January 6 Hearings Live

[Keith&Co.]

Such as, we kidnap preteens and force them into prostitution in pizza shop brothels?

They're opening a chain of Pizzabrothels called "Saucy Wenches-R-Us".

In the New World Order, the Men In Black will be Teens In Cheerleader Outfits.
When they're too old for pizzasex, but not old enough to run their own taco trucks.

 

[Keith&Co.]

As an inveterate lefty, I'm going to whichever one has the taco trucks.

I've seen First Family. If my bona fides as a liberal aren't good enough, i volunteer as the despised underclass they'll need to reach peak civilization. Can't BE civilized without oppressing someone.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

BTW, I read the WAPO article and that is what prompted me to predict a Civil War for 2025 in PD. I just don’t see these fucktards from accepting the results of the 2024 re-election of Biden. Trump will call for a full fledged insurrection and they will follow him to hell. And it will be.

One "simple" way to ensure control is not to control government, but the courts. The McConnell maneuvers on SCOTUS have irreparably harmed the US. Voting Rights aren't quite rights, businesses can find religion, bribing is free speech. This is all done.

Next will be Abortion isn't privacy (or whatever BS justification they provide for it). Gerrymandering gets the thumbs up. And finally, they'll find the constitutional right to religiously endorsed discrimination.

Kind of moving towards the Two Americas, the 21st Century one and the 19th Century one.

The Irresistible Force and the Immovable Object

Only secession will create two Americas: Great America and Ingrate America. Since Lefties believe that America was never great and has been all about THOSE HORRIBLE WHITE PEOPLE!!!, guess which one you'll be moved to.

You know, liberals are like Windows 10 users that think it needs security improvements. Conservatives want to bring back Windows 3.1 back when “online hacking and viruses weren’t a thing.”

Also, irresistible force?

 

[lpetrich]

Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
"Source says Meadows, Bannon and others will move to undercut House select committee inquiry – under instructions from Trump"

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot of litigation about this. It's a typical Trump tactic - litigate and litigate and litigate.

"The select committee had issued the subpoenas under the threat of criminal prosecution in the event of non-compliance, warning that the penalty for defying a congressional subpoena would be far graver under the Biden administration than during the Trump presidency."

 

[SLD]

Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
"Source says Meadows, Bannon and others will move to undercut House select committee inquiry – under instructions from Trump"

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot of litigation about this. It's a typical Trump tactic - litigate and litigate and litigate.

"The select committee had issued the subpoenas under the threat of criminal prosecution in the event of non-compliance, warning that the penalty for defying a congressional subpoena would be far graver under the Biden administration than during the Trump presidency."

But Trump will be President by Thanksgiving and then he will pardon them. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Swammerdami]

Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
"Source says Meadows, Bannon and others will move to undercut House select committee inquiry – under instructions from Trump"

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot of litigation about this. It's a typical Trump tactic - litigate and litigate and litigate.

"The select committee had issued the subpoenas under the threat of criminal prosecution in the event of non-compliance, warning that the penalty for defying a congressional subpoena would be far graver under the Biden administration than during the Trump presidency."

In practical terms what exactly does this mean? Does the House Sergeant-at-Arms have deputies with guns and handcuffs who could and would be instructed to arrest the scofflaws? Would this be a job for Capitol Police?

 

[Patooka]

Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
"Source says Meadows, Bannon and others will move to undercut House select committee inquiry – under instructions from Trump"

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot of litigation about this. It's a typical Trump tactic - litigate and litigate and litigate.

"The select committee had issued the subpoenas under the threat of criminal prosecution in the event of non-compliance, warning that the penalty for defying a congressional subpoena would be far graver under the Biden administration than during the Trump presidency."

In practical terms what exactly does this mean? Does the House Sergeant-at-Arms have deputies with guns and handcuffs who could and would be instructed to arrest the scofflaws? Would this be a job for Capitol Police?

I found this:

Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation).

*snip*

The criminal offense of contempt of Congress sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000 or less than $100.

