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January 6 Hearings Live

The GOP didn't want to investigate 1/6 because they know the GOP Is grossly complicit with the Coup attempt. Trump tried to overthrow our election. There are memos, documents, and recordings proving this. It actually was worse that we suspected! A vast majority of the GOP in the House was in on the Coup. The GOP in the Senate, well, we'll never know. McConnell definitely toned it down after the whole needing to evacuate Congress thing. Trump's tweet during the violence was a call to murder the standing VP. We can't prove it, most likely, but that is what it was.

We know Trump tried to get PA, AZ, GA, MI, WI to reverse their results.
We know that the House GOP'ers were going to vote against the election results in those states.
We know that the Trump powers put together a rally and fomenting anger and rage, a "trial by combat" was needed to save our democracy.
When the Coup failed, Trump tried to rally his supporters to murder the VP, while other GOPers were tweeting the whereabouts of Nancy Pelosi.

The people involved in all of this need to be no less than impeached. And the worst thing that'll happen to them will just be the conclusion of the report saying they were guilty of doing bad things.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Patel said: "I am disappointed, but not surprised, that the Committee tried to subpoena me through the press and violated longstanding protocol
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Uh huh... The GOP has shown their dedication to protocol. Inventing one to steal a Supreme Court seat from Obama, then jettisoning it to gain another seat for Trump.

The whole Trump Administration ignored and violated protocols, traditions, and laws, and exulted in that. So, you know, fuck that.
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This.
Along with eroding basic American institutions, like SCOTUS and EC, has set new standards for autocratic presidents.
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Trump Campaign Knew Lawyers' Dominion Claims Were Baseless, Memo Shows - The New York Times - "Days before lawyers allied with Donald Trump gave a news conference promoting election conspiracy theories, his campaign had determined that many of those claims were false, court filings reveal."

The document itself: Read the Trump campaign’s internal memo - The New York Times
Even though the memo was hastily assembled, it rebutted a series of allegations that Ms. Powell and others were making in public. It found:
  • That Dominion did not use voting technology from the software company, Smartmatic, in the 2020 election.
  • That Dominion had no direct ties to Venezuela or to Mr. Soros.
  • And that there was no evidence that Dominion’s leadership had connections to left-wing “antifa” activists, as Ms. Powell and others had claimed.
As Mr. Coomer’s lawyers wrote in their motion in the defamation suit, “The memo produced by the Trump campaign shows that, at least internally, the Trump campaign found there was no evidence to support the conspiracy theories regarding Dominion” and Mr. Coomer.
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From the looks of it, Trump's lawyers fully deserve being subjected to Dominion's defamation lawsuit. It's almost as if they themselves confessed that their legal cases were fraudulent. At the very list, they deserve to be disbarred for that.
 
Mr. Trump continues to falsely argue that the election was stolen from him, and in recent months Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani have stuck by their claims that the election was rife with fraud. A lawyer for Mr. Giuliani said in a court filing last month that at least some of his claims of election fraud were “substantially true.”

And as recently as three weeks ago, Ms. Powell told a reporter for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that the 2020 election was “essentially a bloodless coup where they took over the presidency of the United States without a single shot being fired.”
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What's going on here? Was it some other staffers who prepared those memos? Did they come to believe their own lies?
 
Opinion | Our constitutional crisis is already here - The Washington Post
The United States is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the Civil War, with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. The warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. But about these things there should be no doubt:

First, Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. ...

Second, Trump and his Republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. ...

Meanwhile, the amateurish “stop the steal” efforts of 2020 have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that Trump and his supporters will have the control over state and local election officials that they lacked in 2020. ...

The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power.
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Over 1855 - 1859, there were fights between pro-slavery and anti-slavery settlers in the then-territory of Kansas, making it "Bleeding Kansas". Is the Jan. 6 insurrection the beginning of similar strife?
Most Americans — and all but a handful of politicians — have refused to take this possibility seriously enough to try to prevent it. As has so often been the case in other countries where fascist leaders arise, their would-be opponents are paralyzed in confusion and amazement at this charismatic authoritarian. They have followed the standard model of appeasement, which always begins with underestimation. The political and intellectual establishments in both parties have been underestimating Trump since he emerged on the scene in 2015. They underestimated the extent of his popularity and the strength of his hold on his followers; they underestimated his ability to take control of the Republican Party; and then they underestimated how far he was willing to go to retain power. The fact that he failed to overturn the 2020 election has reassured many that the American system remains secure, though it easily could have gone the other way — if Biden had not been safely ahead in all four states where the vote was close; if Trump had been more competent and more in control of the decision-makers in his administration, Congress and the states. As it was, Trump came close to bringing off a coup earlier this year. All that prevented it was a handful of state officials with notable courage and integrity, and the reluctance of two attorneys general and a vice president to obey orders they deemed inappropriate.
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Another reason that he may have been underestimated is focus on his personality alone. But even the most autocratic dictators don't rule alone. They need underlings who are happy to follow The Leader's orders and flesh out what The Leader has in mind. Although Trump seems neither very smart nor very diligent, he has underlings who are more than happy to fill in those gaps.

