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January 6 Hearings Live


A former police captain with the Houston Police Department was indicted on Tuesday for allegedly holding an innocent AC repairman at gunpoint over a baseless voter fraud claim that Hispanic children were signing ballots. Mark Anthony Aguirre, 64, faces a count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, records show.

“According to Aguirre, he had been conducting surveillance on the victim for four days under a theory the victim was the mastermind of a giant fraud, and there were 750,000 fraudulent ballots in a truck he was driving,” the Office of the Harris County District Attorney said. “Instead, the victim turned out to be an innocent and ordinary air conditioner repairman.”

Aguirre rammed his SUV into the back of the victim’s truck to force him to stop in the Oct. 19, 2020 incident, prosecutors said. The repairman stepped out, but Aguirre pointed a gun at him, forced him to the ground, and put a knee on the man’s back, authorities said.

There were no ballots in the truck — only air conditioning parts and tools, the D.A.’s office said.

Aguirre got $266,400 from the right-wing group Liberty Center for God and Country to do his work, authorities said.
He should sue the Liberty Center for God and Country for sure. As well as this asshole. Shoot, how I do sign up for this $266,400. I would have just followed the guy and did nothing to him. Then gotten my $266K and split!
 
And now there’s this story. Three generals warn that the military is as divided as the country, and the 2024 could trigger a serious crisis in the ranks. This is frightening. I really hope Trump is dead by 2024.
What WILL happen if Trump is too incontinent to participate in 2024? The QOP-Koch-Putin putsch for fascism doesn't depend on him — in fact most of the Big Money donors will probably be much happier to finance the fascist take-over if they don't have to worry about that emotionally stunted brat.

But who will they get as a front-man to substitute for Trump, much of whose charm is that his face resembles Benito Mussolini's when he gloats or sneers? Eric and Junior are worthless, and Melania is ineligible. Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones won't want to give up their multi-million dollar gigs. Ted Cruz acts like a cuck. Does QOPAnon have anyone ready in the bull-pen besides Ron DeSantis? Brett Kavanagh? Matt Gaetz?

So it is a "riot" right now. So in another 72 hours it'll become an Antifa conspiracy... then a few bad apples, then Pelosi responsible, back to a riot that shouldn't have happened...
Contradictory lies are no problem as long as they're cycled more slowly than a moron's attention span. Sure a few of the QOPAnon drones know it's all lies, but they don't care. No lie or crime is too far if it restores the America they love, when states would help with racist lynchings and the feds knew their only job was to hold Benghazi hearings.
 
Another scary article from a respected journal.


if Trump loses, by any margin, and is unable to overturn the results through legal or political means, it seems likely Republicans will declare the election fraudulent. In 2020, the conviction—against all evidence—that Trump had the presidency stolen from him brought an insurrectionist mob to the U.S. Capitol. The mob was mostly unarmed, undoubtedly thanks to Washington D.C.'s strict gun-control laws. In 2024, that sort of mob, which will have been fed for four years on false claims of a "Big Steal" and exhortations to fight back against tyranny, will likely be far, far larger. If gun-control laws are weakened by the Supreme Court, they will also likely be heavily armed.

I am a bit skeptical of this scenario playing out. The Biden Administration wouldn’t likely be so unprepared to handle this mob. Trump won’t have the machinery of government to keep the response to minimal as he did before. A strong show of force will likely deter any such group from doing this. DC is not friendly to Trump, nor Northern Virginia. They may be as unwelcome as the mob led Beauregard 160 years ago was. Thus they may not make it to DC or if they did might find themselves vastly outnumbered.

Of far more concern is the scenario described in the article, where Republican legislatures with Republican governors in key battleground states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, overturning the will of the voters and either refusing to certify the election results or worse, placing an alternate slate of electors in place.

With the Republicans in charge of the Supreme Court, they’re likely to approve such a move. Then Democrats will either have to declare for civil war or be permanently a minority party despite being in the majority of people.

