January 6 Hearings Live

[barbos]

Subpoena all their Foxy asses.
Also Congress should postpone all Congress elections until work is done.
No running up the clock.
Also Trump should be sent to prison retroactively, all his judges recalled and Hillary Clinton gets to be a president after Biden.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Subpoena all their Foxy asses.

Meh. They'll show up with their 400 lawyers and scream first and fifth amendments into the microphone. While FOX plays an interview with the VP's former hair dresser's roommate's boyfriend.

Also Congress should postpone all Congress elections until work is done.

Does Congress have that power? I'm thinking that stopping elections is something the GOP would make much hay out of in the elections that eventually come.

No running up the clock.

Nice idea. Teensy bit fascist.

Also Trump should be sent to prison retroactively,

Retroactive to what? Don't get me wrong, i want the fat fuck in prison but only after a trial, where all his crimes (or a select few, like Al Capone) are aired, prosecuted, judged.

all his judges recalled

I could see conducting an actual background check on his nominees, and impeaching them, but there's no method of 'recall' that i know of.

and Hillary Clinton gets to be a president after Biden.

No. The office isn't just a compensation award. This is the same logic Clownstick used, that he was so unfairly treated in office he deserved a second term just in fairness.

 

[barbos]

Retroactive to what?

Trump University.

The office isn't just a compensation award.

She won elections twice, first because she won popular vote and second because Trump was retroactively in prison.

 

[barbos]

I could see conducting an actual background check on his nominees, and impeaching them, but there's no method of 'recall' that i know of.

They can't be judges because they were not confirmed by the Congress because Congress republicans were retroactively in prison for coup attempt.
Everything Trump did should be reverted back.

 

[lpetrich]

Mark Meadows: House votes to recommend criminal contempt charges against Trump ex-chief of staff | US Capitol attack | The Guardian - "Move comes after senior Trump figure ceased cooperating with panel investigating Capitol attack"

The approval marks the first time the House has voted to hold a former member in contempt since the 1830s, according to the chamber’s records.

It is the latest show of force by the 6 January panel, which is leaving no angle unexplored as it investigates the worst attack on the Capitol in more than 200 years. Lawmakers are determined to get answers quickly, and in so doing reassert the congressional authority that Trump eroded while in office.

noting
Trump Jr and Fox News hosts begged Meadows to help stop Capitol attack, texts show | US Capitol attack | The Guardian
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CSPAN on Twitter: "Full @RepLizCheney statement on holding Mark Meadows in contempt, including texts from Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Brian Kilmeade and others:

"These text messages leave no doubt...multiple Fox News hosts knew the president needed to act immediately. They texted Mr. Meadows." (vid link)" / Twitter

“We need an Oval address,” Trump Jr wrote as his father’s supporters were storming the Capitol, sending members of Congress running for their lives and delaying the certification of Joe Biden’s victory. “He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand.”

Trump Jr added: “He’s got to condemn this shit asap.”

In response, Meadows texted: “I’m pushing it hard. I agree.”

Some big Trump supporters at Fox News, Laura Ingraham, Brian Kilmeade, and Sean Hannity, also begged MM to get Trump to stop the attacks. But they later spread falsehoods about the attacks like Antifa being involved.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, I did not expect that from Don Jr.
It's all theater, they all knew what was and is going on.
FoxNews critters don't believe anything they are saying, it's all for ratings among braindead americans.

As a reminder, Ivanka worked in the White House, not Jr. The messages from the GOP and Fox News are definitely interesting, and damning.

They created this mess, then begged Trump to tell the people to stop, and when it was done, they worked on making the mess bigger. And these messages flatly expose them for the flaming hypocrites we knew them to be.

It's even worse and I almost want to start a separate thread, but it's such a narrow, nuanced thing to write about...

Here's the thing. If you examine the texts, here's what they don't say:

• Democracy is being undermined.
• Property is being damaged and even worse people are being hurt.
• Blue Lives Matter.
• If you don't stop it, I'm covering it negatively and telling these people to stop myself right now as it is my duty.
• People are being murdered.

Instead, most of the motivation for the texts seems to be about "image" of how Twitler and/or Fox News & Friends hosts will be perceived:

• "Destroying everything you have accomplished."
• "This is hurting all of us. [Trump] is destroying his legacy."

It really shows how they are one team, imploring Dear Leader Trump to act for sake of image and longevity of careers and so forth. And what about "personal responsibility," I mean they are sitting back asking someone else to do something in an emergency, not taking personal action, but again the way they define emergency is by image and they are probably thinking about how they will handle "damage control" in their next segment. The way they chose to frame these text messages is either evidence they know they are dealing with a transactional narcissist and have to frame their arguments this way or they are truly shallow, self-centered people. Given a holistic view of everything else, I'd say both are true.

That is exactly the point. They were trying to reason with Trump's ego, not his humanity (of which he has none).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Instead, most of the motivation for the texts seems to be about "image" of how Twitler and/or Fox News & Friends hosts will be perceived:

• "Destroying everything you have accomplished."
• "This is hurting all of us. [Trump] is destroying his legacy."