There's a lot that the Founders didn't anticipate, like the rise of national parties, and the checks and balances that they talked about depend on politicians being willing to apply them. Like Congressional Republicans refusing to discipline then-President Trump.

Judging from those who expressed an opinion on the subject, they didn't even like political parties.
 
Trumpism has plenty of predecessors over US history, most recently the Tea Party movement.
Suspicion of and hostility toward the federal government; racial hatred and fear; a concern that modern, secular society undermines religion and traditional morality; economic anxiety in an age of rapid technological change; class tensions, with subtle condescension on one side and resentment on the other; distrust of the broader world, especially Europe, and its insidious influence in subverting American freedom — such views and attitudes have been part of the fabric of U.S. politics since the anti-Federalists, the Whiskey Rebellion and Thomas Jefferson. The Democratic Party was the home of white supremacists until they jumped to George Wallace in 1968 and later to the Republicans.
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Then the cult of personality around Trump, something that goes beyond what has happened before.
Even Reagan was criticized by conservatives for selling out conservative principles, for deficit spending, for his equivocal stance on abortion, for being “soft” on the Soviet Union.

Trump is different, which is one reason the political system has struggled to understand, much less contain, him.

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They view Trump as strong and defiant, willing to take on the establishment, Democrats, RINOs, liberal media, antifa, the Squad, Big Tech and the “Mitch McConnell Republicans.”
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Yet Mitch McConnell bailed him out three times, twice in impeachment and once in the would-be bipartisan 1/6 Commission.
Unlike establishment Republicans, Trump speaks without embarrassment on behalf of an aggrieved segment of Americans, not exclusively White, who feel they have been taking it on the chin for too long. And that is all he needs to do.
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An important part of democracy is being a good loser, and Trump has been anything but a good loser. Even a Trumpie like Larry Elder was a better loser than he was.
For a movement built around a cult of personality, these adjustments are not possible. For Trump supporters, the “error” is that Trump was cheated out of reelection by what he has told them is an oppressive, communist, Democrat regime. While the defeat of a sitting president normally leads to a struggle to claim the party’s mantle, so far no Republican has been able to challenge Trump’s grip on Republican voters: not Sen. Josh Hawley, not Sen. Tom Cotton, not Tucker Carlson, not Gov. Ron DeSantis. It is still all about Trump.
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This leads to the question of who will succeed Trump.
 
The guy who wrote that plan for coup. Why is he still not arrested? And Lindsey Graham, who I understand got that memo and did nothing, what's up with that? People need to be at least expelled from the Senate/Congress.
 
Trump has returned to the explosive rhetoric of that day, insisting that he won in a “landslide,” that the “radical left Democrat communist party” stole the presidency in the “most corrupt, dishonest, and unfair election in the history of our country” and that they have to give it back.

... Looking ahead to 2022 and 2024, Trump insists “there is no way they win elections without cheating. There’s no way.” So, if the results come in showing another Democratic victory, Trump’s supporters will know what to do. Just as “generations of patriots” gave “their sweat, their blood and even their very lives” to build America, Trump tells them, so today “we have no choice. We have to fight” to restore “our American birthright.”
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What grotesque victimhood and historical illiteracy.

Republican leaders got much of what they wanted in the Trump Admin. "Yet Trump’s triumph also had elements of a hostile takeover. The movement’s passion was for Trump, not the party." He defeated several prominent Republicans in the primaries, Republicans which the party establishment would likely have preferred.
Unlike other insurgent leaders, Trump had not spent time in the political wilderness building a party and surrounding himself with loyalists. He had to choose from an existing pool of Republican officials, who varied in their willingness to do his bidding. The GOP establishment hoped that the presence of “adults” would restrain him, protecting their traditional agenda and, in their view, the country’s interests, from his worst instincts.
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But the "adults" were then run off for not being sufficiently loyal to Trump.