But the military leadership would likely fall behind the Supreme Court’s ruling in such a scenario. I don’t know though if all would. One could expect massive violent resistance in places like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. But also California and many other places, particularly cities even in conservative states like Alabama and North Carolina. The Civil War may not be so much of an armed conflict but a descent into chaos and violence. We may see numerous assassination attempts on governors in those states. DC would likely have to shut down. Massive government workers would likely rebel, even sabotage the machinery of government. Imagine what would happen if Social Security and Medicare stopped. Wall Street would likely collapse. There may be a true occupy Wall Street scenario.

I hate to say it, but that might actually work. Trump would be powerless. The economy would collapse and he’d take the blame. Maybe the elections of 2026 would put enough Democrats back in power to block future atte,pts lie this. I don’t know.

I still see the only way out is Trump’s death.
 
Another scary article from a respected journal.


if Trump loses, by any margin, and is unable to overturn the results through legal or political means, it seems likely Republicans will declare the election fraudulent. In 2020, the conviction—against all evidence—that Trump had the presidency stolen from him brought an insurrectionist mob to the U.S. Capitol. The mob was mostly unarmed, undoubtedly thanks to Washington D.C.'s strict gun-control laws. In 2024, that sort of mob, which will have been fed for four years on false claims of a "Big Steal" and exhortations to fight back against tyranny, will likely be far, far larger. If gun-control laws are weakened by the Supreme Court, they will also likely be heavily armed.

I am a bit skeptical of this scenario playing out. The Biden Administration wouldn’t likely be so unprepared to handle this mob. Trump won’t have the machinery of government to keep the response to minimal as he did before. A strong show of force will likely deter any such group from doing this. DC is not friendly to Trump, nor Northern Virginia. They may be as unwelcome as the mob led Beauregard 160 years ago was. Thus they may not make it to DC or if they did might find themselves vastly outnumbered.

Of far more concern is the scenario described in the article, where Republican legislatures with Republican governors in key battleground states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, overturning the will of the voters and either refusing to certify the election results or worse, placing an alternate slate of electors in place.

With the Republicans in charge of the Supreme Court, they’re likely to approve such a move. Then Democrats will either have to declare for civil war or be permanently a minority party despite being in the majority of people.

But the military leadership would likely fall behind the Supreme Court’s ruling in such a scenario. I don’t know though if all would. One could expect massive violent resistance in places like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. But also California and many other places, particularly cities even in conservative states like Alabama and North Carolina. The Civil War may not be so much of an armed conflict but a descent into chaos and violence. We may see numerous assassination attempts on governors in those states. DC would likely have to shut down. Massive government workers would likely rebel, even sabotage the machinery of government. Imagine what would happen if Social Security and Medicare stopped. Wall Street would likely collapse. There may be a true occupy Wall Street scenario.

I hate to say it, but that might actually work. Trump would be powerless. The economy would collapse and he’d take the blame. Maybe the elections of 2026 would put enough Democrats back in power to block future atte,pts lie this. I don’t know.

I still see the only way out is Trump’s death.


Jeeezes! If Trump "winning" (by either hook or crook) in 2024 is any part of your best case scenario, I'll take a pass on it.

Reading through this account of how some fell afoul of the law on 1/6, and how it fucked up their lives, I wonder how well recruitment efforts are going for another probably failed coup attempt - this time one that might be met with lethal force. As the House probe gets deeper and deeper into what went down on 1/6 and how cowardly Trump behaved, it's hard for me to see people amassing like they did this year.
 
The House Jan. 6 committee wants to interview Jim Jordan : NPR
noting
2021-12-22.BGT Letter to Jordan.pdf
In a letter to Jordan, committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote, "We understand that you had at least one and possibly multiple communications with President Trump on January 6th. We would like to discuss each such communication with you in detail."

The letter also requests that Jordan provide information about any discussions he had with the Trump legal team, White House personnel or outside activists involved with planning the rallies on Jan. 6 in Washington. Thompson also cites "public reporting" about Jordan attending White House meetings about overturning the results of the 2020 election.