It really shows how they are one team,

No, this was never a team. more of a Venn diagram of very partial overlaps. Florida Man never really had a plan, or a mandate. He was just put in place to make the libs cry.
Everyone else associated with him didn't support him as much as they saw an opportunity to slip their agenda in where Twitler either wouldn't see or didn't care.
At the end, everyone's still looking for how THEIR fortunes will be affected in the near future and long-term. But after four years, the people still on the train were those that tried to couch their goals in terms Fuckface would accept.
Thus, "MY options will be limited" is the message, but 'your legacy is being destroyed' is how they pronounced it.

Or "We could go to prison for inciting a riot!"

 

[Gospel]

Looking forward to the day our electors grow some balls and take the power of the electoral college back from the two ruling parties of pricks by collectively voting for someone else.

Asha Rangappa on Twitter: "BTW, it’s not just that FOX News hosts blamed Antifa while privately imploring Trump to stop riot that same day. The network made a three-part “documentary” *a month ago* claiming that Jan. 6 was a false flag operation BY THE FBI …and not one of those anchors has disavowed it" / Twitter

Newly-Released Text Messages Show That On January 6, Fox News Anchors Privately Begged WH Chief Of Staff To Make Trump Stop The Riot

• "The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home." -- Laura Ingraham text to Mark Meadows, Jan 6
• "Please, get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished." Brian Kilmeade text to Mark Meadows, Jan 6
• "Can he make a statement, ask people to leave the Capitol?" Sean Hannity text to Mark Meadows, Jan 6

...while at the same time, those anchors were publicly lying about who was to blame:

• "There are some reports that antifa sympathizers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd." -- Laura Ingraham to Fox News viewers, Jan 6
• "I do not know Trump supporters that have ever demonstrated violence." Brian Kilmeade to Fox News viewers, Jan 6
• "Reports that groups like antifa, other radical groups ... that they were there to cause trouble." Sean Hannity to his radio listeners, Jan 6

Faux News.

All this reminds me of the shows my mother used to love watching when I was a kid. As the World Turns & All My Children. So much manufactured drama that hardly ever reflects reality. If our leaders would spend as much energy working together to answer the call of their constituents and less energy on Twitter, Facebook & Camera we might start getting actual news.

Edit: To clarify I do not mean to say they aren't working at all (though I'm inclined to think so at times) I'm saying that social media and news outlets work to undermine efforts to reach compromise (what the US Government operates the best on btw).

 

[Elixir]

Watch A Reporter Call Out Marjorie Taylor Greene For Supporting Domestic Terrorists More Than The Capitol Police
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Acyn on Twitter: "Reporter: I don’t remember you holding a press conference for the unusually cruel treatment of Capitol Police officers (vid link)" / Twitter

MTG responded

You may not remember a particular press conference about police officers, but I have made many public statements and cried out against all violence against police officers for the BL- yes, yes for the police officers, specifically for the Capitol Police here.

Congressman Gohmert sponsored a bill that I co-sponsored with him wanting to give, you know, medals of honor to award them for how they were treated during the January 6 riot, but also extend it to police officers all across the country. I am not going to separate them. I am very supportive of our police, and I have consistently denounced the violence here, so do not go down that route.

In effect, "All Lives Matter".

"All lives matter until they come between our Donald and the Presidency."

 

[lpetrich]

H.Res.730 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Recommending that the House of Representatives find Stephen K. Bannon in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena duly issued by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Oct 21, 2021, 04:09 PM | 117th Congress, 1st Session - Roll Call 329 | Bill Number: H. Res. 730
D: Y 220
R: Y 9, N 202, nv 1
Tot: Y 229, N 202, nv 1
Republican Yes votes: Cheney WY, Fitzpatrick PA, Gonzalez OH, Herrera Beutler WA, Katko NY, Kinzinger IL, Mace SC, Meijer MI, Upton MI

H.Res.851 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Recommending that the House of Representatives find Mark Randall Meadows in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena duly issued by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Dec 14, 2021, 11:03 PM | 117th Congress, 1st Session - Roll Call 447 | Bill Number: H. Res. 851
D: Y 222
R: Y 2, N 208, nv 3
Tot: Y 224, N 208, nv 3
Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were the only Republicans to vote yes.

 

[ZiprHead]

Two longtime conservative Fox News commentators have resigned in protest of what they call a pattern of incendiary and fabricated claims by the network's opinion hosts in support of former President Donald Trump.

In separate interviews with NPR, Stephen Hayes and Jonah Goldberg pointed to a breaking point this month: network star Tucker Carlson's three-part series on the Jan. 6 siege of the U.S. Capitol, which relied on fabrications and conspiracy theories to exonerate the Trump supporters who participated in the attack.

"It's basically saying that the Biden regime is coming after half the country and this is the War on Terror 2.0," Goldberg tells NPR. "It traffics in all manner of innuendo and conspiracy theories that I think legitimately could lead to violence. That for me, and for Steve, was the last straw."

Hayes has been a close friend of Fox News political anchor Bret Baier since their college days at DePauw University; both he and Goldberg were mainstays of Baier's Special Report after joining the network in 2009. Together, Hayes and Goldberg co-founded the conservative news site The Dispatch.