This takeover extended to conservative publications and conservative donors and the like, and they meekly fell into line rather than lose customers and access.
Whatever they thought about Trump, moreover, Republican elders disliked Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the Democrats more. Again, this is not so unusual. German conservatives accommodated Adolf Hitler in large part because they opposed the socialists more than they opposed the Nazis, who, after all, shared many of their basic prejudices. As for conservative intellectuals, even those who had spent years arguing that Woodrow Wilson was a tyrant because he created the Federal Reserve and supported child labor laws seemed to have no concerns about whether Trump was a would-be despot.
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One has to marvel at how much they have been willing to betray their principles to support Trump. One would expect them to support some Mitt Romney sort of politician, but they don't.
 
lpetrich said:
What grotesque victimhood and historical illiteracy.

Republican leaders got much of what they wanted in the Trump Admin. "Yet Trump’s triumph also had elements of a hostile takeover. The movement’s passion was for Trump, not the party." He defeated several prominent Republicans in the primaries, Republicans which the party establishment would likely have preferred.

But the "adults" were then run off for not being sufficiently loyal to Trump.

This takeover extended to conservative publications and conservative donors and the like, and they meekly fell into line rather than lose customers and access.
Whatever they thought about Trump, moreover, Republican elders disliked Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the Democrats more. Again, this is not so unusual. German conservatives accommodated Adolf Hitler in large part because they opposed the socialists more than they opposed the Nazis, who, after all, shared many of their basic prejudices. As for conservative intellectuals, even those who had spent years arguing that Woodrow Wilson was a tyrant because he created the Federal Reserve and supported child labor laws seemed to have no concerns about whether Trump was a would-be despot.
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One has to marvel at how much they have been willing to betray their principles to support Trump. One would expect them to support some Mitt Romney sort of politician, but they don't.
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It’s extraordinarily scary, and one wonders what might have happened had Pence and a handful of others not stood up to Trump. What if Pence had refused to certify the disputed states and tried to have the election thrown into the house where Republicans would have elected Donald Trump. I suspect that the Supreme Court would have stepped in and allowed the charade to proceed. Then we would be truly on the verge of a fascist dictatorship effectively. What next? Civil war? Or do the Democrats, being pussies that they are, lay down and take it?

Will it happen again?

What options do we really have to prevent this from happening in the future?

BTW, I read the WAPO article and that is what prompted me to predict a Civil War for 2025 in PD. I just don’t see these fucktards from accepting the results of the 2024 re-election of Biden. Trump will call for a full fledged insurrection and they will follow him to hell. And it will be.
 
lpetrich said:
One has to marvel at how much they have been willing to betray their principles to support Trump. One would expect them to support some Mitt Romney sort of politician, but they don't.
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And all of it predictable, and actually predicted for at least the last century. Conservative ideology contains all the elements of fascism and it takes very little to ignite the worst of human behavior in a group of conservatives.
 
SLD said:
BTW, I read the WAPO article and that is what prompted me to predict a Civil War for 2025 in PD. I just don’t see these fucktards from accepting the results of the 2024 re-election of Biden. Trump will call for a full fledged insurrection and they will follow him to hell. And it will be.
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One "simple" way to ensure control is not to control government, but the courts. The McConnell maneuvers on SCOTUS have irreparably harmed the US. Voting Rights aren't quite rights, businesses can find religion, bribing is free speech. This is all done.

Next will be Abortion isn't privacy (or whatever BS justification they provide for it). Gerrymandering gets the thumbs up. And finally, they'll find the constitutional right to religiously endorsed discrimination.

Kind of moving towards the Two Americas, the 21st Century one and the 19th Century one.
 
January 6 committee targets organizers of Stop the Steal rally in latest batch of subpoenas - CNNPolitics
The select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection has issued its second round of subpoenas, this time targeting individuals involved in the planning and organization of the "Stop the Steal" rally that served as a prelude to the riot at the US Capitol and other rallies organized in the lead up to the day of the attack.

The subpoenas went out Wednesday to 11 individuals who were affiliated with the organization, Women for America First, which had held the permit for the rally that preceded the riot on January 6. Women for America First also held rallies in Freedom Plaza in November and December of 2020, as well as two "March for Trump" bus tours that went nationwide seeking to generate interest in the organization's Washington rallies. The requests show the committee has a particular interest in seeking what coordination the group may have had with the White House in its planning and as part of the larger Stop the Steal movement.

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The committee is seeking to learn about the organization's involvement with the White House, writing in the subpoenas: "According to press reports, you, and others working with you and WFAF to organize the January 6th rally, collectively communicated with President Trump, White House officials including Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and others about the rally and other events planned to coincide with the certification of the 2020 Electoral College results."
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January 6 rioter who said she looked for Pelosi 'to shoot her in the friggin' brain' pleads guilty to misdemeanor for illegally protesting - CNNPolitics
Doylestown gym owner Dawn Bancroft entered the guilty plea in DC District Court and was immediately dressed down by a federal judge, who called the violent rhetoric caught in a video selfie "disturbing."

"That's really troubling. It's horrible. It's outrageous," District Judge Emmet Sullivan said, before turning his attention to federal prosecutors and asking, "Does it not rise to the level of a threat?"

The Justice Department lawyers said they hadn't charged Bancroft with threatening Pelosi, a California Democrat who's the speaker of the House, because Bancroft had uttered the comment while she was exiting the Capitol, potentially making it harder to prove that the threat to Pelosi was serious.
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A lot of the Capitol attackers have been doing plea bargains like that.
 
“We’re not going to be able to hold that base”: Park Police overwhelmed hours before Capitol breach on Jan 6th - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Newly obtained recordings show US Park Police overwhelmed on January 6, hours before rioters attacked the Capitol, with insufficient resources and action taken to control the fray across the city.

Seven hours of radio recordings from Park Police, obtained and reviewed by CREW, reveal a law enforcement agency inundated with risks before then-President Trump even gave his fateful speech, with thousands of unattended vehicles and bags, mobs of protestors at the Lincoln Memorial and Washington Monument and armed individuals.

The recordings also make plain the difference in response between the hands off approach taken with pro-Trump protestors who would later attack the Capitol and the violent action taken against peaceful protestors for racial justice in Lafayette Square seven months earlier.

As the day went on, the tapes make it abundantly clear that USPP was unprepared for the threat of a riot, lacking manpower, plans and supplies, including radio batteries. They got so overwhelmed during the attack on the Capitol itself that after an officer was attacked with a pipe, USPP could not make the arrest, wishing instead for another agency to step in: “Not making any arrests up here, we cannot afford to lose the personnel up here.”
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And Trumpies claim that they love cops.
 
I just learned that Louis DeJoy is STILL the U.S. Postmaster-General; Trump and QOPAnon have rigged things so it is very hard to replace him. DeJoy is the Postmaster who tried to prevent D's from voting via mail, who sabotaged the USPS in several ways, and has profiteered from corrupt USPS contracts. Prior to his Postmaster role he illegally coerced employees of his private company to donate to the Republican Party. Even more egregiously, as Postmaster he acted illegally to help mail out lies intended to discourage Ds from voting.

Yet he is still Postmaster-General! :(

What other Trump-QOPAnon sabotage is still on-going?
 
The beginning of this video may be a good watch. A top intellectual of QOPAnon patiently explains what's wrong with Democratic policies.

[YOUTUBE]rZN5vSbhsRU[/YOUTUBE]
 
Swammerdami said:
The beginning of this video may be a good watch. A top intellectual of QOPAnon patiently explains what's wrong with Democratic policies.

[YOUTUBE]rZN5vSbhsRU[/YOUTUBE]
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Makes more sense like this.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZFt9KUvYs8[/YOUTUBE]
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
SLD said:
BTW, I read the WAPO article and that is what prompted me to predict a Civil War for 2025 in PD. I just don’t see these fucktards from accepting the results of the 2024 re-election of Biden. Trump will call for a full fledged insurrection and they will follow him to hell. And it will be.
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One "simple" way to ensure control is not to control government, but the courts. The McConnell maneuvers on SCOTUS have irreparably harmed the US. Voting Rights aren't quite rights, businesses can find religion, bribing is free speech. This is all done.

Next will be Abortion isn't privacy (or whatever BS justification they provide for it). Gerrymandering gets the thumbs up. And finally, they'll find the constitutional right to religiously endorsed discrimination.

Kind of moving towards the Two Americas, the 21st Century one and the 19th Century one.
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The Irresistible Force and the Immovable Object

Only secession will create two Americas: Great America and Ingrate America. Since Lefties believe that America was never great and has been all about THOSE HORRIBLE WHITE PEOPLE!!!, guess which one you'll be moved to.
 
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