Thompson also mentions other topics the committee would like to discuss with Jordan. "We would also like to ask you about any discussions involving the possibility of presidential pardons for individuals involved in any aspect of January 6th or the planning for January 6th. When you were asked during a Rules Committee hearing on October 20, 2021, whether you would be willing to share with the Select Committee the information you have regarding January 6th and the events leading up to that day, you responded, 'I've said all along, "I have nothing to hide." I've been straightforward all along.' " Thompson wrote.
When earlier asked about his conversations with Trump on that day, the jacketless Congressman once responded by saying "I talk to him all the time" but with much more verbosity and hardly any more content.

Challengers want Tea Party hero Jim Jordan tossed overboard: Meet the 4th District congressional candidates - cleveland.com - from 2018
im Jordan is among the most popular conservative politicians in America. The GOP congressman from Champaign County is a House Freedom Caucus co-founder and a perpetual thorn in the side of House Republican leaders.

He's so popular that organizations like the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks have said they'd like Jordan to become Speaker of the House when current House Speaker Paul Ryan leaves Congress.

“A House with Speaker Jordan at the gavel would actually pass laws, stand on principle and cut spending,” said a statement from FreedomWorks president and CEO Adam Brandon. “Speaker Jordan would make Congress work again.”
Former speaker rips Jordan, allies as ‘knucklehead caucus’ - The Lima News - from 2017
In a speech from a private gathering in Las Vegas casino/resort, the West Chester Republican took aim at the conservatives who pushed him from office at the end of 2015. Among those was Jordan, R-Urbana, who revolted against Boehner, even though he was the first speaker from Ohio since Republican Nicholas Longworth in 1931.

Boehner was asked to explain why House Republicans did not support House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., to succeed Boehner as speaker.

“The knucklehead caucus decided they weren’t going to vote for him,” Boehner said. “Now these are the guys in the Republican Party you could call right of right. They are anarchists. They’re for nothing.”
Especially Jim Jordan, it seems.

Boehner Lambasts GOP Rep. Jim Jordan As a 'Political Terrorist'
"Jim Jordan especially, my colleague from Ohio," he replied. "I just never saw a guy who spent more time tearing things apart ― never building anything, never putting anything together."

Jordan, who was first elected to Congress in 2006, has become well-known for his verbal jousting with Democrats on both the Oversight and Judiciary Committees, along with his staunch defense of former President Donald Trump.
 
Another scary article from a respected journal.


if Trump loses, by any margin, and is unable to overturn the results through legal or political means, it seems likely Republicans will declare the election fraudulent. In 2020, the conviction—against all evidence—that Trump had the presidency stolen from him brought an insurrectionist mob to the U.S. Capitol. The mob was mostly unarmed, undoubtedly thanks to Washington D.C.'s strict gun-control laws. In 2024, that sort of mob, which will have been fed for four years on false claims of a "Big Steal" and exhortations to fight back against tyranny, will likely be far, far larger. If gun-control laws are weakened by the Supreme Court, they will also likely be heavily armed.

I am a bit skeptical of this scenario playing out. The Biden Administration wouldn’t likely be so unprepared to handle this mob. Trump won’t have the machinery of government to keep the response to minimal as he did before. A strong show of force will likely deter any such group from doing this. DC is not friendly to Trump, nor Northern Virginia. They may be as unwelcome as the mob led Beauregard 160 years ago was. Thus they may not make it to DC or if they did might find themselves vastly outnumbered.

Of far more concern is the scenario described in the article, where Republican legislatures with Republican governors in key battleground states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, overturning the will of the voters and either refusing to certify the election results or worse, placing an alternate slate of electors in place.

With the Republicans in charge of the Supreme Court, they’re likely to approve such a move. Then Democrats will either have to declare for civil war or be permanently a minority party despite being in the majority of people.