According to five people with direct knowledge, the resignations reflect larger tumult within Fox News over Carlson's series Patriot Purge and his increasingly strident stances, and over the network's willingness to let its opinion stars make false, paranoid claims against President Biden, his administration and his supporters.

 

[barbos]

So that message was from Jim Jordan, nice.

 

[jab]

Yeah, I did not expect that from Don Jr.
It's all theater, they all knew what was and is going on.
FoxNews critters don't believe anything they are saying, it's all for ratings among braindead americans.

The tweet by Don Jr., who was whipping up the insurrectionists earlier in the day?
--plausible deniability

 

[lpetrich]

No Consequences linked to what is purportedly a copy of that coup memo: a PDF made from a presentation file: Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN - voter-fraud.pdf

Date: January 5, 2021

Talking Points

• The Chinese systematically gained control over our election system constituting a national security emergency
• The electronic voting machines were compromised and cannot be trusted to provide an accurate vote count
• To restore confidence the “failsafe” of counting the paper ballots must be used to determine who won the election for President, Senators, Congressional Representatives
• - Hand counts reported by the media are not really hand counts and easily subverted

Claiming:

Irregularities in 2020 Election

• Donald J. Trump was winning by a significant margin across all key states Nov 3 evening.
• Vote counting stopped in key states where Smartmatic software and either ES&S or Dominion machines were used.
• When reporting resumed a massive spike occurred that favored Joe Biden and exceeded the counting capabilities that were on hand in many cases.

and claiming evidence in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia

Election Fraud and Foreign Interference:
One Tactic that is part of a larger Strategic Plan
Other tactics include riots, threats, censorship, looting, etc.

China has leveraged financial, non-governmental and foreign allies including Venezuela to acquire INFLUENCE and CONTROL US Voting Infrastructure in at least 28 States.

Critical Infrastructure control utilized as part of ongoing globalist/socialist operation to subvert the will of United States Voters and install a China ally.

Then a very tenuous sort of claimed connection.

Chinese Communist Party (CCP) FINANCIAL CONTROL of Dominion Voting Machines

CCP CONTROL OF TESTING for Smartmatic Software Operating Dominion Voting Machines

More tenuous connections.

Perpetrators

• Local Zealots – illegal ballot harvesting, illegal voter roles, counterfeit mail-in and absentee ballots, and illegal adjudication changes
• Electronic Voting machines that shift votes from one candidate to another either through an algorithm or adjudications
• Foreign Actors that shift votes and/or add votes all across the country either through adjudications or outright database overwrites
• In this election, all 3 demonstrably occurred, but not necessarily in a coordinated fashion

Then claiming that Trump will win if one only counts the paper ballots.

Then stating:

• Top 6 Contested States: Pennsylvania, WIsconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada
• Peripheral States: Minnesota, New Mexico, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Texas

Then claiming more evidence of election fraud.

 

[Elixir]

Is there a word for falsely claiming evidence of a crime?

 

[ZiprHead]

Is there a word for falsely claiming evidence of a crime?

Bullshit?

 

[SLD]

I keep wondering what would’ve happened had Pence gone along with Trump? If it had been thrown into the House (which I’m not sure how he could’ve done that) then each state would have had a vote. But for Trump to win he’d have to have almost perfect party loyalty. Would Lynn Cheney, the sole representative from Wyoming have gone along with this? A few other Republicans in key swing states? Gonzalez in Ohio? I wonder if it would’ve worked?

 

[barbos]

I keep wondering what would’ve happened had Pence gone along with Trump? If it had been thrown into the House (which I’m not sure how he could’ve done that) then each state would have had a vote. But for Trump to win he’d have to have almost perfect party loyalty. Would Lynn Cheney, the sole representative from Wyoming have gone along with this? A few other Republicans in key swing states? Gonzalez in Ohio? I wonder if it would’ve worked?

I think the idea was to have results overturned only in states which he lost.
That's what Jim Jordan message to Meadows says.

 

[SLD]

I keep wondering what would’ve happened had Pence gone along with Trump? If it had been thrown into the House (which I’m not sure how he could’ve done that) then each state would have had a vote. But for Trump to win he’d have to have almost perfect party loyalty. Would Lynn Cheney, the sole representative from Wyoming have gone along with this? A few other Republicans in key swing states? Gonzalez in Ohio? I wonder if it would’ve worked?

I think the idea was to have results overturned only in states which he lost.
That's what Jim Jordan message to Meadows says.

But it would’ve thrown the election in to the House, where each state has one vote.

 

[barbos]

I keep wondering what would’ve happened had Pence gone along with Trump? If it had been thrown into the House (which I’m not sure how he could’ve done that) then each state would have had a vote. But for Trump to win he’d have to have almost perfect party loyalty. Would Lynn Cheney, the sole representative from Wyoming have gone along with this? A few other Republicans in key swing states? Gonzalez in Ohio? I wonder if it would’ve worked?

I think the idea was to have results overturned only in states which he lost.
That's what Jim Jordan message to Meadows says.

But it would’ve thrown the election in to the House, where each state has one vote.

Why?