I've got a similar question; as most Trumptards have migrated to Florida to be closer to their dear leader and that state has disenfranchisement laws, how likely will Trump supporters have their right to vote taken away from them if they are convicted of Contempt of Congress?

 

[SLD]

So according to the Senate Report just released we are, once again, faced with massive evidence that Trump indeed was planning an out and out coup d’etat.

A new report from Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats on Thursday found that Trump tried a stunning nine times to get his Justice Department to undermine the election.

The report also details an extraordinary three-hour meeting in the Oval Office in which Trump tried to win support for a plan to install as acting attorney general a loyalist, Jeffrey Clark, who he thought would help him overturn the 2020 election. In the end, the ex-President was talked out of the move after being told it would trigger mass Justice Department resignations.

Trump indicated that he will try to assert executive privilege to prevent the House select committee probing the mob attack by his supporters on the US Capitol from getting information from certain witnesses.

That panel sent two new subpoenas to two members of the "Stop the Steal" group, Ali Alexander and Nathan Martin, who were affiliated with the planning of the Washington rally that preceded the insurrection.

Yet still Republican leaders have their heads up their ass and continue the stream of denials. It seems pretty obvious that they would love to get rid of this cocksucker but they are just utterly afraid of him and his minions. I turned on our local talk radio the other day to listen to right wing reaction to the report. And of course they were all Pooh-pooping the report. Trump just wanted to investigate the massive evidence of fraud, and there was massive evidence of fraud, before he conceded. He then went on a rant about why did the vote counting stop and then continue giving Biden the lead and how they suddenly found a bunch of new boxes.

A caller then called in to say that we were now a socialist country and that we’ve lost our rights. The host didn’t question him in the slightest, merely urging him to fight.

And you don’t think we are heading towards a violent confrontation in this country? The rhetoric is beyond the pale.

 

[Keith&Co.]

In practical terms what exactly does this mean? Does the House Sergeant-at-Arms have deputies with guns and handcuffs who could and would be instructed to arrest the scofflaws? Would this be a job for Capitol Police?

Um... i know who to ask.

 

[lpetrich]

Midnight in Washington - Random House Books by Rep. Adam Schiff D-CA-28 (Los Angeles), on sale 2021-10-12

From the congressman who led the first impeachment of Donald J. Trump, the vital inside account of American democracy in its darkest hour, and a warning that the forces of autocracy unleashed by Trump remain as potent as ever.

...
In the years leading up to the election of Donald Trump, Congressman Adam Schiff had already been sounding the alarm over the resurgence of autocracy around the world, and the threat this posed to the United States. But as he led the probe into Donald Trump’s Russia and Ukraine-related abuses of presidential power, Schiff came to the terrible conclusion that the principal threat to American democracy now came from within.

In Midnight in Washington, Schiff argues that the Trump presidency has so weakened our institutions and compromised the Republican Party that the peril will last for years, requiring unprecedented vigilance against the growing and dangerous appeal of authoritarianism. The congressman chronicles step by step just how our democracy was put at such risk, and traces his own path to meeting the crisis—from serious prosecutor, to congressman with an expertise in national security and a reputation for bipartisanship, to liberal lightning rod, scourge of the right, and archenemy of a president. Schiff takes us inside his team of impeachment managers and their desperate defense of the constitution amid the rise of a distinctly American brand of autocracy.

 

[lpetrich]

Review of “Midnight in Washington: How We Almost Lost Our Democracy and Still Could” by Adam Schiff - The Washington Post

... “What took place inside our chamber, with the challenge to the electors, was every bit as much an attack on our democracy,” he asserts. “We can reinforce the doors and put up fences. But we cannot guard our democracy against those who walk the halls of Congress, have taken an oath to uphold our Constitution, but refuse to do so.”

In effect, there were two insurrections, not one, Schiff argues, and he is more interested in the insurrectionists wearing suits and ties than in the shirtless ones in buffalo horns. “We came so close to losing our democracy,” he writes, looking back on the varied political and legalistic efforts to overturn the 2020 vote and to convince the public that the contest was illegitimate. “The system held, if barely.”

