Shadowy Man
Contributor
Apparently one piece of “evidence” Giuliani was bringing up was a poll watcher who wasn’t allowed within six feet of the counters. Hmm...
People can die in coups. Not a single person in his criminal family has the balls to take that chance.
Trump’s statement today:
We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.
“Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.
“So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”
He’s betting on the Supreme Court that he’s stacked. I don’t trust them either after Bush v. Gore. Kavanaugh especially. I don’t see how exactly they can reverse the results, but damn they will try.
They won't get a chance to try, unless there's some hard evidence of widespread fraud or cheating by the Democratic campaign. And if the GOP had that evidence, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
In the absence of any evidence, a legal challenge will be dismissed in the lower courts, and will never get to the Supremes.
The courts - at every level - aren't interested in unsubstantiated claims of unspecified unlawful activity. Sure, you can pay a lawyer to take a baseless brief and start proceedings in the lower courts; But without evidence, that brief will be laughed out of court in short order.
Trump's MO is to sue everyone and everything, whenever he doesn't get his way. But in this situation, all that will achieve is to make DJT poorer, and his lawyers richer. It's not going to achieve anything else.
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.
And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.
Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.
And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.
Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.
And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.
Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
UNITED STATES — In the United States, citizens do not directly elect the president. .Instead, states appoint a number of electors equal to the number of representatives they have in Congress to the electoral college, a system that was devised in the 18th century by the founders of the United States.
Nov. 3, 2020 • States must appoint their electors to the electoral college on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November under a federal law passed by Congress in 1845.
Dec. 8, 2020 — While states aren't legally required to certify their results by this date, if they so do, they can avoid Congress getting involved and resolving a potential dispute over which candidate won a particular state's electoral college votes.
Dec.14, 2020 — On the second Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in all 50 states and the District of Columbia to formally cast their votes for president and vice president. They then send certificates of their vote to their state's chief election official (in most but not all states, this is the secretary of state), the National Archives, and the current president of the U.S. Senate.
Jan. 6, 2021 at 1 p.m. — The sitting vice president, acting as the Senate president, presides over a joint session of Congress to read aloud the certificates cast by the electors representing all 50 states and D.C. in alphabetical order to finalize the vote count.
If no members of Congress object to any of the certificates in writing, the Senate president officially certifies the selection of the president-elect and vice president-elect.
Jan. 20, 2021 at noon — The president and vice president are formally inaugurated and sworn into office. The president is sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and the vice president can be sworn in by another government official of their choosing.
After the November general election, each state appoints a slate of electors chosen by the political party of the candidate that won the state’s popular vote. On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December — Dec. 14 this year — the states’ electors formally choose the president.
Electors generally have pledged to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in their state. However, there have been 165 instances of “faithless” electors voting for someone else, most often to protest the system or because a candidate died. In 2016, Trump lost two electors and Clinton lost five, changing the electoral college outcome to 304 votes for Trump and 227 for Hillary Clinton from the expected 306 to 232 tally.
Most states have laws[FONT=var(--body-font)] on the books to either fine electors who go rogue, cancel their vote and/or replace them with someone else. States’ right to enforce electors’ votes was [/FONT]upheld by the Supreme Court[FONT=var(--body-font)], after faithless Hillary Clinton electors from [/FONT]Washington[FONT=var(--body-font)] state challenged the $1,000 fine the state leveled against them. (In a separate case, three Colorado electors who were replaced after they refused to vote for Clinton also sued and lost.)[/FONT]
[FONT=var(--body-font)]If a state tried to ignore the popular vote and choose its own slate of electors, it would be in violation of federal law and give Congress the option to override the state’s decision. According to the National Task Force on Election Crises, a group of experts on election law and voting rights, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 requires Congress to go along with a state’s electors if they were chosen based on laws established before the November election.
“A post-Election Day appointment of a state legislature’s preferred slate of electors would almost always deviate from the legal process for appointing electors established by the state prior to Election Day,” the task force said in a report. “Losing the safe harbor protection leaves Congress to decide which electors to count from a state, without mandatory deference to the preferences of either the state’s voters or legislature.”[/FONT]
We've already been down this road once, 1876. You don't need "faithless electors" is either, you get some states to provide Republican Slates or if you simply contest enough of them to drop Biden below 270.This is silliness. We've been conducting presidential elections for over 230 years. Over that time processes have been developed and tested against the shrewdest power-hungry people that exist in society. Also Framers were familiar with many issues involved in elections and they sought to frame elections so as to simplify and protect against fraudulent elections. If these don't dissuade you maybe this article will help you understand why mucking with states won't work. The elector lists have already been elected and passed to the electoral college.
This transition is unique. U.S.A. has had bad Presidents and bad Administrations before, but never before were they full-time criminals and blatant traitors like this bunch.
The only saving grace is that these criminals are unusually stupid.
This transition is unique. U.S.A. has had bad Presidents and bad Administrations before, but never before were they full-time criminals and blatant traitors like this bunch.
The only saving grace is that these criminals are unusually stupid.
Stupidity and cowardice are the salvation of the Nation. Stupidity will play out as you describe. Trump will end up being trotted out by media moguls to attract the advertisers that feed them, and will be given "Apprentice-style" scripts to deliver in order to maintain the loyalty and purchasing power of the hundred million or so Stoopids who remain enthralled. He will be an enduring PITA to any administration that follows.
In the shorter term, the cowardice of those who remain in the orbit of Trump and his Crime Family will create a spectacle over the next ten weeks that will become a legendary example of disgrace. There will be rallies - one after another after another - exalting the President's performance with mind-numbing repetition of lies and distortions, all designed to placate the anger of the enraged toddler, distracting him from knocking all the products off the shelves in the Supermarket of executive power by handing him an endless series of shiny objects that are known to absorb his flickering attention.
The embarrassment is far from over. One can hope that as falsehood morphs further into fantasy, there will be some loss of support around the fringes. But as long as there are millions of easily manipulated fools hovering over the every word of the most easily manipulated fool ever to hold executive office, there will be those who eagerly capitalize on the adoring throngs.
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.
And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.
Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?
The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom
Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?
I don't understand your question.
We were both discussing Trump's ability to cause huge and long term damage to USA interests, if he remains true to form.
The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom