossed out. Where's the problem with that?

The problem is that they didn't get "tossed out". They were dragged along the floor by their hair, kicked and punched while defenseless on the floor. This is the actions of bullies and thugs. Something I thought was frowned upon here but this behavior is actually condoned providing it's a white Karen type that's on the receiving end.

I strongly suspect in resisting being thrown out she fell down.

Besides, dragging by the hair has an advantage--it encourages the person to come along rather than resist.

 

[Jarhyn]

Hard ro imagine the security guard needing that kind of force. Doesn’t seem right to me. Need more info.

I’m trying to picture a scenario where dragging out a patron is the right thing to do, ever, and I’m coming up with a pretty short list - that would have been part of this story.

Waiting for more before thinking i can side with someone besides the person dragged. (Even if she is likely a dickhead “my freedums” type)

She's a danger so long as she's in there--the anti-maskers are much more likely than average to be infected.

She's a plague rat.

There are a lot of people in general that don't wear their masks or wear them wrong.

They all suck.

They all need to be asked to wear their mask properly or put one on, or else leave if they refuse, or else be removed, to outside where they can do little harm.

Just say no to plagues. Wear a fucking mask.

 

[J842P]

The victim alleges she was dragged out by the hair. Frankly, if true, that seems a bit excessive without more information.

She essentially admitted to refusing to comply. Odds are that security tried to escort her to the door and she got physical and resisted, so it escalated. I don't see a difference between that and when drunks causing a disturbance or groping waitresses are thrown out of bars using the level of force needed depending upon their compliance.

It is pretty clear she refused to comply. The allegation of being pulled out by the hair is not substantiated. I suspect that method is not generally accepted or promoted as an approved method for removing someone unless there are extenuating circumstances. If a video or witness statements might clear up the missing information.

I'm pretty sure this is the video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CK6fmmCJUm5/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

 

[Swammerdami]

Pretentious Trumpies who refuse to wear masks are inevitably the same people who insist on lying and exaggeration. The chance that her version is truthful is close to zero.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I treat masks like condoms. People who are diligent with masks in public, I'll invite them home. People who say that Covid-19 is just a flu or don't think masks actually work, those people I will never be around without a mask.

It was good that lady got ejected from the bar, violently.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Watching people in the US and how they wear masks makes me understand how contraception has such a high 'failure' rate.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is pretty clear she refused to comply. The allegation of being pulled out by the hair is not substantiated. I suspect that method is not generally accepted or promoted as an approved method for removing someone unless there are extenuating circumstances. If a video or witness statements might clear up the missing information.

I'm pretty sure this is the video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CK6fmmCJUm5/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

It's not too clear but it certainly seems to me like she's being dragged by hair and arm--with the position she's in the bouncer doesn't really have any other place to grip.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Watching people in the US and how they wear masks makes me understand how contraception has such a high 'failure' rate.

The high failure rate is worldwide. People just aren't diligent.

Note that the data from the Nevada brothels suggests even the "perfect use" failure rate of condoms includes mistakes as they're doing better than perfect.

 

[ronburgundy]

She essentially admitted to refusing to comply. Odds are that security tried to escort her to the door and she got physical and resisted, so it escalated. I don't see a difference between that and when drunks causing a disturbance or groping waitresses are thrown out of bars using the level of force needed depending upon their compliance.

So that’s the kind of info I’m waiting for in order for this to make sense. Though it’d have to be a helluva resistance to warrant hair-dragging. I just can’t see that as ever being necessary r appropriate.

I totally get ‘no mask, no service,’ and I totally aree with it. If she was not complying with the bar’s rules, I totally get removing her.

But the story I was shown here is that she was dragged across the floor by her hair for not wearing a mask.
And that doesn’t feel right.


Maybe dragged out for fighting the guard repeatedly and violently.
Maybe escorted out for not wearing a mask.
But not dragged out for non-mask

But the story does not provide enough info for me to think dragging by hair is appropriate. That kind of violence leads to danger, and just because she’s a dickhead does not mean she should be put in danger.

I may find out later that she did fight and/or she wasn’t actually dragged. But right now, I don’t have info to make me think anything but - “That ain’t right.”

It wouldn't take much at all to produce what we see in that video. She refuses to leave and is putting others in danger, security attempts to put hands on their collar to escort them out, the person flails and goes to the ground while security has them by the collar and is pulling them toward the door. Again, I'd argue security should treat a mask refuser who has refused to leave the same as a person screaming violent threats in the faces of other patrons and even throwing objects at other patrons. They get one chance to stop when told, then once chance to leave. Given what an entitled, emotionally and mentally unhinged person it takes to refuse to comply with simple mask requirements, it seems highly probable that if she made it neccessary to physically remove her, that she'd ensure it went downhill from there. The odds of that are far higher than that the security guard just went straight for a hair drag.

 

[TSwizzle]

Hilarious. If this had been a white cop treating a black junkie like this, oh my how different the narrative would be. Instead of excusing the the cop, cities would burn.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

cities would burn.

Which cities have burned?

 

[Gospel]

Hilarious. If this had been a white cop treating a black junkie like this, oh my how different the narrative would be. Instead of excusing the the cop, cities would burn.

If that were really the case cities would be on fire more often. I mean judging by how many black people are incarcerated & have interactions with the police on a daily basis you'd think there'd be no time to put out the fire before another one is started. But yeah beyond the hyperbole, you're quite right. I can see some folks immediately accusing* the security personnel of wrongdoing out the gate if it was a black woman. The part that you miss is the messenger. Most posts the likes of which you've complained about here are in response to someone who has a track record of starting a thread or making comments that cast black (or generally brown to be more specific since some of the subjects were actually Hispanic) people in a negative light. If you and the other user would actually post something (at least once) showing a black person in a positive light you wouldn't receive the knee-jerk reactions yallz be getting.

Anyway, like Beau of The Fifth Column puts it; It's just a thought

* I use the word accusing because that's how you see it. What is really happening is they are presenting you with another point of view that can easily be just as correct** as yours.

*You're not correct very often