... “Midnight in Washington” is more than just Schiff’s damning recitation of Trumpian offenses against American institutions. It is, overwhelmingly, a rebuke of Republican lawmakers and administration officials for letting it all happen, for failing to stand up to Trump. “The story of how good people were persuaded to abandon their beliefs and ideology, their dedication to something larger than themselves . . . is the one that I wish to tell,” Schiff writes.

Trump called him "Shifty Schiff" and "pencil neck" and AS responds:

Schiff never thought Trump would win his party’s presidential nomination — “I will forever be humbled by that blithe miscalculation,” he admits — and was shocked by how quickly congressional Republicans succumbed to the allure of influence and the new president’s demands. Schiff had worked well with Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) in the past, for instance, only to see his Intelligence Committee colleague bind himself ever more closely to the GOP’s new leader. Power does not necessarily corrupt, Schiff writes, but it does reveal, and the Trump presidency was a moment of revelation.

One has to marvel at what eager Trumpies many Republicans became. Trump got into office in his first election, and he was not a long-time Republican activist or campaigner or party functionary, yet many Republicans came to adore him.

Schiff hurls plenty of words at Trump — calling him “a petulant child,” “weak” and “unbalanced mentally” — and accuses him of politicizing America’s intelligence agencies and treating the Justice Department as his personal law firm. But Trump does not get all the credit, or blame, here. The Republican Party was already headed in the direction that he would take it.

According to Schiff, Exhibit A is Benghazi.

The Republicans considered that evidence of some great villainy on the part of Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, but in all their investigating, they never found anything.

 

[lpetrich]

The reviewer is annoyed by some of the book.

Schiff enjoys quoting himself at considerable length — his speeches on the House floor, his questioning of witnesses, his interventions during the impeachment trial — and although his words are often eloquent, the cumulative effect can be tedious. Equally distracting is his incessant praise for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She is “smart, strategic-thinking, and articulate”; she is “tenacious” and “intrepid”; and she was the “Supreme Allied Commander” of the impeachment trial, which she led with instincts that were “as good as any trial lawyer.”

But the reviewer liked how the book discussed mundane details like what to do about a witness who has lied in the past but whose testimony might prove crucial.

... Schiff warns that the Capitol insurrection was hardly the last gasp of Trumpism, and he views the proliferation of state legislative efforts to restrict voting rights as “nothing less than insurrection by other means.” Trump’s appeal drew from a mix of economic turmoil and racial prejudice, Schiff writes, but as soon as we begin to believe that our differences and inequities cannot be legitimately reconciled through an open electoral process — that is the moment democracy is lost. “Our present circumstances are desperate,” he writes, “but we do not have the luxury of despair.”

AS got inspiration from Senator Sam Ervin's report on the Watergate scandal, a similar sort of scandal with misbehavers in high places who included the President himself.

 

[Swammerdami]

Top Trump aides set to defy subpoenas in Capitol attack investigation | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
"Source says Meadows, Bannon and others will move to undercut House select committee inquiry – under instructions from Trump"

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot of litigation about this. It's a typical Trump tactic - litigate and litigate and litigate.

"The select committee had issued the subpoenas under the threat of criminal prosecution in the event of non-compliance, warning that the penalty for defying a congressional subpoena would be far graver under the Biden administration than during the Trump presidency."

In practical terms what exactly does this mean? Does the House Sergeant-at-Arms have deputies with guns and handcuffs who could and would be instructed to arrest the scofflaws? Would this be a job for Capitol Police?

I found this:

Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation).

*snip*

The criminal offense of contempt of Congress sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000 or less than $100.

I've got a similar question; as most Trumptards have migrated to Florida to be closer to their dear leader and that state has disenfranchisement laws, how likely will Trump supporters have their right to vote taken away from them if they are convicted of Contempt of Congress?

I just watched an Andersoon Cooper segment. It sounds like the subpoenas will be litigated very slowly. Some time in the late 2030's we can expect to see these documents turned over to the Ivanka Kushner Presidential Library.

I don't get it.

Subpoenas issued by a judge can be appealed to a higher judge, and so on. I get that. But these subpoenas weren't issued by any judge. They were issued by the Sovereign People of the United States in Congress Assembled. There is no "constitutional right" to appeal rulings of the House to some minor judge appointed by Moscow Mitch. Ms. Pelosi should send out the Sergeant's deputies with guns and handcuffs forthwith. Take a shotgun along in case there's trouble.

Can you imagine if the present Democrats were the Patriots of 1776? "Oh, the King said we have to pay the tea tax even if we don't want to. Well that settles that then." If these were the D's debating Truman's Marshall Plan, they would have held hearings for ten months, then sent a truckful of toilet paper and some popcorn.

I'm reminded of JFK's famous speech: "We choose to rename this post office and to do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are trivial."

Show some balls, Nancy. Heaven knows the males in your caucus won't.

 

[SLD]

I found this:

Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation).

*snip*

The criminal offense of contempt of Congress sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000 or less than $100.

I've got a similar question; as most Trumptards have migrated to Florida to be closer to their dear leader and that state has disenfranchisement laws, how likely will Trump supporters have their right to vote taken away from them if they are convicted of Contempt of Congress?

I just watched an Andersoon Cooper segment. It sounds like the subpoenas will be litigated very slowly. Some time in the late 2030's we can expect to see these documents turned over to the Ivanka Kushner Presidential Library.

I don't get it.

Subpoenas issued by a judge can be appealed to a higher judge, and so on. I get that. But these subpoenas weren't issued by any judge. They were issued by the Sovereign People of the United States in Congress Assembled. There is no "constitutional right" to appeal rulings of the House to some minor judge appointed by Moscow Mitch. Ms. Pelosi should send out the Sergeant's deputies with guns and handcuffs forthwith. Take a shotgun along in case there's trouble.

Can you imagine if the present Democrats were the Patriots of 1776? "Oh, the King said we have to pay the tea tax even if we don't want to. Well that settles that then." If these were the D's debating Truman's Marshall Plan, they would have held hearings for ten months, then sent a truckful of toilet paper and some popcorn.

I'm reminded of JFK's famous speech: "We choose to rename this post office and to do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are trivial."

Show some balls, Nancy. Heaven knows the males in your caucus won't.

Yeah, we are whistling in the dark at what is happening in our country and unless the Dems grow some balls, it will be too late by 2022. Most likely the repugs will take over both the house and senate in 2022. They won’t be able to replace Biden, but he will be impeached. Trump will demand it and his minions will follow. They have to. They will set the stage for a takeover in 2024. They are already altering state laws so that they can nullify their elections. The cons in SCOTUS will allow it. The Dems are just fucking naive as shit as to what’s going on.

Check this out: https://livingbluetx.com/2021/09/domestic-terrorist-next-door/

And you still think there won’t be a civil war?

 

[Elixir]

I just watched an Andersoon Cooper segment. It sounds like the subpoenas will be litigated very slowly. Some time in the late 2030's we can expect to see these documents turned over to the Ivanka Kushner Presidential Library.

I don't get it.

Subpoenas issued by a judge can be appealed to a higher judge, and so on. I get that. But these subpoenas weren't issued by any judge. They were issued by the Sovereign People of the United States in Congress Assembled. There is no "constitutional right" to appeal rulings of the House to some minor judge appointed by Moscow Mitch. Ms. Pelosi should send out the Sergeant's deputies with guns and handcuffs forthwith. Take a shotgun along in case there's trouble.

Can you imagine if the present Democrats were the Patriots of 1776? "Oh, the King said we have to pay the tea tax even if we don't want to. Well that settles that then." If these were the D's debating Truman's Marshall Plan, they would have held hearings for ten months, then sent a truckful of toilet paper and some popcorn.

I'm reminded of JFK's famous speech: "We choose to rename this post office and to do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are trivial."

Show some balls, Nancy. Heaven knows the males in your caucus won't.