But the military leadership would likely fall behind the Supreme Court’s ruling in such a scenario. I don’t know though if all would. One could expect massive violent resistance in places like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. But also California and many other places, particularly cities even in conservative states like Alabama and North Carolina. The Civil War may not be so much of an armed conflict but a descent into chaos and violence. We may see numerous assassination attempts on governors in those states. DC would likely have to shut down. Massive government workers would likely rebel, even sabotage the machinery of government. Imagine what would happen if Social Security and Medicare stopped. Wall Street would likely collapse. There may be a true occupy Wall Street scenario.

I hate to say it, but that might actually work. Trump would be powerless. The economy would collapse and he’d take the blame. Maybe the elections of 2026 would put enough Democrats back in power to block future atte,pts lie this. I don’t know.

I still see the only way out is Trump’s death.


Jeeezes! If Trump "winning" (by either hook or crook) in 2024 is any part of your best case scenario, I'll take a pass on it.

Reading through this account of how some fell afoul of the law on 1/6, and how it fucked up their lives, I wonder how well recruitment efforts are going for another probably failed coup attempt - this time one that might be met with lethal force. As the House probe gets deeper and deeper into what went down on 1/6 and how cowardly Trump behaved, it's hard for me to see people amassing like they did this year.
Yeah, the prosecutions are also a good point. I see the coup coming from state legislators and governors as opposed to these militia types. No way will Biden or the feds put up with that shit for more than 10 minutes. They’re just all talk.

But Biden and the Democrats had better start thinking now about how to stop all of these scenarios. We need a national voting rights law that protects the vote. The courts cannot be counted on. And if it’s not done now it will be too late. Fuck the QOP!
 
The House Jan. 6 committee wants to interview Jim Jordan : NPR
noting
2021-12-22.BGT Letter to Jordan.pdf
In a letter to Jordan, committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote, "We understand that you had at least one and possibly multiple communications with President Trump on January 6th. We would like to discuss each such communication with you in detail."

The letter also requests that Jordan provide information about any discussions he had with the Trump legal team, White House personnel or outside activists involved with planning the rallies on Jan. 6 in Washington. Thompson also cites "public reporting" about Jordan attending White House meetings about overturning the results of the 2020 election.

Thompson also mentions other topics the committee would like to discuss with Jordan. "We would also like to ask you about any discussions involving the possibility of presidential pardons for individuals involved in any aspect of January 6th or the planning for January 6th. When you were asked during a Rules Committee hearing on October 20, 2021, whether you would be willing to share with the Select Committee the information you have regarding January 6th and the events leading up to that day, you responded, 'I've said all along, "I have nothing to hide." I've been straightforward all along.' " Thompson wrote.
When earlier asked about his conversations with Trump on that day, the jacketless Congressman once responded by saying "I talk to him all the time" but with much more verbosity and hardly any more content.

Challengers want Tea Party hero Jim Jordan tossed overboard: Meet the 4th District congressional candidates - cleveland.com - from 2018
im Jordan is among the most popular conservative politicians in America. The GOP congressman from Champaign County is a House Freedom Caucus co-founder and a perpetual thorn in the side of House Republican leaders.

He's so popular that organizations like the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks have said they'd like Jordan to become Speaker of the House when current House Speaker Paul Ryan leaves Congress.

“A House with Speaker Jordan at the gavel would actually pass laws, stand on principle and cut spending,” said a statement from FreedomWorks president and CEO Adam Brandon. “Speaker Jordan would make Congress work again.”
Former speaker rips Jordan, allies as ‘knucklehead caucus’ - The Lima News - from 2017
In a speech from a private gathering in Las Vegas casino/resort, the West Chester Republican took aim at the conservatives who pushed him from office at the end of 2015. Among those was Jordan, R-Urbana, who revolted against Boehner, even though he was the first speaker from Ohio since Republican Nicholas Longworth in 1931.

Boehner was asked to explain why House Republicans did not support House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., to succeed Boehner as speaker.

“The knucklehead caucus decided they weren’t going to vote for him,” Boehner said. “Now these are the guys in the Republican Party you could call right of right. They are anarchists. They’re for nothing.”
Especially Jim Jordan, it seems.

Boehner Lambasts GOP Rep. Jim Jordan As a 'Political Terrorist'
"Jim Jordan especially, my colleague from Ohio," he replied. "I just never saw a guy who spent more time tearing things apart ― never building anything, never putting anything together."

Jordan, who was first elected to Congress in 2006, has become well-known for his verbal jousting with Democrats on both the Oversight and Judiciary Committees, along with his staunch defense of former President Donald Trump.
I dare say that history will not be kind to these fuckers.
 
January 6th committee seeks potentially damning Trump video made during 'hours of silence' during riot - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
noting
Thompson says Jan. 6 committee focused on Trump’s hours of silence during attack, weighing criminal referrals - The Washington Post
Committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.) said in an interview that of particular interest is why it took so long for him to call on his supporters to stand down, an area of inquiry that includes obtaining several versions of a video Trump reportedly recorded before finally releasing a message 187 minutes after he told his supporters to march on the Capitol during the rally that preceded the attack.

“It appears that he tried to do a taping several times, but he wouldn’t say the right thing,” Thompson said, basing his statement on information the panel has gleaned from interviews with witnesses as well as media reports about that day.

Trump is rapidly moving toward a confession about his high crimes against America - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism

New report says 'evidence is mounting' for a disturbing reason the National Guard failed to act on Jan. 6 - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
noting
Crisis of Command: The Pentagon, The President, and January 6
One of the most vexing questions about Jan. 6 is why the National Guard took more than three hours to arrive at the Capitol after D.C. authorities and Capitol Police called for immediate assistance. The Pentagon’s restraint in allowing the Guard to get to the Capitol was not simply a reflection of officials’ misgivings about the deployment of military force during the summer 2020 protests, nor was it simply a concern about “optics” of having military personnel at the Capitol. Instead, evidence is mounting that the most senior defense officials did not want to send troops to the Capitol because they harbored concerns that President Donald Trump might utilize the forces’ presence in an attempt to hold onto power.

According to a report released last month, Christopher Miller, who served as acting Secretary of the Defense on Jan. 6, told the Department’s inspector general that he feared “if we put U.S. military personnel on the Capitol, I would have created the greatest Constitutional crisis probably since the Civil War.” In congressional testimony, he said he was also cognizant of “fears that the President would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner” and that “factored into my decisions regarding the appropriate and limited use of our Armed Forces to support civilian law enforcement during the Electoral College certification.”

...
Milley, according to multiple reports, “feared it was Trump’s ‘Reichstag moment,’ in which, like Adolf Hitler in 1933, he would manufacture a crisis in order to swoop in and rescue the nation from it.”

The top officials’ fears were warranted: Donald Trump, his close aides and a segment of Republican political figures had openly discussed the possibility of invoking the Insurrection Act or using the military to prevent the transfer of power on the basis of false claims that the election was “stolen.” But the Pentagon’s actions with respect to the National Guard suggest a scenario in which, on the basis of such concerns, a potentially profound crisis of command may have played out on Jan. 6.
Ryan Goodman on Twitter: "I co-authored this sweeping analysis w/@justinhendrix ..." / Twitter
I co-authored this sweeping analysis w/@justinhendrix

Bottom Line:
Pentagon restrained National Guard on #January6th concerned Trump would invoke Insurrection Act.

We include little-noticed witness interviews in recent inspector general report.

<thread>

2. Former acting defense secretary Chris Miller in IG interview:

"There was absolutely no way…I was putting U.S. military forces at the Capitol, period,” he said citing media stories alleging Trump's advisors were pushing him to declare martial law to invalidate the election.

3. In congressional testimony, former acting SecDef Miller:

"My concerns regarding the appropriate and limited use of the military in domestic matters were heightened by commentary in the media ... that advisors to the President were advocating the declaration of martial law..."

