If you are Christian can you...

[steve_bank]

Based on scripture can you be a Christian and


1, Get a divorce if you just get tired of each other?
1. Can you commit adultery you get the hots for someone else?
3. If you are unmarried can you fornicate, IOW have sex outside of marriage?

 

[Bronzeage]

Sure. I've done all that many times. It's not like they're going to kick you out, or anything.

 

[Lion IRC]

Based on scripture would it generally be considered sinful for a person to;

1, Get a divorce if you just get tired of each other?
1. Can you commit adultery you get the hots for someone else?
3. If you are unmarried can you fornicate, IOW have sex outside of marriage?

IMHO
Yes, yes and yes

 

[Tigers!]

The very old ''çould you' vs. 'should you'.

Could Should
1. Yes No
2. Yes No
3. Yes No

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Based on scripture would it generally be considered sinful for a person to;

1, Get a divorce if you just get tired of each other?
1. Can you commit adultery you get the hots for someone else?
3. If you are unmarried can you fornicate, IOW have sex outside of marriage?

IMHO
Yes, yes and yes

Matthew 5:23
³² But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 5:27
²⁷ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
²⁸ But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

 

[Lion IRC]

Yes, sorry if I was unclear on the yes/no. Tigers stated it better than me.

No - it wouldn't be OK
Yes - it would be generally regarded as sinful according to a plain reading of scripture. (Yours were good example verses)

 

[steve_bank]

As expected glaring examples of Christian doubletalk.

One of the few things attributed directly to JC was a reinforcement of the Mosaic prohibition of divorce, which does allow divorce I believ for adultery. Christ says if you divorce and remarry you are guilty of fornication. What god has put together let no man put asunder.

There are churches that do not allow divorce.

This then comes back to my view there is no such thing as a Christian aside form saying you are.

Paul says you should be celibate, if you can't get married.

If you I MO are wearing a cross around your neck while you are cursing bars looking for sex you are hypocritical and a blasphemer. Christianity for you is simply an affectation for show that makes you feel good.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I see no reason why someone couldn't decide to view the restrictions against them as allegorical or as a cultural artifact of a historical time period which no longer applies. They do that with a thousand other things, what's three more?

 

[Lion IRC]

As expected glaring examples of Christian doubletalk.

One of the few things attributed directly to JC was a reinforcement of the Mosaic prohibition of divorce, which does allow divorce I believ for adultery. Christ says if you divorce and remarry you are guilty of fornication. What god has put together let no man put asunder.

There are churches that do not allow divorce.

This then comes back to my view there is no such thing as a Christian aside form saying you are.

Paul says you should be celibate, if you can't get married.

If you I MO are wearing a cross around your neck while you are cursing bars looking for sex you are hypocritical and a blasphemer. Christianity for you is simply an affectation for show that makes you feel good.

WUT?

You got two responses BOTH stating the same Christian response.

Adultery is a sin.
Biblical admonishments of infidelity and casual sex (fornication) aren't regarded as anachronisms.

I often find myself enjoying the ironies of the #MeToo movement with its increasing Puritanism and the SSM lobby acting as though marriage and monogamy and family values were the only thing gay men ever wanted.

 

[southernhybrid]

So, if a husband beats his wife, or cheats on his wife, god still thinks they should stay married?

I realize there are many varieties of Christians and not all are Biblical literalists, so I assume the questions in the OP were meant for fundamentalists. I was raised that way, but I never discussed what a person who is abused by a spouse or who simply chose the wrong partner was supposed to do. We all make mistakes. I made a mistake by marrying my first husband. I'd hate to be denied happiness my entire life, for marrying someone who I met at the age of 19 and who emotionally abused me. That is one reason why the idea that one should never divorce is something I find very unsettling. In reality, Christians have a pretty high rate of divorce, and many remarry, so apparently not all take that rule very seriously.

I hope our posters aren't as harsh as some Christians. I've read there are some who think a woman is subservient to her husband and should stay with him even if he abuses her. Such cruelty should be unacceptable by all decent people.

 

[Rhea]

Based on scripture can you be a Christian and


1, Get a divorce if you just get tired of each other?
1. Can you commit adultery you get the hots for someone else?
3. If you are unmarried can you fornicate, IOW have sex outside of marriage?

I’ve always understood the answer to be, “yes, you can do anything sinful and still be a christian.”

(Until a christian calls you a not-christian for being sinful, “a real christian doesn’t, ...” so that they can claim christians are better people)

 

[steve_bank]

I see no reason why someone couldn't decide to view the restrictions against them as allegorical or as a cultural artifact of a historical time period which no longer applies. They do that with a thousand other things, what's three more?

I do not see how fornication can be allegorical or metaphorical. But that is the issue with Christians, they can justify anything by interpretation all the while maintain they represent an absolute morality.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I do not see how fornication can be allegorical or metaphorical.

Physical vs. Spiritual fornication.

When the guy says, 'yes, i slept with her, but she meant nothing to me!'

Trying to convince his wife that while he has had sex without her, she is The One to whom he Makes Love.

 

[steve_bank]

According to my Oxford bible commentary the Jews thought of sex as a weakening. Pagan or libertine sex was viewed as a physical corruption. More of a perceived physical issue rather than spiritual.

Still don't think you can be Christian and willfully have sex out of marriage. If you go by Leviticus and a passage by Paul you can not be Christian and gay. Not that it matters to me what a gay person chooses, by scripture gay and Christian are mutually exclusive.

Christianity biblically based is also misogynist and pat5rirachal. Women should not be in leadership roles over men. So sayeth Paul.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

According to my Oxford bible commentary the Jews thought of sex as a weakening. Pagan or libertine sex was viewed as a physical corruption. More of a perceived physical issue rather than spiritual.

Still don't think you can be Christian and willfully have sex out of marriage. If you go by Leviticus and a passage by Paul you can not be Christian and gay. Not that it matters to me what a gay person chooses, by scripture gay and Christian are mutually exclusive.

Christianity biblically based is also misogynist and pat5rirachal. Women should not be in leadership roles over men. So sayeth Paul.

Of course you can be a Christian and willfully have sex outside of marriage. Evidence of this can be seen in all the millions of people who are Christians who willfully have sex outside of marriage. They reconcile that with their faith by either completely ignoring the restrictions against this or deciding that those restrictions don't apply to their individual case because reasons.

They can also be gay or accepting of gays by not giving a shit about Leviticus. They also wear mismatched socks if they want, so it's not a huge deal to not give a shit about one more thing.

 

[steve_bank]

According to my Oxford bible commentary the Jews thought of sex as a weakening. Pagan or libertine sex was viewed as a physical corruption. More of a perceived physical issue rather than spiritual.

Still don't think you can be Christian and willfully have sex out of marriage. If you go by Leviticus and a passage by Paul you can not be Christian and gay. Not that it matters to me what a gay person chooses, by scripture gay and Christian are mutually exclusive.

Christianity biblically based is also misogynist and pat5rirachal. Women should not be in leadership roles over men. So sayeth Paul.

Of course you can be a Christian and willfully have sex outside of marriage. Evidence of this can be seen in all the millions of people who are Christians who willfully have sex outside of marriage. They reconcile that with their faith by either completely ignoring the restrictions against this or deciding that those restrictions don't apply to their individual case because reasons.

They can also be gay or accepting of gays by not giving a shit about Leviticus. They also wear mismatched socks if they want, so it's not a huge deal to not give a shit about one more thing.

Point being saying you are Christian based on your personal view is not the same as following scripture, unless you reject scripture as inspired by god. When you dom that as I have often said beinga Christian has no particular meaning.

It becomes an affectation that makes you feel good without having to follow any of the rules.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Point being saying you are Christian based on your personal view is not the same as following scripture, unless you reject scripture as inspired by god. When you dom that as I have often said beinga Christian has no particular meaning.

It becomes an affectation that makes you feel good without having to follow any of the rules.

But different Christains, and different Christain traditions, weight various scriptures differently.

Paul even said, some of his writings were inspired by God, some were his idea.
And some of the writings attributed to him may not even be his.

So there's just no telling what's REALLY Christain, and what's affectation...

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Point being saying you are Christian based on your personal view is not the same as following scripture, unless you reject scripture as inspired by god. When you dom that as I have often said beinga Christian has no particular meaning.

It becomes an affectation that makes you feel good without having to follow any of the rules.

That's correct. Christianity is popular precisely because it's so easy. And it's easy because you can invent your own version and make "scripture" mean whatever you want it to mean. Hence all the different flavors. Nicea was undertaken in part because there were loads of disruptive christians running around with nothing to do.

Does christianity have rules? The short answer is "no." The long answer is "Yes, but they don't matter because Jesus saved you."

 

[Bronzeage]

This thread reads like it was written by no true Scotsman.

 

[Rhea]

WUT?

You got two responses BOTH stating the same Christian response.

You are absolutely right. We got a "Christian response" from you. Which is that you chose to answer a different question - an easier one - than the one asked, and dodged the hard theological introspection.

Tiger answered honestly. Yes, you CAN be a "Christian" and be a sinner.

Lion did not answer honestly, he avoided the question of whether the sinner is still a christian if he does these things. Perhaps because the question is uncomfortable, perhaps because he saw the question he wanted rather than the one that was actually there, perhaps because he doesn't know the answer. Lion'll have to be the one to tell us why he answered a different (easier) question and compared himself to someone who answered quite differently and Lion called it the same answer with Christian Righteousness (WUT!)


Very entertaining, tho, because, yes, that is indeed a christian response.

Adultery is a sin.
Biblical admonishments of infidelity and casual sex (fornication) aren't regarded as anachronisms.

I often find myself enjoying the ironies of the #MeToo movement with its increasing Puritanism and the SSM lobby acting as though marriage and monogamy and family values were the only thing gay men ever wanted.

No one asked you if it was a sin. They asked, "are you still a christian if you do it."