Yeah, we are whistling in the dark at what is happening in our country and unless the Dems grow some balls, it will be too late by 2022. Most likely the repugs will take over both the house and senate in 2022. They won’t be able to replace Biden, but he will be impeached. Trump will demand it and his minions will follow. They have to. They will set the stage for a takeover in 2024. They are already altering state laws so that they can nullify their elections. The cons in SCOTUS will allow it. The Dems are just fucking naive as shit as to what’s going on.

Check this out: https://livingbluetx.com/2021/09/domestic-terrorist-next-door/

And you still think there won’t be a civil war?

I don't think so. The monied interests probably don't want one, and they usually get what they want.
Also, Democrats are not going to suddenly stop being entirely naive, so why bother?
The primrose path down which Democrats are led will be long, winding, full of promise and devoid of destination until it arrives at a 100% oligarch-controlled autocracy.
At that point, the autocracy declares the Democratic Party illegal. If any of them complain, they can be locked up or shot. Or both.

I do agree that right now it appears likely that Q-anon will be running Congress for the rest of Sleepy Joe's term, but the fat lady is only warming up.

 

[barbos]

This executive privilege BS, why does it have to take months for judges to rule on it?
What are they doing that is so important and ever-time-consuming that they can't find 5 minutes to print a ruling that basically states "Biden is a current president, deal with it!"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This executive privilege BS, why does it have to take months for judges to rule on it?
What are they doing that is so important and ever-time-consuming that they can't find 5 minutes to print a ruling that basically states "Biden is a current president, deal with it!"

Bureaucracy. DC is stuffed with it. There are so many layers, some self-insulating the White House itself. It is actually remarkable that Biden is not stepping in the way. And of course, if the GOP wins the White House and the House, they'll follow likewise and subpoena every document from the Biden Admin.

 

[barbos]

This executive privilege BS, why does it have to take months for judges to rule on it?
What are they doing that is so important and ever-time-consuming that they can't find 5 minutes to print a ruling that basically states "Biden is a current president, deal with it!"

Bureaucracy. DC is stuffed with it. There are so many layers, some self-insulating the White House itself. It is actually remarkable that Biden is not stepping in the way. And of course, if the GOP wins the White House and the House, they'll follow likewise and subpoena every document from the Biden Admin.

Biden is the President, he decided not to invoke executive privilege, the End!
Courts are not even part of the equation here, Biden needs to go the fucking archive and deliver these documents to Congress personally, that's his fucking privilege. Trump can sue him all he wants after the fact .... from his prison cell.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This executive privilege BS, why does it have to take months for judges to rule on it?
What are they doing that is so important and ever-time-consuming that they can't find 5 minutes to print a ruling that basically states "Biden is a current president, deal with it!"

Bureaucracy. DC is stuffed with it. There are so many layers, some self-insulating the White House itself. It is actually remarkable that Biden is not stepping in the way. And of course, if the GOP wins the White House and the House, they'll follow likewise and subpoena every document from the Biden Admin.

Biden is the President, he decided not to invoke executive privilege, the End!

Like I said, bureaucracy.. Biden is President, but he can't just undo stuff Trump did, within multiple areas directly within the Executive Branch. That governmental inertia also was what slowed Trump down with his attempt to enact all sorts of reversals in policies.

You don't have to agree with it, but that is how DC functions. It is probably the biggest reason why the US remains a functioning democracy today.

 

[barbos]

Biden is the President, he decided not to invoke executive privilege, the End!

Like I said, bureaucracy.. Biden is President, but he can't just undo stuff Trump did, within multiple areas directly within the Executive Branch. That governmental inertia also was what slowed Trump down with his attempt to enact all sorts of reversals in policies.

Nobody asks for reversal. I ask for stopping Trump being a president. He is no longer a president.

You don't have to agree with it, but that is how DC functions. It is probably the biggest reason why the US remains a functioning democracy today.

functioning? how the fuck it's functioning when overwhelmingly popular proposed laws are not able to pass?