4."I was also cognizant of...fears that the President would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner"
"factored into my decisions regarding the appropriate and limited use of our Armed Forces...during the Electoral College certification"
That's a weird reason - to make it too hard for Trump to do a military coup.

 2021 United States Capitol attack - I looked in different languages, and like the English one, they had words for coup in them. The German version had "Putsch", the French one "coup d'état", the Spanish one "golpe de estado", the Russian one переворо́т (perevorót), ... The Spanish one mentioned "autogolpe", literally "self-coup", for a coup by someone already in power.
 
Trump asks Supreme Court to block release of his White House records to January 6 committee - CNNPolitics
Former President Donald Trump appealed to the Supreme Court on Thursday to block the release of documents from his White House to the House committee investigating the January 6 riot at the Capitol, escalating his effort to keep about 700 pages of records secret.

The House committee, which is charged with investigating the US Capitol attack to provide recommendations for preventing such assaults in the future, seeks the documents as it explores Trump's role in trying to overturn the election. That includes his appearance at a January 6 rally when he directed followers to go to the Capitol where lawmakers were set to certify the election results and "fight" for their county. The documents are currently held by the National Archives.

...
At issue are hundreds of documents including activity logs, schedules, speech notes and three pages of handwritten notes from then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows -- paperwork that could reveal goings-on inside the West Wing as Trump supporters gathered in Washington and then overran the US Capitol, disrupting the certification of the 2020 vote. The records could answer some of the most closely guarded facts of what happened between Trump and other high-level officials, including those under siege on Capitol Hill on January 6.
Jan. 6 investigation: Trump asks Supreme Court to keep records from House select committee investigating Capitol attack - The Washington Post
Lawyers for Trump asked the justices to put on hold a unanimous ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, which rejected his assertions of executive privilege and his request to keep secret roughly 800 pages of his papers. President Biden determined the material could be released to the committee.
That's very typical of Trump, to try to win by litigation. He didn't win in his election-fraud litigation, and from the looks of it, he is unlikely to win here.
 
Mike Lindell's greatest hits misses of 2021:

  • March 26: “All the evidence I have — everything — is going to go before the Supreme Court, and the election of 2020 is going bye-bye. … Donald Trump will be back in office in August.”
  • March 30: “I said Donald Trump will be in [the White House] in August. And I fully believe that myself: he’ll be back in.”
  • May 25: “Donald Trump … will be back in by the end of August.”
  • June 2: “These are facts: We have a clear path to pull this election down. … [On the Supreme Court,] it’ll be 9-0 — down comes the election, and in August, here comes Donald Trump.”
  • June 5: [On the August prediction] “I could be off by a month or so, I don’t know.”
  • July 4: “By the morning of August 13, it’ll be the talk of the world, going ‘Hurry up! Let’s get this election pulled down. Let’s … get these communists out, you know, [who] have taken over.’”
  • Aug. 21: “It’s Trump 2021, 100 percent: Trump 2021. This election, when it does get pulled down, there were so many down-ticket [races] affected, maybe the Supreme Court, they’ll just do a whole new election.”
  • Sept. 21: “I made a promise to this country that — with all the evidence I have — that we would get it to the Supreme Court. And I predicted they would vote 9-0 to look at the evidence. … Originally, I had hoped for August and September. … We will have this before the Supreme Court before Thanksgiving. That’s my promise to the people of this country.”
  • Sept. 24: “We’re giving everything — all the evidence I have — [to] the Supreme Court. That will be done before Thanksgiving. That’s in stone.”
  • Nov. 7: “[The Supreme Court is] going to accept it 9-0. It will require a new election across the board. … [They’ll] declare the 2020 vote void and order new elections across the board.”
  • Nov. 17: “One week from today, on Nov. 23, the states are suing the U.S. government at the Supreme Court. It’s over!”
  • Dec. 17: [On the timeline for his long-promised 9-0 Supreme Court case] “It was gonna be today; it switched out til Monday.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/12/24/worst-politics-predictions-2021-525853
 
And the FOX responseis, "How dare they rrad our emails!"
Of course, if they didn't want their messages read, they shouldn't have shared them with a White House stooge.
And the FOX responseis, "How dare they rrad our emails!"
Of course, if they didn't want their messages read, they shouldn't have shared them with a White House stooge.
Your signature is a perfect example of ignorance, Valentine.

