If the baby can survive outside the womb is abortion "murder"?

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm just unsure whether the killing is ethical when it is just a matter of the pregnancy being an inconvenience (and it isn't a case of rape or incest, etc).

out of curiosity, do you think it is ethical to kill the baby that’s the product of rape?

And if the fetus is a person why is abortion in case of rape/incest permitted? Would she be allowed to go kill her attacker? Thus it must not be a person--but in that case why is the state regulating it in the first place??

 

[excreationist]

I'm just unsure whether the killing is ethical when it is just a matter of the pregnancy being an inconvenience (and it isn't a case of rape or incest, etc).

out of curiosity, do you think it is ethical to kill the baby that’s the product of rape?

Yes so that the pregnancy doesn't further traumatize the victim. Though an abortion could be pretty traumatic too.

 

[TomC]

I'm just unsure whether the killing is ethical when it is just a matter of the pregnancy being an inconvenience (and it isn't a case of rape or incest, etc).

out of curiosity, do you think it is ethical to kill the baby that’s the product of rape?

Yes so that the pregnancy doesn't further traumatize the victim. Though an abortion could be pretty traumatic too.

I've long believed that every "rape response kit" should include a morning after pill and the victim strongly encouraged to take it.

Just get that potential trauma right off the table ASAP.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's what Elon Musk says. I tend to agree with him.

No one, not even Elon Musk, should be inside the doctor's office, standing between a woman and her doctor. Late-term is a red herring.

What I think is abhorrently immoral are lawmakers that pass legislation or judges that make court rulings or Attorney Generals that target women seeking health care that ensures that women will require being too close to death to get health care services to ensure they don't die.

Passing and enforcing laws that risk the life of women can be said to be misogynistic and attempt of murder. What affliction can a man suffer from that a hospital would have to turn him away?

 

[Toni]

I'm just unsure whether the killing is ethical when it is just a matter of the pregnancy being an inconvenience (and it isn't a case of rape or incest, etc).

out of curiosity, do you think it is ethical to kill the baby that’s the product of rape?

Yes so that the pregnancy doesn't further traumatize the victim. Though an abortion could be pretty traumatic too.

I've long believed that every "rape response kit" should include a morning after pill and the victim strongly encouraged to take it.

Just get that potential trauma right off the table ASAP.
Tom

But the morning after pill is not always 100% effective. Expecting a rape victim to make a difficult decision ( for some) within 24 hours of being raped is not reasonable.

 

[TomC]

But the morning after pill is not always 100% effective. Expecting a rape victim to make a difficult decision ( for some) within 24 hours of being raped is not reasonable.

So, what problem do you have with making them available and encouraging use?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But the morning after pill is not always 100% effective. Expecting a rape victim to make a difficult decision ( for some) within 24 hours of being raped is not reasonable.

So, what problem do you have with making them available and encouraging use?
Tom

I can't imagine "encouraging" its use. Make it available, yes, but the only thing a rape victim should be encouraged to do is to heal.

Just get that potential trauma right off the table ASAP.

I wouldn't dare imagine what is going through the mind of such a victim and what they consider "potential trauma" and the priorities they need to see to and in what order. That is why we have social workers.

 

[Toni]

But the morning after pill is not always 100% effective. Expecting a rape victim to make a difficult decision ( for some) within 24 hours of being raped is not reasonable.

So, what problem do you have with making them available and encouraging use?
Tom

I don’t! Just the notion that It’s that simple. Maybe I misunderstood you but I can see how some people would think: oh oh— what do you mean you didn’t take it the first 24 hrs after you were ‘raped?’ And what if it’s not effective, as occasionally it is not? The fetus is generally non-viable which is a problem if the thinking is that she has to be on the verge of death for a D&C.

I realize I took it to an extreme from your statement but these are the times we live in…

 

[Elixir]

I realize I took it to an extreme from your statement but these are the times we live in…

I think it useful, and maybe our duty, to consider the extremes, no matter how unlikely.

Electing to abort a healthy, viable fetus is an extreme that virtually never happens, but it’s possible. So we have people advocating for legislation banning it, even knowing that the extreme fetus advocates will use such legislation to kill prospective mothers.

 

[Toni]

I realize I took it to an extreme from your statement but these are the times we live in…

I think it useful, and maybe our duty, to consider the extremes, no matter how unlikely.

Electing to abort a healthy, viable fetus is an extreme that virtually never happens, but it’s possible. So we have people advocating for legislation banning it, even knowing that the extreme fetus advocates will use such legislation to kill prospective mothers.

Because the prospective mothers are only women, after all. The fetus might be male.