"May we think of freedom, not as the right to do as we please, but as the opportunity to do what is right." -- Peter Marshall (1902-1949)

Lol! No, no, no, Mr. Marshall. Freedom is the right to do as we please, within the limits of the law of the state, and within the limits of natural law.

Who decides what is "right", Mr. Marshall? You? Well of course. And that presumed and delusional privilege is at the heart of your theory. But what happens if I decide that you are not capable of determining what is "right"? What happens if I or someone else determines that what you think is "right", is actually terribly, terribly wrong?

Lol!
That's a fine round of doubletalk there; be proud of it.
Mr. Marshall has made no such claims to any such privilege -- as such, the delusion is entirely your own.
But fret not -- you have the freedom to stick to that delusion for as long as it suits you.
 
From Forced Removal From Congress Over Jan. 6 Plotting Proposed by Rep. Cori Bush D-MO-01

Congresswoman Cori Bush on Twitter: "We should commemorate the 1-year-anniversary of January 6th by passing my H.Res 25 to investigate and expel the members of Congress who helped incite the violent insurrection at our Capitol." / Twitter

Congresswoman Cori Bush on Twitter: "Dear Senate,
Please add the filibuster to the list of things you're leaving behind in 2021.
Sincerely,
America" / Twitter


Cori Bush on Twitter: "Archbishop Desmond Tutu taught us that, “Your ordinary acts of love and hope point to the extraordinary promise that every human life is of inestimable value.”
We honor his legacy by leading with that love and hope every step of the way.
Rest In Power." / Twitter


Last January 11, 5 days after the attack: Congresswoman Cori Bush Introduces Resolution to Expel Members of Congress who Sought to Overturn Election and Incited Violent White Supremacist Attack on U.S. Capitol | Congresswoman Cori Bush

Here it is: H.Res.25 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Directing the Committee on Ethics to investigate, and issue a report on, whether any and all actions taken by Members of the 117th Congress who sought to overturn the 2020 Presidential election violated their oath of office to uphold the Constitution or the Rules of the House of Representatives, and should face sanction, including removal from the House of Representatives. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
It has 54 cosponsors, 47 of them original. The 7 non-original ones signed on on Jan 13.
 
Cheney cites testimony that Ivanka asked Trump to 'please stop this violence' on Jan. 6 | TheHill
Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) said Sunday that the House committee investigating Jan. 6 has received testimony that then-President Trump's daughter, Ivanka, repeatedly asked her father to intervene to stop the attack on the Capitol.

"We know his daughter — we have firsthand testimony that his daughter Ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to 'please stop this violence,'" Cheney said Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

"The committee has firsthand testimony now that he was sitting in the dining room next to the Oval Office watching the attack on television as the assault on the Capitol occurred," Cheney, who voted to impeach the former president last year, also told ABC's George Stephanopoulos.

"We know, as you know well, that the briefing room at the White House is just a mere few steps from the Oval Office. The president could have at any moment, walked those very few steps into the briefing room, gone on live television, and told his supporters who were assaulting the Capitol to stop," she added.
But he didn't. He let the attacks continue for some hours before doing so. He watched on TV and he seemed to like what he saw.
"I think that that we're in a situation where people have got to understand the danger of President Trump and the danger that he posed on that day," she said.

"This is a man who has demonstrated that he is at war with the rule of law," she added. "He's demonstrated that he's willing to blow through every guardrail of democracy, and he can never be anywhere near the Oval Office again."
 
Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "On ABC, Liz Cheney says Jan 6 committee has first-hand testimony that Trump watched assault on the Capitol on TV & resisted pleas from McCarthy & Ivanka asking he call for a stop to the violence.

Cheney adds that she thinks Trump returning to office could be the end of democracy (vid link)" / Twitter


McCarthy says Democrats using Jan. 6 as 'partisan political weapon' | TheHill
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) acknowledged the one year anniversary of the Jan. 6 attacks in a letter to his GOP colleagues on Sunday, accusing Democrats of using the events as a "partisan political weapon."

"As we have said from the start, the actions of that day were lawless and as wrong as wrong can be. Our Capitol should never be compromised and those who broke the law deserve to face legal repercussions and full accountability," McCarthy wrote in the letter.

"Unfortunately, one year later, the majority party seems no closer to answering the central question of how the Capitol was left so unprepared and what must be done to ensure it never happens again," he added. "Instead, they are using it as a partisan political weapon to further divide our country."
Typical conservative assertion of victimhood. Not long after the attacks, he kissed up to Trump in Mar-a-Lago. He refuses to do anything to counter the Big Lie about large-scale election fraud, and he refused to assist in investigating the attacks, despite Democrats' efforts to be bipartisan.
 
Capitol Officer Furious Over Mike Pence's Jan. 6 Comments After Police Saved His Life | HuffPost Latest News
“We did everything possible to prevent him [Pence] from being hanged and killed in front of his daughter and his wife. And now he’s telling us that that one day in January doesn’t mean anything. It’s pathetic,” Gonell said. “It’s a disgrace.”

Gonell was attacked by the mob on Jan. 6, 2021, and dragged by his leg. He still does not have full use of his left arm.

“I could feel myself losing oxygen and recall thinking to myself, ‘This is how I’m going to die, trampled defending this entrance,’” he recounted in emotional testimony in July before a House committee investigating the riot.

Now, he’s furious about Pence’s recent comments downplaying the significance of the day.
What did Mike Pence say?
Pence told the Christian Broadcasting Network in an interview released early this month: “I’m not going to allow the Democrats or the national media to use one tragic day in January to demean the intentions of 74 million people who stood with us in our cause.”

He added: “I’m not going to allow the Democrats to use one tragic day in January to distract attention from their failed agenda and the failed policies of the Biden Administration.”

Pence also said he believes he did the “right thing” certifying the electoral votes confirming Joe Biden’s presidential victory. “I know in my heart of hearts that on that day, we did our duty, under the Constitution,” he said.
They wanted to lynch him, and he waves that away?
 
Love how he won't let the people that lost in the election be silenced... while seemingly ignoring the will of the larger group that voted against him. Pence really is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing Biden has done up to now (or any Democrat has done since the election) has silenced people that voted for Trump.
 
Most of Pence's precious 74 million support the coup attempt that included his lynching. Most of them believe the election was stolen
 
Most of Pence's precious 74 million support the coup attempt that included his lynching. Most of them believe the election was stolen
I stil wonder what the impact would be had they truly committed the violence they espoused. And I have no doubt that they would have. Granted it would have been difficult for them to breach Pence’s security detail because they would have shot anyone trying to attack him without qualms. The shooting of Ashli Babbit shows that the rioters could have been stopped by a few well placed shots. No one went further after she was shot.

But Romney barely escaped. What would have happened had the guard not found him going in the wrong direction and they confronted him openly? He would have been a prime target having voted for impeachment. Or what if the officer who shot Babbit hadn’t and they breached the chamber with such representatives as Pelosi and AOC? If they had killed someone, would we even have this debate? It would clearly been on Trump. Would the Republicans still be so enamored with this fucking asshole? It’s only by sheer luck that they didn’t catch at least one of these folks off guard.

I suspect not much would change. The Republican Party would still be excusing what happened. It was Antifa infiltrators, because Trumper would never do something like that. They would mock the idea of holding Trump accountable because, after all, he didn’t really incite the violence and he didn’t actually kill anyone personally.
 
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